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Post by thenolan on Aug 21, 2019 0:46:25 GMT
This is from obvious fans of MCU who are not dealing well with Endgame's messed up time travel story and the fall out from Fat Thor. First Class and DOFP go hand in hand, both would have lost its value without the other. DOFP was the movie that was supposed to be the last film, to tie up everything together. They are not to be separated as it looses its value.
The part of Stewart and Mcavoy speaking was sadly among the best parts in DOFP. I remember something almost similar to Endgame when Thor speaks to his mum, the only problem is, the Thor scene is downgraded because Thor's character has been destroyed by making him a full on joke, so it lacks the emotional gravity as Xavier , who was taken more seriously as a character living with trauma to Thor. The other characters meeting their past or future self or parents was actually more about having fun with their time travel heist not about real realistic adult issues of pain and regret like Xavier in DOFP meeting Xavier.
Infinity War does not have any real deep story focus for any character. The last we see of Xavier in first class was a paralyzed broken man, who started the film very differently, I can't remember much in infinity war since it was a full on action packed movie with little story or character development for anyone, The direct emotional weight is less from Infinity war to endgame to First Class to DOFP as one is very story absent.
DOFP was the next movie after X3 and Wolverine I already said DOFP works as a movie if you treat it as it should, one of the two endings of the series that started in X-Men 1. Its only stupid if I was to look at it from your wronged view. This didn't occur in the movie. The movie ends in what was supposed to be a brand new timeline where everyone is supposedly spared until we travel back to the past with the ''shock ending'', usually a good plot device for good time travel movies as good time travel stories are not supposed to be a 100% sure easy fixer. One of my biggest grip with Endgame, Even for a Marvel kids movie. Wasn't that all too easy?
Something new is hard, the movie was following the approach X-Men 1 took, in comparison to the present superhero movies of Endgame , Captain marvel, Dark Phoenix and Far from home, it is not overrated but a step above those constant badly done mcu movies that gets worse with every writing.
DOFP is regarded as a great film as it is one. The story mostly checks and the film's style shines. DOFP is what you also call a dressing down of the generic cliches of superhero movies. The superhero expected elements were an after thought, You can call DOFP a Vietnam post war civil right statement movie and it could work in that concept, that aspect of the movie works better than the obvious superhero aspects. I wish the superhero movies of 2019 did more dressing downs. I hope superhero movies can redeem itself when The Joker is out in October.
I am actually a fan of all cbm's, I see faults in all the major franchises, which I am happy to point out, but I try not to make sweeping generalisation except in jest at them, imo Fat Thor isn't bad as an idea, in exectution though it is fun and enjoyable it does lose a lot of merit due to the comedy appeal, same flaw I find with Ragnarok, Thor is IW played it great he was funny but could be serious also, had Endgame not had Thor be silly during the Dark World scenes I don't think him being fat would have been an issue, it's that Thor went back to his home when his mother, father, brother & friends were still alive and his only concern was initially to steal booze, that hurts those scenes, but a depressed and out of shape Thor speaking to his mother who reinvigorates spirits and gives him the spark to keep fighting works, would also have worked if he wasn't fat but him just being fat doesn't fuck anything up it's how his character behaved a scene earlier that does imo.
But McAvoy talking with Stewart does work on it's own as a scene, but the omg and weight of that scene, the importance stems mostly from the emotional connect we have for both performers in that role, taken as a scene in an isolated movie that scene is great, but with the backstory and meaning to it that scene becomes incredible an omg holy shit YES DAMMIT YES!! moment in the movie and franchise, remove the history remove the greater weight of it.
See you are a double talking half witted hypocrite, you are trying to shift the goal post, look at it on it's own, but take all the meaning and merit of the previous films to add to it, dispose of all the nonsense, the inconsistencies, and whatever you do don't count the future instalments which work to breaking the importance even more...no you either take it all or take none of it, taken it all and the film is a good movie that could have been great if it wasn't for stupid inconsistencies, forcing a character into a vital role they shouldn't be in due to star power and not having a clue to correctly end the film to get the true happily ever after, take none of it and it's a film that the inconsistencies go away because isolated it isn't contradicting those things, the ending works, but the weight of everything through the movie is lost, Logan freaking when he see's Striker for the first time makes no real sense, Magneto & Xavier's friendship isn't as meaningful, the relationship between Mystique and Magneto or Xavier are hollow, Mystique being the key to the sentinels works because we don't know how limited her powers truly are, but the happy ever after ending doesn't mean anything as who are these people and why do we care? the deaths of Storm, Magneto, Iceman even Colossus don't matter any more than Blink, Bishop or Sunwhatever as we don't really know who the fuck these character are to have an emotional connection to them.
First Class stands on it's own, that's the thing it doesn't need any of the other films, and FC & DOFP do NOT go hand in hand, everything in FC is meaningless due to DOFP, all the mutants we meet in FC die except Xavier, Beast, Magneto, Mystique & Havoc who doesn't actually matter to the series past FC, Magneto and Xavier don't do shit after FC until DOFP, Magneto is captured within a year and Xavier closes the school due to Vietnam, so everything they accomplish, everything they lose and everything they tried in FC does not matter, DOFP waters down FC to being a movie that does not matter except to establish the friendship between Xavier & Magneto, which isn't needed because McAvoy & Fassbender have insane chemistry together that they don't need it, it helps but it isn't quite NEEDED.
Dinklage is good but again not great due to not having enough to do imo, sure it has the excellent Quicksilver stuff but that's a few minutes and not enough to build the film on, Logan also ends in an impactful and emotional way, you can watch Logan without seeing anything else and say fuck me that's a great movie, without seeing any other X-Men film you don't get that, you barely get that if you have because the story then doesn't work properly.
As a fan of all comic movies, you should know the difference with all of them. I truly doubt your sentiment, you are spinning fat thor as a good thing. it wasn't, not even close. It was awful, a total character assassination. Only the one note MCU fans still sees fat thor as a good thing.
FC is only meaningless if you choose not to apply good sense. Two things. it was supposed to be a direct prequel to X-Men 1. Half the characters were killed to give mystique's a personal motivation of vendetta against trask and DOFP was a reflection of dealing with how and when the hopes and dreams of first class failed while trying to get it back. Its only meaningless to you as you cant fathom how movies can evolve in a less easy way.
Timeline of X-Men's original setting.
X-Men origins
First Class DOFP before wolverine meets past Charles X2. X3 The Wolverine DOFP after Wolverine meets Charles Logan
It looks like you are wrong on the timelines. Wolverine did not return to his body in The Wolverine, the body he returned to was his body in the beginning of DOFP in a brand new timeline that branched off.
DOFP only had to have 4-6 very strong performances. The drama concept does not hurt it. Remind me how many times Ledger and Finnes were around to give a good performance as the Batman villains? Both films had good scripts, usually the killer or saver in xmen movies. if the script is bad, the movie is bad. A factor MCU is going to learn soon.
From a person that is defending the monstrous fat thor, I can't barely take this to heart. I rather call it as I see it. DOFP was called a shock ending then its a cheep hollow ending,no. it was a some what good send off that still made you wonder about the consequences of time travel. That is a better ending of endgame's with Captain America. The harder you make your movies the better. Why should everything be easy and figured out?
As a fan of all comics movies, you seem pretty offended I called out how messed up MCU can sometimes be. I do the same for others. Marvel can be pretty messed up. DOFP is less messy than endgame.
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Post by dazz on Aug 21, 2019 7:41:27 GMT
I am actually a fan of all cbm's, I see faults in all the major franchises, which I am happy to point out, but I try not to make sweeping generalisation except in jest at them, imo Fat Thor isn't bad as an idea, in exectution though it is fun and enjoyable it does lose a lot of merit due to the comedy appeal, same flaw I find with Ragnarok, Thor is IW played it great he was funny but could be serious also, had Endgame not had Thor be silly during the Dark World scenes I don't think him being fat would have been an issue, it's that Thor went back to his home when his mother, father, brother & friends were still alive and his only concern was initially to steal booze, that hurts those scenes, but a depressed and out of shape Thor speaking to his mother who reinvigorates spirits and gives him the spark to keep fighting works, would also have worked if he wasn't fat but him just being fat doesn't fuck anything up it's how his character behaved a scene earlier that does imo.
But McAvoy talking with Stewart does work on it's own as a scene, but the omg and weight of that scene, the importance stems mostly from the emotional connect we have for both performers in that role, taken as a scene in an isolated movie that scene is great, but with the backstory and meaning to it that scene becomes incredible an omg holy shit YES DAMMIT YES!! moment in the movie and franchise, remove the history remove the greater weight of it.
See you are a double talking half witted hypocrite, you are trying to shift the goal post, look at it on it's own, but take all the meaning and merit of the previous films to add to it, dispose of all the nonsense, the inconsistencies, and whatever you do don't count the future instalments which work to breaking the importance even more...no you either take it all or take none of it, taken it all and the film is a good movie that could have been great if it wasn't for stupid inconsistencies, forcing a character into a vital role they shouldn't be in due to star power and not having a clue to correctly end the film to get the true happily ever after, take none of it and it's a film that the inconsistencies go away because isolated it isn't contradicting those things, the ending works, but the weight of everything through the movie is lost, Logan freaking when he see's Striker for the first time makes no real sense, Magneto & Xavier's friendship isn't as meaningful, the relationship between Mystique and Magneto or Xavier are hollow, Mystique being the key to the sentinels works because we don't know how limited her powers truly are, but the happy ever after ending doesn't mean anything as who are these people and why do we care? the deaths of Storm, Magneto, Iceman even Colossus don't matter any more than Blink, Bishop or Sunwhatever as we don't really know who the fuck these character are to have an emotional connection to them.
First Class stands on it's own, that's the thing it doesn't need any of the other films, and FC & DOFP do NOT go hand in hand, everything in FC is meaningless due to DOFP, all the mutants we meet in FC die except Xavier, Beast, Magneto, Mystique & Havoc who doesn't actually matter to the series past FC, Magneto and Xavier don't do shit after FC until DOFP, Magneto is captured within a year and Xavier closes the school due to Vietnam, so everything they accomplish, everything they lose and everything they tried in FC does not matter, DOFP waters down FC to being a movie that does not matter except to establish the friendship between Xavier & Magneto, which isn't needed because McAvoy & Fassbender have insane chemistry together that they don't need it, it helps but it isn't quite NEEDED.
Dinklage is good but again not great due to not having enough to do imo, sure it has the excellent Quicksilver stuff but that's a few minutes and not enough to build the film on, Logan also ends in an impactful and emotional way, you can watch Logan without seeing anything else and say fuck me that's a great movie, without seeing any other X-Men film you don't get that, you barely get that if you have because the story then doesn't work properly.
As a fan of all comic movies, you should know the difference with all of them. I truly doubt your sentiment, you are spinning fat thor as a good thing. it wasn't, not even close. It was awful, a total character assassination. Only the one note MCU fans still sees fat thor as a good thing.
FC is only meaningless if you choose not to apply good sense. Two things. it was supposed to be a direct prequel to X-Men 1. Half the characters were killed to give mystique's a personal motivation of vendetta against trask and DOFP was a reflection of dealing with how and when the hopes and dreams of first class failed while trying to get it back. Its only meaningless to you as you cant fathom how movies can evolve in a less easy way.
Timeline of X-Men's original setting.
X-Men origins
First Class DOFP before wolverine meets past Charles X2. X3 The Wolverine DOFP after Wolverine meets Charles Logan
It looks like you are wrong on the timelines. Wolverine did not return to his body in The Wolverine, the body he returned to was his body in the beginning of DOFP in a brand new timeline that branched off.
DOFP only had to have 4-6 very strong performances. The drama concept does not hurt it. Remind me how many times Ledger and Finnes were around to give a good performance as the Batman villains? Both films had good scripts, usually the killer or saver in xmen movies. if the script is bad, the movie is bad. A factor MCU is going to learn soon.
From a person that is defending the monstrous fat thor, I can't barely take this to heart. I rather call it as I see it. DOFP was called a shock ending then its a cheep hollow ending,no. it was a some what good send off that still made you wonder about the consequences of time travel. That is a better ending of endgame's with Captain America. The harder you make your movies the better. Why should everything be easy and figured out?
As a fan of all comics movies, you seem pretty offended I called out how messed up MCU can sometimes be. I do the same for others. Marvel can be pretty messed up. DOFP is less messy than endgame.
Learn to read you fucking idiot, I said Fat Thor isn't bad outright, the handling however undercuts the merits of things, they did make him too jokey, if they had made him simply fat but with a similar levity mixed with sadness that he had in IW it would have been better, Thor being fat itself is fine it's a visual representation of his moral and mental state, he isn't the awe inspiring god of thunder that even serious professional could help but swoon over, he's a broken man who has let his failures erode who he is, it's by making him such a joke even Rhodey feels comfortable cracking wise to mock him to his face that detract from the movie, see idea good, execution not so much.
As for FC to DOFP no it's hollow horseshit, see because Raven isn't driven to insane ends, that's Magneto, Magneto's turn despite being predictable makes sense, his anger and rage is shown earlier in the film so when he takes over the sentinels to kill anyone standing against him it makes sense, Raven ultimately isn't doing this to avenge people, she stops because Xavier stops telling her what to do, she stops because she has a choice, her entire fucking arc in this movie is basically her going FU Charles I do what I want, Xavier believes in peace so she spills blood.
The betrayal of several members of the X-Men is glossed over as is those who didn't leave, Havoc is a cameo that doesn't matter other than as a hey remember him? moment, the mutants Raven saves in the beginning aren't brought up again or matter at all, I mean did they maybe make an appearance at the school in the aftermath? could have been a cool nod, we see Toad from X1 at the school showing the changes to the timeline, that with Raven on good terms with Charles maybe she funnels people to him if they need help rather than to Magneto as soldiers, also obviously contradicts comic lore iirc because wasn't the teleporting guy from FC in the comics Nightcrawlers dad? clearly not the case here as he dies within a year of FC but Nightcrawler is a teen in Apocalypse which is set 21 years after FC, this isn't too major but it's just a sign of them wasting something, how much more interesting would it have been if Raven & Eric knew Kurt's father, but it's wasted just because they didn't want to connect DOFP & FC so they just killed off unceremoniously offscreen every character they didn't want to use, he could of wrote them out another way, but they decided why bother with a story they all just died within a year so they mean nothing to anyone aint that clever?
Where you got I don't get the X-Men timeline thing from I do not know, what I was saying was DOFP's future scenes at the end do not play like it's the new present for Future Logan, which is taking place years after the events of The Last Stand, but like it's just a happy ending erasure of Last Stand, what with every main hero character from that movie making their hey were still alive cameos, nothing having changed for any of them, they are still all at the school including the students like Rogue & Bobby still appearing as if they are teens rather than now fully formed adults, no new good guys, like I said Toad being at the school as an adult when he died in X1 would be a reflection of just how much has changed, but Jean being there still makes no sense, she had a psychotic breakdown after tapping into the deeper depths of her powers, how does stopping Sentinel's prevent this? but it all appears more like it's happening in a different time period than the time period the future was in before say in the X-verse the time of Last Stand was 2006 and the time of DOFP's future is 2021, well the future Logan awakens to looks like it's 2007 not 2021, which makes no fucking sense as DOFP obviously happens years after The Wolverine, but the Wolverine is set years after Last Stand not mere months of simply a year after, which means Logan's future should be years on from where Last Stand even if all went swimmingly left off, the future scene basically acted as a appeasement to the fans to tell everyone look Last Stand was reversed, it's not canon hurray.
Actually the script for DOFP was stupid, ok so this mutant with a ability to shapeshift but only her appearance, though she can mimic the aesthetic of having metal claws they are really just flesh and bone, we get her blood and we can create robots that can absorb and recreate mutant powers, a power absolutely unconnected to this other mutants ability, Raven being the key would work if the selling point was that she allowed them to create Sentinels similar to terminators, the perfect infiltrators so that the larger sentinel's could attack and wipe out or capture mutants, the more they caught the more powers they learned to duplicate until they caught Rogue allowing them to mimic her ability in all sentinels, Raven isn't the key in them doing this but she's the first and most crucial domino that they cannot allow to fall, but they had to make Raven super duper special because it's Jenifer Lawrence and she has to be super special, again the opening scene really doesn't matter except to introduce Striker, none of those mutants matter at all, making it meaningless as Striker could have easily been introduced another way, they saved mutants just to give Lawrence a hero moment but in story value it meant jack shit, they couldn't even keep the continuity of Logan swearing at Xavier fucking straight for Christ sake, the serum somehow healing paraplegia and switching off the X-Gene makes no sense, I mean a serum cure paraplegia caused by a gunshot but only temporarily is fucking stupid anytime anyone tries doing something like this but it also shutting down the X-Gene is just daft, but I also hated the bullshit in the animated series when Charles could walk in the savage land but lost his powers, because his powers are not connected to his paraplegic status.
Like I said DOFP isn't terrible, but it isn't great either, it's highly overrated, and your whole "it makes you wonder about the consequences of time travel" is bullshit, it doesn't at all, the movie shows the end result is everyone is happy and tralala, doesn't matter what happens in the past were all happy now, the future instalments fuck even this up as somehow the ending of DOFP seem to be a different timeline to Dark Phoenix, but how is this possible without more time travel? it's all stupid, actually doing this would have been if Logan woke up in bed see's Raven talking on the phone who comes over and kisses him before confirming a mission then we cut to Xavier in the school talking to Scott & Jean confirming the mission and that Rogue & Kurt are flying/teleporting to meet them as we speak and then talking about the school as we see mutants moving through the school including people like Toad or Pyro who were villains in the past, showing things are better but not perfect and that Raven getting Logan actually had ramifications of some sort, though again the later movies would fuck even this up.
My issue with you ragging on the MCU is as already pointed out by someone else this wasn't about the MCU, you yah single minded dingleberry couldn't not bring the MCU up, this was awhich is better Logan of DOFP, people criticised the ending of DOFP and rather than defend it you make up this idiotic it shows time travel isn't a perfect solution idiocy, that would have worked had Logan woken up in a bad place in the future, signifying he saved the future but maybe doomed himself, instead he wakes up where he was at the end of Last Stand but no one is dead all his friends are together and yay, that's the opposite to showing time travel has consequences, it actually showed time travel fixes everything, including the shit you weren't trying to fix, DOFP ends up being a messy as fuck movie with absolutely nonsensical outcomes, Raven does the right thing because Charles stops telling her what to do, Logan ends in a near idealistic future despite being "caught" still, but any connection to Raven is meaningless, there's a spine fixing and X gene curing serum out there that works despite such a thing being a breakthrough in the future despite this all happening prior to Logan altering the timeline, which makes Xavier a POS for never offering it to someone like Rogue despite using the correct dosage actually making ones powers more manageable rather than outright disabling, it's sloppy and stupid in points, carried by 5 great performers elevating the shit they were handed.
Are MCU films flawed? yeah most of them have flaws I can nitpick, some I just don't like, but I say so when I don't, like I say so when I do, and so are X-Men films especially DOFP.
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Post by thenolan on Aug 21, 2019 8:36:02 GMT
As a fan of all comic movies, you should know the difference with all of them. I truly doubt your sentiment, you are spinning fat thor as a good thing. it wasn't, not even close. It was awful, a total character assassination. Only the one note MCU fans still sees fat thor as a good thing.
FC is only meaningless if you choose not to apply good sense. Two things. it was supposed to be a direct prequel to X-Men 1. Half the characters were killed to give mystique's a personal motivation of vendetta against trask and DOFP was a reflection of dealing with how and when the hopes and dreams of first class failed while trying to get it back. Its only meaningless to you as you cant fathom how movies can evolve in a less easy way.
Timeline of X-Men's original setting.
X-Men origins
First Class DOFP before wolverine meets past Charles X2. X3 The Wolverine DOFP after Wolverine meets Charles Logan
It looks like you are wrong on the timelines. Wolverine did not return to his body in The Wolverine, the body he returned to was his body in the beginning of DOFP in a brand new timeline that branched off.
DOFP only had to have 4-6 very strong performances. The drama concept does not hurt it. Remind me how many times Ledger and Finnes were around to give a good performance as the Batman villains? Both films had good scripts, usually the killer or saver in xmen movies. if the script is bad, the movie is bad. A factor MCU is going to learn soon.
From a person that is defending the monstrous fat thor, I can't barely take this to heart. I rather call it as I see it. DOFP was called a shock ending then its a cheep hollow ending,no. it was a some what good send off that still made you wonder about the consequences of time travel. That is a better ending of endgame's with Captain America. The harder you make your movies the better. Why should everything be easy and figured out?
As a fan of all comics movies, you seem pretty offended I called out how messed up MCU can sometimes be. I do the same for others. Marvel can be pretty messed up. DOFP is less messy than endgame.
Learn to read you fucking idiot, I said Fat Thor isn't bad outright, the handling however undercuts the merits of things, they did make him too jokey, if they had made him simply fat but with a similar levity mixed with sadness that he had in IW it would have been better, Thor being fat itself is fine it's a visual representation of his moral and mental state, he isn't the awe inspiring god of thunder that even serious professional could help but swoon over, he's a broken man who has let his failures erode who he is, it's by making him such a joke even Rhodey feels comfortable cracking wise to mock him to his face that detract from the movie, see idea good, execution not so much.
As for FC to DOFP no it's hollow horseshit, see because Raven isn't driven to insane ends, that's Magneto, Magneto's turn despite being predictable makes sense, his anger and rage is shown earlier in the film so when he takes over the sentinels to kill anyone standing against him it makes sense, Raven ultimately isn't doing this to avenge people, she stops because Xavier stops telling her what to do, she stops because she has a choice, her entire fucking arc in this movie is basically her going FU Charles I do what I want, Xavier believes in peace so she spills blood.
The betrayal of several members of the X-Men is glossed over as is those who didn't leave, Havoc is a cameo that doesn't matter other than as a hey remember him? moment, the mutants Raven saves in the beginning aren't brought up again or matter at all, I mean did they maybe make an appearance at the school in the aftermath? could have been a cool nod, we see Toad from X1 at the school showing the changes to the timeline, that with Raven on good terms with Charles maybe she funnels people to him if they need help rather than to Magneto as soldiers, also obviously contradicts comic lore iirc because wasn't the teleporting guy from FC in the comics Nightcrawlers dad? clearly not the case here as he dies within a year of FC but Nightcrawler is a teen in Apocalypse which is set 21 years after FC, this isn't too major but it's just a sign of them wasting something, how much more interesting would it have been if Raven & Eric knew Kurt's father, but it's wasted just because they didn't want to connect DOFP & FC so they just killed off unceremoniously offscreen every character they didn't want to use, he could of wrote them out another way, but they decided why bother with a story they all just died within a year so they mean nothing to anyone aint that clever?
Where you got I don't get the X-Men timeline thing from I do not know, what I was saying was DOFP's future scenes at the end do not play like it's the new present for Future Logan, which is taking place years after the events of The Last Stand, but like it's just a happy ending erasure of Last Stand, what with every main hero character from that movie making their hey were still alive cameos, nothing having changed for any of them, they are still all at the school including the students like Rogue & Bobby still appearing as if they are teens rather than now fully formed adults, no new good guys, like I said Toad being at the school as an adult when he died in X1 would be a reflection of just how much has changed, but Jean being there still makes no sense, she had a psychotic breakdown after tapping into the deeper depths of her powers, how does stopping Sentinel's prevent this? but it all appears more like it's happening in a different time period than the time period the future was in before say in the X-verse the time of Last Stand was 2006 and the time of DOFP's future is 2021, well the future Logan awakens to looks like it's 2007 not 2021, which makes no fucking sense as DOFP obviously happens years after The Wolverine, but the Wolverine is set years after Last Stand not mere months of simply a year after, which means Logan's future should be years on from where Last Stand even if all went swimmingly left off, the future scene basically acted as a appeasement to the fans to tell everyone look Last Stand was reversed, it's not canon hurray.
Actually the script for DOFP was stupid, ok so this mutant with a ability to shapeshift but only her appearance, though she can mimic the aesthetic of having metal claws they are really just flesh and bone, we get her blood and we can create robots that can absorb and recreate mutant powers, a power absolutely unconnected to this other mutants ability, Raven being the key would work if the selling point was that she allowed them to create Sentinels similar to terminators, the perfect infiltrators so that the larger sentinel's could attack and wipe out or capture mutants, the more they caught the more powers they learned to duplicate until they caught Rogue allowing them to mimic her ability in all sentinels, Raven isn't the key in them doing this but she's the first and most crucial domino that they cannot allow to fall, but they had to make Raven super duper special because it's Jenifer Lawrence and she has to be super special, again the opening scene really doesn't matter except to introduce Striker, none of those mutants matter at all, making it meaningless as Striker could have easily been introduced another way, they saved mutants just to give Lawrence a hero moment but in story value it meant jack shit, they couldn't even keep the continuity of Logan swearing at Xavier fucking straight for Christ sake, the serum somehow healing paraplegia and switching off the X-Gene makes no sense, I mean a serum cure paraplegia caused by a gunshot but only temporarily is fucking stupid anytime anyone tries doing something like this but it also shutting down the X-Gene is just daft, but I also hated the bullshit in the animated series when Charles could walk in the savage land but lost his powers, because his powers are not connected to his paraplegic status.
Like I said DOFP isn't terrible, but it isn't great either, it's highly overrated, and your whole "it makes you wonder about the consequences of time travel" is bullshit, it doesn't at all, the movie shows the end result is everyone is happy and tralala, doesn't matter what happens in the past were all happy now, the future instalments fuck even this up as somehow the ending of DOFP seem to be a different timeline to Dark Phoenix, but how is this possible without more time travel? it's all stupid, actually doing this would have been if Logan woke up in bed see's Raven talking on the phone who comes over and kisses him before confirming a mission then we cut to Xavier in the school talking to Scott & Jean confirming the mission and that Rogue & Kurt are flying/teleporting to meet them as we speak and then talking about the school as we see mutants moving through the school including people like Toad or Pyro who were villains in the past, showing things are better but not perfect and that Raven getting Logan actually had ramifications of some sort, though again the later movies would fuck even this up.
My issue with you ragging on the MCU is as already pointed out by someone else this wasn't about the MCU, you yah single minded dingleberry couldn't not bring the MCU up, this was awhich is better Logan of DOFP, people criticised the ending of DOFP and rather than defend it you make up this idiotic it shows time travel isn't a perfect solution idiocy, that would have worked had Logan woken up in a bad place in the future, signifying he saved the future but maybe doomed himself, instead he wakes up where he was at the end of Last Stand but no one is dead all his friends are together and yay, that's the opposite to showing time travel has consequences, it actually showed time travel fixes everything, including the shit you weren't trying to fix, DOFP ends up being a messy as fuck movie with absolutely nonsensical outcomes, Raven does the right thing because Charles stops telling her what to do, Logan ends in a near idealistic future despite being "caught" still, but any connection to Raven is meaningless, there's a spine fixing and X gene curing serum out there that works despite such a thing being a breakthrough in the future despite this all happening prior to Logan altering the timeline, which makes Xavier a POS for never offering it to someone like Rogue despite using the correct dosage actually making ones powers more manageable rather than outright disabling, it's sloppy and stupid in points, carried by 5 great performers elevating the shit they were handed.
Are MCU films flawed? yeah most of them have flaws I can nitpick, some I just don't like, but I say so when I don't, like I say so when I do, and so are X-Men films especially DOFP
You obviously just keep repeating yourself. you are going nowhere, everything you said is not based on any real conception but a mcu fan conception of another movie that did the time travel concept better, Can you also appreciate not making a kids movie. Why cant you absorb that truthful information?
I thought Raven did the right thing because she was not a complete evil bitch not because Charles tells her. Charles could have controlled her or shut her down as Beast wanted, but he chose not too.
Everything you are saying seems to be about another alternate movie. Did MCU make their own DOFP? I don't have the time to start disconstructing more hearsay. I did not watch the Rogue cut, so Rogue is not in the movie to me.
Do drop the idiot accusations, Every movie is flawed but the movie with the less flaws with less childish easy driven narrative are harder to hate on.
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Post by dazz on Aug 21, 2019 9:40:37 GMT
Learn to read you fucking idiot, I said Fat Thor isn't bad outright, the handling however undercuts the merits of things, they did make him too jokey, if they had made him simply fat but with a similar levity mixed with sadness that he had in IW it would have been better, Thor being fat itself is fine it's a visual representation of his moral and mental state, he isn't the awe inspiring god of thunder that even serious professional could help but swoon over, he's a broken man who has let his failures erode who he is, it's by making him such a joke even Rhodey feels comfortable cracking wise to mock him to his face that detract from the movie, see idea good, execution not so much.
As for FC to DOFP no it's hollow horseshit, see because Raven isn't driven to insane ends, that's Magneto, Magneto's turn despite being predictable makes sense, his anger and rage is shown earlier in the film so when he takes over the sentinels to kill anyone standing against him it makes sense, Raven ultimately isn't doing this to avenge people, she stops because Xavier stops telling her what to do, she stops because she has a choice, her entire fucking arc in this movie is basically her going FU Charles I do what I want, Xavier believes in peace so she spills blood.
The betrayal of several members of the X-Men is glossed over as is those who didn't leave, Havoc is a cameo that doesn't matter other than as a hey remember him? moment, the mutants Raven saves in the beginning aren't brought up again or matter at all, I mean did they maybe make an appearance at the school in the aftermath? could have been a cool nod, we see Toad from X1 at the school showing the changes to the timeline, that with Raven on good terms with Charles maybe she funnels people to him if they need help rather than to Magneto as soldiers, also obviously contradicts comic lore iirc because wasn't the teleporting guy from FC in the comics Nightcrawlers dad? clearly not the case here as he dies within a year of FC but Nightcrawler is a teen in Apocalypse which is set 21 years after FC, this isn't too major but it's just a sign of them wasting something, how much more interesting would it have been if Raven & Eric knew Kurt's father, but it's wasted just because they didn't want to connect DOFP & FC so they just killed off unceremoniously offscreen every character they didn't want to use, he could of wrote them out another way, but they decided why bother with a story they all just died within a year so they mean nothing to anyone aint that clever?
Where you got I don't get the X-Men timeline thing from I do not know, what I was saying was DOFP's future scenes at the end do not play like it's the new present for Future Logan, which is taking place years after the events of The Last Stand, but like it's just a happy ending erasure of Last Stand, what with every main hero character from that movie making their hey were still alive cameos, nothing having changed for any of them, they are still all at the school including the students like Rogue & Bobby still appearing as if they are teens rather than now fully formed adults, no new good guys, like I said Toad being at the school as an adult when he died in X1 would be a reflection of just how much has changed, but Jean being there still makes no sense, she had a psychotic breakdown after tapping into the deeper depths of her powers, how does stopping Sentinel's prevent this? but it all appears more like it's happening in a different time period than the time period the future was in before say in the X-verse the time of Last Stand was 2006 and the time of DOFP's future is 2021, well the future Logan awakens to looks like it's 2007 not 2021, which makes no fucking sense as DOFP obviously happens years after The Wolverine, but the Wolverine is set years after Last Stand not mere months of simply a year after, which means Logan's future should be years on from where Last Stand even if all went swimmingly left off, the future scene basically acted as a appeasement to the fans to tell everyone look Last Stand was reversed, it's not canon hurray.
Actually the script for DOFP was stupid, ok so this mutant with a ability to shapeshift but only her appearance, though she can mimic the aesthetic of having metal claws they are really just flesh and bone, we get her blood and we can create robots that can absorb and recreate mutant powers, a power absolutely unconnected to this other mutants ability, Raven being the key would work if the selling point was that she allowed them to create Sentinels similar to terminators, the perfect infiltrators so that the larger sentinel's could attack and wipe out or capture mutants, the more they caught the more powers they learned to duplicate until they caught Rogue allowing them to mimic her ability in all sentinels, Raven isn't the key in them doing this but she's the first and most crucial domino that they cannot allow to fall, but they had to make Raven super duper special because it's Jenifer Lawrence and she has to be super special, again the opening scene really doesn't matter except to introduce Striker, none of those mutants matter at all, making it meaningless as Striker could have easily been introduced another way, they saved mutants just to give Lawrence a hero moment but in story value it meant jack shit, they couldn't even keep the continuity of Logan swearing at Xavier fucking straight for Christ sake, the serum somehow healing paraplegia and switching off the X-Gene makes no sense, I mean a serum cure paraplegia caused by a gunshot but only temporarily is fucking stupid anytime anyone tries doing something like this but it also shutting down the X-Gene is just daft, but I also hated the bullshit in the animated series when Charles could walk in the savage land but lost his powers, because his powers are not connected to his paraplegic status.
Like I said DOFP isn't terrible, but it isn't great either, it's highly overrated, and your whole "it makes you wonder about the consequences of time travel" is bullshit, it doesn't at all, the movie shows the end result is everyone is happy and tralala, doesn't matter what happens in the past were all happy now, the future instalments fuck even this up as somehow the ending of DOFP seem to be a different timeline to Dark Phoenix, but how is this possible without more time travel? it's all stupid, actually doing this would have been if Logan woke up in bed see's Raven talking on the phone who comes over and kisses him before confirming a mission then we cut to Xavier in the school talking to Scott & Jean confirming the mission and that Rogue & Kurt are flying/teleporting to meet them as we speak and then talking about the school as we see mutants moving through the school including people like Toad or Pyro who were villains in the past, showing things are better but not perfect and that Raven getting Logan actually had ramifications of some sort, though again the later movies would fuck even this up.
My issue with you ragging on the MCU is as already pointed out by someone else this wasn't about the MCU, you yah single minded dingleberry couldn't not bring the MCU up, this was awhich is better Logan of DOFP, people criticised the ending of DOFP and rather than defend it you make up this idiotic it shows time travel isn't a perfect solution idiocy, that would have worked had Logan woken up in a bad place in the future, signifying he saved the future but maybe doomed himself, instead he wakes up where he was at the end of Last Stand but no one is dead all his friends are together and yay, that's the opposite to showing time travel has consequences, it actually showed time travel fixes everything, including the shit you weren't trying to fix, DOFP ends up being a messy as fuck movie with absolutely nonsensical outcomes, Raven does the right thing because Charles stops telling her what to do, Logan ends in a near idealistic future despite being "caught" still, but any connection to Raven is meaningless, there's a spine fixing and X gene curing serum out there that works despite such a thing being a breakthrough in the future despite this all happening prior to Logan altering the timeline, which makes Xavier a POS for never offering it to someone like Rogue despite using the correct dosage actually making ones powers more manageable rather than outright disabling, it's sloppy and stupid in points, carried by 5 great performers elevating the shit they were handed.
Are MCU films flawed? yeah most of them have flaws I can nitpick, some I just don't like, but I say so when I don't, like I say so when I do, and so are X-Men films especially DOFP
You obviously just keep repeating yourself. you are going nowhere, everything you said is not based on any real conception but a mcu fan conception of another movie that did the time travel concept better, Can you also appreciate not making a kids movie. Why cant you absorb that truthful information?
I thought Raven did the right thing because she was not a complete evil bitch not because Charles tells her. Charles could have controlled her or shut her down as Beast wanted, but he chose not too.
Everything you are saying seems to be about another alternate movie. Did MCU make their own DOFP? I don't have the time to start disconstructing more hearsay. I did not watch the Rogue cut, so Rogue is not in the movie to me.
Do drop the idiot accusations, Every movie is flawed but the movie with the less flaws with less childish easy driven narrative are harder to hate on.
Raven made the choice not to kill that is right, but only after Charles stopped trying to order her not to, he begged and pleaded with her, demanded she stop and she wouldn't listen, but the moment he tells her it's her choice suddenly she doesn't want to, could Xavier have taken over her and forced her down? yes but still Raven ultimately only chooses to not kill Trask when Xavier made it clear killing him or not killing him was her choice, before she was going to do it because it's the only choice that would be hers because Xavier was telling her she HAD to let Trask live, which means Raven is ultimately only doing what she does as an act of rebellion against Charles which is fucking stupid, it wasn't about revenge or justice, that's the excuse she uses, because if that's why she was doing it then those reasons remain in the final scene and yet now they don't matter, Charles didn't reason with her, drop some knowledge or understanding on her to make her rethink her choice, he tells her what she does is up to her and that's when she decides to not kill, it's fucking dumb as shit.
And you are the one repeating yourself, you keep saying how DOFP showed the consequences of time travel, how exactly? I mean this is retarded on it's very foundation because supposedly Raven finding Logan instead of Striker is such a consequence but that's not a consequence of time travel, that's a consequence of current actions, see the consequences in time travel is the ripple effects the changes you make have, this is where Apocalypse and DP actually show this, mutants are more widely tolerated rather than openly hated, but an effect on the changes was Apocalypse being unearthed, Jean's Phoenix episode happening much earlier, her powers manifesting much earlier and in different circumstances and so on, but still what was the serious consequences of time travel in DOFP? all the good guys are alive even the ones who had previously died? dear god what a consequence...no wait that would be a benefit, what a benefit of time travel, all my dead friends aren't dead yay.
Actually what I am saying is that the stakes in the movie could make sense but they laid them out like idiots, Raven being the key in creating infiltrator sentinels would make sense, using her powers of shape shifting to hide amongst the mutants to gather info, whilst battle sentinels were called in to kill them, and then the ones in the future we see are the newest models now they caught Rogue because that makes sense, instead it's all placed on the specialness of Raven when her powers are limited, she can change form but not her scent nor her composition, she can mimic the look of Logan with claws but his are metal hers are not, so why exactly can her DNA allow sentinels to do the shit they were doing in the future scenes?
The Rogue cut somewhat alludes to Rogue being a reason why they can do this iirc but not outright, she's simply a prisoner of the sentinels but atleast it goes a little way to explaining just why these things can absorb mutant powers, but Rogue is in both films, she's in the happily ever after future, so why shoud I stop calling you an idiot if you cannot even recall this you dumb fuck? Besides the fact you cannot argue this idiotic consequences bullshit is proof enough of your idiocy.
And whilst yes the worse a movie the easier it is to pick flaws well that doesn't prove anything as picking flaws in DOFP is not difficult at all, so far the flaws are hand waving away at best questions about how the plot got where it is from previous films, a mid level shape shifter being the key to super robots with the ability to adapt to all powers and absorb them, a nonsense cure which isn't meant to be possible that also cures paraplegia some how, which also makes both character humungous cunts and morons in retrospect of the original trilogy, the big moment of the movie, the most crucial part, they KEY to the future boils down to a 40+ year old man telling a 40+ year old woman I am sorry I tried to order you about make your own choice, at which point she abandons all bloodlust and disregard for the future she has been warned about and see's sense, it has an idiotic happy ever after which makes no sense at all, the movie ultimately doesn't matter because the future we see doesn't even happen because some how they fuck that up within 2 movies, Lawrence's performance at best was mediocre at worst clearly just for the pay check...see easy fucking peasy, hence overrated because it aint a great movie, it's ok/good, Logan is king you cock nugget so just deal with it.
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Post by thenolan on Aug 21, 2019 10:41:03 GMT
You obviously just keep repeating yourself. you are going nowhere, everything you said is not based on any real conception but a mcu fan conception of another movie that did the time travel concept better, Can you also appreciate not making a kids movie. Why cant you absorb that truthful information?
I thought Raven did the right thing because she was not a complete evil bitch not because Charles tells her. Charles could have controlled her or shut her down as Beast wanted, but he chose not too.
Everything you are saying seems to be about another alternate movie. Did MCU make their own DOFP? I don't have the time to start disconstructing more hearsay. I did not watch the Rogue cut, so Rogue is not in the movie to me.
Do drop the idiot accusations, Every movie is flawed but the movie with the less flaws with less childish easy driven narrative are harder to hate on.
Raven made the choice not to kill that is right, but only after Charles stopped trying to order her not to, he begged and pleaded with her, demanded she stop and she wouldn't listen, but the moment he tells her it's her choice suddenly she doesn't want to, could Xavier have taken over her and forced her down? yes but still Raven ultimately only chooses to not kill Trask when Xavier made it clear killing him or not killing him was her choice, before she was going to do it because it's the only choice that would be hers because Xavier was telling her she HAD to let Trask live, which means Raven is ultimately only doing what she does as an act of rebellion against Charles which is fucking stupid, it wasn't about revenge or justice, that's the excuse she uses, because if that's why she was doing it then those reasons remain in the final scene and yet now they don't matter, Charles didn't reason with her, drop some knowledge or understanding on her to make her rethink her choice, he tells her what she does is up to her and that's when she decides to not kill, it's fucking dumb as shit.
I thought Raven was acting the way she did not just because of a rebellion against Charles but for the death of the others? If she is acting in rebellion against Charles that would not be fucking stupid based on the story in first class, she and charles already clashed. you tried to interpret it as hollow but somehow came up with a non existent relationship in infinity war that has no relationship done among the characters.
DOFP showed us the consequences of Time Travel. the ending was left opened. left opened enough for Logan to work either as a follow up or stand alone. I already said the movie works if you look at it as the last movie of the main oringal timeline before Logan.
The stakes of the movie was coming up with a way to stop the sentinels from killing the important people who held the keys to time travel. wolverine and kitty pryde. when storm is killed, magneto is almost killed, bobby the last person is killed and only xavier and a wounded magneto is left. that is how to get the stakes right. the sentinels were also fucking batshit scary. What happened to thanos in endgame? stakes get higher when you are very afraid of your villains. There are little stakes when the good guys get into easy battles, I almost had to laugh when I saw Wanda beating up thanos. Magneto could barely kill a sentinel in DOFP, and you want to talk about stakes?
The movie said raven's powers of basic transformation laid the ground work to create the sentinels., it didn't say the her powers were the direct reason of the sentinels fully adapting. her powers played a role. Her powers were just the first step, not the finality. You keep misquoting the movie.
You called me an idiot because I called endgame a messed up immature movie. I didn't see the rogue cut. Also isn't rogue dead in Logan if Logan is a follow up from DOFP?
Except not all the flaws you think are flaws are actually flaws. You misquote a lot already. I have provided logical explanations.
To the sentiments of the flaws. this is not a correct explanation of the movie. its only a happy ending if the movie does not end questioning the future.
Lawrence last good performance was in DOFP. I am beginning to see MCU fans loosing it when they question Lawrence performance in DOFP, considering women in superhero movies are barely noticeable or have something important thing to do. ONe actress doesn't even remember she is in MCU movies.
Your argument is a little interesting, it all sounds like a broken mcu fanboy trying to come up with silly excuses to explain away not all marvel movies seem as messed up and immature as the superhero movies trend right now.
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Post by dazz on Aug 21, 2019 12:06:36 GMT
Raven made the choice not to kill that is right, but only after Charles stopped trying to order her not to, he begged and pleaded with her, demanded she stop and she wouldn't listen, but the moment he tells her it's her choice suddenly she doesn't want to, could Xavier have taken over her and forced her down? yes but still Raven ultimately only chooses to not kill Trask when Xavier made it clear killing him or not killing him was her choice, before she was going to do it because it's the only choice that would be hers because Xavier was telling her she HAD to let Trask live, which means Raven is ultimately only doing what she does as an act of rebellion against Charles which is fucking stupid, it wasn't about revenge or justice, that's the excuse she uses, because if that's why she was doing it then those reasons remain in the final scene and yet now they don't matter, Charles didn't reason with her, drop some knowledge or understanding on her to make her rethink her choice, he tells her what she does is up to her and that's when she decides to not kill, it's fucking dumb as shit.
I thought Raven was acting the way she did not just because of a rebellion against Charles but for the death of the others? If she is acting in rebellion against Charles that would not be fucking stupid based on the story in first class, she and charles already clashed. you tried to interpret it as hollow but somehow came up with a non existent relationship in infinity war that has no relationship done among the characters.
DOFP showed us the consequences of Time Travel. the ending was left opened. left opened enough for Logan to work either as a follow up or stand alone. I already said the movie works if you look at it as the last movie of the main oringal timeline before Logan.
The stakes of the movie was coming up with a way to stop the sentinels from killing the important people who held the keys to time travel. wolverine and kitty pryde. when storm is killed, magneto is almost killed, bobby the last person is killed and only xavier and a wounded magneto is left. that is how to get the stakes right. the sentinels were also fucking batshit scary. What happened to thanos in endgame? stakes get higher when you are very afraid of your villains. There are little stakes when the good guys get into easy battles, I almost had to laugh when I saw Wanda beating up thanos. Magneto could barely kill a sentinel in DOFP, and you want to talk about stakes?
The movie said raven's powers of basic transformation laid the ground work to create the sentinels., it didn't say the her powers were the direct reason of the sentinels fully adapting. her powers played a role. Her powers were just the first step, not the finality. You keep misquoting the movie.
You called me an idiot because I called endgame a messed up immature movie. I didn't see the rogue cut. Also isn't rogue dead in Logan if Logan is a follow up from DOFP?
Except not all the flaws you think are flaws are actually flaws. You misquote a lot already. I have provided logical explanations.
To the sentiments of the flaws. this is not a correct explanation of the movie. its only a happy ending if the movie does not end questioning the future.
Lawrence last good performance was in DOFP. I am beginning to see MCU fans loosing it when they question Lawrence performance in DOFP, considering women in superhero movies are barely noticeable or hav any interesting arcs.
Your argument is a little interesting, it all sounds like a broken mcu fanboy trying to come up with silly excuses to explain away not all marvel movies seem as messed up and immature as the current superhero movies. DOFP is not one.
If you believe all that you are dumber than I thought, and I thought you were dumber than a braindead hamster licking on a battery stuck up a cats arse, you know REAL fucking dumb, to know you are even dumber than that, well Jesus Christ man how do you feed yourself? you do know not all the holes in your face are for food? right?
But keep on being you, you fucking half wit...btw that's what I called you first, a half witted hypocrite trying to shift the goal post, not an idiot, but yes you are an idiot well done, but I call you that not for bashing the MCU, I will bash or praise it whenever I feel something is worth it or not, which I do on occasion, I call you an idiot for being a simple minded, faecal mouthed flowing, unwiped butthole of a numbnutted twat, you know because you are an idiot, you are just too stupid to realise it, I know right an idiot to dumb to know he's an idiot what a pickle, anyway bye bye dumb dumb.
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Post by thenolan on Aug 21, 2019 18:37:21 GMT
I thought Raven was acting the way she did not just because of a rebellion against Charles but for the death of the others? If she is acting in rebellion against Charles that would not be fucking stupid based on the story in first class, she and charles already clashed. you tried to interpret it as hollow but somehow came up with a non existent relationship in infinity war that has no relationship done among the characters.
DOFP showed us the consequences of Time Travel. the ending was left opened. left opened enough for Logan to work either as a follow up or stand alone. I already said the movie works if you look at it as the last movie of the main oringal timeline before Logan.
The stakes of the movie was coming up with a way to stop the sentinels from killing the important people who held the keys to time travel. wolverine and kitty pryde. when storm is killed, magneto is almost killed, bobby the last person is killed and only xavier and a wounded magneto is left. that is how to get the stakes right. the sentinels were also fucking batshit scary. What happened to thanos in endgame? stakes get higher when you are very afraid of your villains. There are little stakes when the good guys get into easy battles, I almost had to laugh when I saw Wanda beating up thanos. Magneto could barely kill a sentinel in DOFP, and you want to talk about stakes?
The movie said raven's powers of basic transformation laid the ground work to create the sentinels., it didn't say the her powers were the direct reason of the sentinels fully adapting. her powers played a role. Her powers were just the first step, not the finality. You keep misquoting the movie.
You called me an idiot because I called endgame a messed up immature movie. I didn't see the rogue cut. Also isn't rogue dead in Logan if Logan is a follow up from DOFP?
Except not all the flaws you think are flaws are actually flaws. You misquote a lot already. I have provided logical explanations.
To the sentiments of the flaws. this is not a correct explanation of the movie. its only a happy ending if the movie does not end questioning the future.
Lawrence last good performance was in DOFP. I am beginning to see MCU fans loosing it when they question Lawrence performance in DOFP, considering women in superhero movies are barely noticeable or hav any interesting arcs.
Your argument is a little interesting, it all sounds like a broken mcu fanboy trying to come up with silly excuses to explain away not all marvel movies seem as messed up and immature as the current superhero movies. DOFP is not one.
If you believe all that you are dumber than I thought, and I thought you were dumber than a braindead hamster licking on a battery stuck up a cats arse, you know REAL fucking dumb, to know you are even dumber than that, well Jesus Christ man how do you feed yourself? you do know not all the holes in your face are for food? right?
But keep on being you, you fucking half wit...btw that's what I called you first, a half witted hypocrite trying to shift the goal post, not an idiot, but yes you are an idiot well done, but I call you that not for bashing the MCU, I will bash or praise it whenever I feel something is worth it or not, which I do on occasion, I call you an idiot for being a simple minded, faecal mouthed flowing, unwiped butthole of a numbnutted twat, you know because you are an idiot, you are just too stupid to realise it, I know right an idiot to dumb to know he's an idiot what a pickle, anyway bye bye dumb dumb.
Endgame. Only this time this is a game stage.
I am not going to get into too many adult conversations on IMDB 2.0. I need to find another site or Can you MCU kids grow up.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Aug 21, 2019 18:57:14 GMT
If you believe all that you are dumber than I thought, and I thought you were dumber than a braindead hamster licking on a battery stuck up a cats arse, you know REAL fucking dumb, to know you are even dumber than that, well Jesus Christ man how do you feed yourself? you do know not all the holes in your face are for food? right?
But keep on being you, you fucking half wit...btw that's what I called you first, a half witted hypocrite trying to shift the goal post, not an idiot, but yes you are an idiot well done, but I call you that not for bashing the MCU, I will bash or praise it whenever I feel something is worth it or not, which I do on occasion, I call you an idiot for being a simple minded, faecal mouthed flowing, unwiped butthole of a numbnutted twat, you know because you are an idiot, you are just too stupid to realise it, I know right an idiot to dumb to know he's an idiot what a pickle, anyway bye bye dumb dumb.
Endgame. Only this time this is a game stage.
I am not going to get into too many adult conversations on IMDB 2.0. I need to find another site or Can you MCU kids grow up. Tell me more... Tell me more... Did you get very far?
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Post by bud47 on Aug 21, 2019 19:09:54 GMT
If you believe all that you are dumber than I thought, and I thought you were dumber than a braindead hamster licking on a battery stuck up a cats arse, you know REAL fucking dumb, to know you are even dumber than that, well Jesus Christ man how do you feed yourself? you do know not all the holes in your face are for food? right?
But keep on being you, you fucking half wit...btw that's what I called you first, a half witted hypocrite trying to shift the goal post, not an idiot, but yes you are an idiot well done, but I call you that not for bashing the MCU, I will bash or praise it whenever I feel something is worth it or not, which I do on occasion, I call you an idiot for being a simple minded, faecal mouthed flowing, unwiped butthole of a numbnutted twat, you know because you are an idiot, you are just too stupid to realise it, I know right an idiot to dumb to know he's an idiot what a pickle, anyway bye bye dumb dumb.
Endgame. Only this time this is a game stage.
I am not going to get into too many adult conversations on IMDB 2.0. I need to find another site or Can you MCU kids grow up.
Who's the one that turned this into an MCU hate thread? This is the X-Men board, in a thread you started, that was meant to discuss Logan and DOFP. This had nothing to do with the MCU or Endgame. Is it really that hard for you to contain your contempt? In the short amount of time you've posted here, it's easy to see the hatred is practically coming out of your pores. Maybe find a forum that caters only to non-MCU fans? Although you're going to have a hard time finding one of those, considering they're pretty much running the show these days.
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Post by thenolan on Aug 21, 2019 20:10:04 GMT
Endgame. Only this time this is a game stage.
I am not going to get into too many adult conversations on IMDB 2.0. I need to find another site or Can you MCU kids grow up.
Who's the one that turned this into an MCU hate thread? This is the X-Men board, in a thread you started, that was meant to discuss Logan and DOFP. This had nothing to do with the MCU or Endgame. Is it really that hard for you to contain your contempt? In the short amount of time you've posted here, it's easy to see the hatred is practically coming out of your pores. It was a MCU vs Logan thread until MCU fans hard to ruin it.If I hate something, I am sadden by the mediocrity and immaturity.
MCU are running shows only because Disney owns their movies. I care more about the quality of movies that I am still yet to find in MCU as I found with DOFP and Logan or the Christopher Nolan movies.
I would rethink again about who runs the show, The Sony/Disney failed deal that has made Spiderman fans rejoice and Disney lieing about their revenues is something you should think about. I never expected MCU fans to have such shallows minds.
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Post by thenolan on Aug 21, 2019 20:11:52 GMT
Endgame. Only this time this is a game stage.
I am not going to get into too many adult conversations on IMDB 2.0. I need to find another site or Can you MCU kids grow up. Tell me more... Tell me more... Did you get very far? Not much to tell. I would miss movies like DOFP and Logan. All what MCU will do now is make dark phoenix. These current superhero movies are just terrible and insulting.
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Post by bud47 on Aug 21, 2019 20:47:30 GMT
Who's the one that turned this into an MCU hate thread? This is the X-Men board, in a thread you started, that was meant to discuss Logan and DOFP. This had nothing to do with the MCU or Endgame. Is it really that hard for you to contain your contempt? In the short amount of time you've posted here, it's easy to see the hatred is practically coming out of your pores. It was a MCU vs Logan thread until MCU fans hard to ruin it.If I hate something, I am sadden by the mediocrity and immaturity.
MCU are running shows only because Disney owns their movies. I care more about the quality of movies that I am still yet to find in MCU as I found with DOFP and Logan or the Christopher Nolan movies.
I would rethink again about who runs the show, The Sony/Disney failed deal that has made Spiderman fans rejoice and Disney lieing about their revenues is something you should think about. I never expected MCU fans to have such shallows minds.
Really? Because the title of the thread and the first post by you and the several that followed by others indicates it was about DOFP and Logan (not MCU/Endgame vs Logan/DOFP). You brought the MCU into this, thereby derailing and "ruining" your own thread. Good job, I guess.
MCU has had the most success by a large margin and currently is the king of the mountain. That's an undeniable fact. That may change, but right now, that's where things currently sit. The quality of these films is subject to one's opinions, but they've certainly had quite a bit of critical acclaim to go along with their box office success. The Spider-Man deal is still up in the air and renegotiation is still possible. Nothing is set in stone yet.
Your blanket hatred of Disney and the MCU is the epitome of a shallow mind.
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Post by bud47 on Aug 21, 2019 20:52:44 GMT
Tell me more... Tell me more... Did you get very far? Not much to tell. I would miss movies like DOFP and Logan. All what MCU will do now is make dark phoenix. These current superhero movies are just terrible and insulting. The MCU isn't responsible for Dark Phoenix. You have Fox to thank for that failure. Would you prefer more of that for the X-Men? Because that would be unfortunate.
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Post by dazz on Aug 22, 2019 11:34:13 GMT
If you believe all that you are dumber than I thought, and I thought you were dumber than a braindead hamster licking on a battery stuck up a cats arse, you know REAL fucking dumb, to know you are even dumber than that, well Jesus Christ man how do you feed yourself? you do know not all the holes in your face are for food? right?
But keep on being you, you fucking half wit...btw that's what I called you first, a half witted hypocrite trying to shift the goal post, not an idiot, but yes you are an idiot well done, but I call you that not for bashing the MCU, I will bash or praise it whenever I feel something is worth it or not, which I do on occasion, I call you an idiot for being a simple minded, faecal mouthed flowing, unwiped butthole of a numbnutted twat, you know because you are an idiot, you are just too stupid to realise it, I know right an idiot to dumb to know he's an idiot what a pickle, anyway bye bye dumb dumb.
Endgame. Only this time this is a game stage.
I am not going to get into too many adult conversations on IMDB 2.0. I need to find another site or Can you MCU kids grow up.
First line makes no sense at all, though with you Summers that's far from strange tbh.
Second line, well no YOU wont because you are not worthy of an adult conversation, because you see YOU are the simple minded childish little fool, see initially I was polite, simply voicing my opinion, which wasn't MCU praise, as I said I have admitted to faults in the MCU, what I did not do however is make blanket insulting allegations towards anything MCU, that is you, and you seem to have found that offensive, along with my refusal to perform verbal felatio on DOFP, which you took as an insult it seemed and became indignant and petty, attempting to strawman everything by simply saying I am an MCU fan quivering in my boots over Endgames "failure", when the MCU & Endgame have nothing to do with my opinion of DOFP.
See you Summers are a feeble little retard so truly insecure you cannot handle a dissenting opinion, you WANT to believe you are a intellectually superior genius but the truth is you are a vapid, shallow, petulant little child with the mind of an irradiated chimp trying to shove a 10lb barbell up it's own arse but sadly with your head so far up their already it leaves very little room.
TL:DR You are a stupid cunt not worth a mature conversation so go suck a dick, lick a clit, wank a tramp or whatever else you do I don't care, I just enjoy mocking you.
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Post by thenolan on Aug 22, 2019 22:49:44 GMT
It was a MCU vs Logan thread until MCU fans hard to ruin it.If I hate something, I am sadden by the mediocrity and immaturity.
MCU are running shows only because Disney owns their movies. I care more about the quality of movies that I am still yet to find in MCU as I found with DOFP and Logan or the Christopher Nolan movies.
I would rethink again about who runs the show, The Sony/Disney failed deal that has made Spiderman fans rejoice and Disney lieing about their revenues is something you should think about. I never expected MCU fans to have such shallows minds.
Really? Because the title of the thread and the first post by you and the several that followed by others indicates it was about DOFP and Logan (not MCU/Endgame vs Logan/DOFP). You brought the MCU into this, thereby derailing and "ruining" your own thread. Good job, I guess.
MCU has had the most success by a large margin and currently is the king of the mountain. That's an undeniable fact. That may change, but right now, that's where things currently sit. The quality of these films is subject to one's opinions, but they've certainly had quite a bit of critical acclaim to go along with their box office success. The Spider-Man deal is still up in the air and renegotiation is still possible. Nothing is set in stone yet.
Your blanket hatred of Disney and the MCU is the epitome of a shallow mind.
You think I have a shallow mind for disliking mediocre childish superhero movies? It was about DOFP and Logan, until you and dazz brought your MCU shallow minds to it. I saw the endgame vs DOFP thread already on the mcu board, you are dazz need to watch more time travel movies.
MCU is the king of the mountain of what? making mediocre comic book movies? When you have time, Watch superhero shows like Legion and The Boys to see smarter and more sophisticated superhero stories , all do take a time machine and go back to 2004 or 2005 when it was Spiderman 2 and Batman Begins to find out how to rule the mountain with respect, amazing film making quality and good art. This is not where MCU rules.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Aug 22, 2019 23:12:03 GMT
Really? Because the title of the thread and the first post by you and the several that followed by others indicates it was about DOFP and Logan (not MCU/Endgame vs Logan/DOFP). You brought the MCU into this, thereby derailing and "ruining" your own thread. Good job, I guess.
MCU has had the most success by a large margin and currently is the king of the mountain. That's an undeniable fact. That may change, but right now, that's where things currently sit. The quality of these films is subject to one's opinions, but they've certainly had quite a bit of critical acclaim to go along with their box office success. The Spider-Man deal is still up in the air and renegotiation is still possible. Nothing is set in stone yet. Your blanket hatred of Disney and the MCU is the epitome of a shallow mind.
You think I have a shallow mind for disliking mediocre childish superhero movies? It was about DOFP and Logan, until you and dazz brought your MCU shallow minds to it. I saw the endgame vs DOFP thread already on the mcu board, you are dazz need to watch more time travel movies.
MCU is the king of the mountain of what? making mediocre comic book movies? When you have time, Watch superhero shows like Legion and The Boys to see smarter and more sophisticated superhero stories , all do take a time machine and go back to 2004 or 2005 when it was Spiderman 2 and Batman Begins to find out how to rule the mountain with respect, amazing film making quality and good art. This is not where MCU rules. So sophisticated...
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Post by thenolan on Aug 22, 2019 23:12:59 GMT
Endgame. Only this time this is a game stage.
I am not going to get into too many adult conversations on IMDB 2.0. I need to find another site or Can you MCU kids grow up.
First line makes no sense at all, though with you Summers that's far from strange tbh.
Second line, well no YOU wont because you are not worthy of an adult conversation, because you see YOU are the simple minded childish little fool, see initially I was polite, simply voicing my opinion, which wasn't MCU praise, as I said I have admitted to faults in the MCU, what I did not do however is make blanket insulting allegations towards anything MCU, that is you, and you seem to have found that offensive, along with my refusal to perform verbal felatio on DOFP, which you took as an insult it seemed and became indignant and petty, attempting to strawman everything by simply saying I am an MCU fan quivering in my boots over Endgames "failure", when the MCU & Endgame have nothing to do with my opinion of DOFP.
See you Summers are a feeble little retard so truly insecure you cannot handle a dissenting opinion, you WANT to believe you are a intellectually superior genius but the truth is you are a vapid, shallow, petulant little child with the mind of an irradiated chimp trying to shove a 10lb barbell up it's own arse but sadly with your head so far up their already it leaves very little room.
TL:DR You are a stupid WAFFLE not worth a mature conversation so go suck a dick, lick a clit, wank a tramp or whatever else you do I don't care, I just enjoy mocking you.
When you are done with the childish name calling and silly insults, we can carry on a legitimate discussion. Your words are more immature than the mcu movies. This is what happens when you can't defend badly done movies anymore.
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Post by Martin Brundle - Martinfly on Aug 23, 2019 23:53:37 GMT
Logan. The DOFP ending with Mystique disguised as Stryker went absolutely nowhere. Because it was never meant to go anywhere other than saving Logan from drowning and foreshadowing that Mystique would be a good guy. It was a perfect ending. It showed us that: Mystique had become a mutant heroine, ready to save the mutant kind. Also, it showed us that Logan was going to live 10 years far from Stryker and free (1973-1983).
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Post by dazz on Aug 24, 2019 0:21:29 GMT
Because it was never meant to go anywhere other than saving Logan from drowning and foreshadowing that Mystique would be a good guy. It was a perfect ending. It showed us that: Mystique had become a mutant heroine, ready to save the mutant kind. Also, it showed us that Logan was going to live 10 years far from Stryker and free (1973-1983). I don't get what you mean by the 2nd part, also I would argue it didn't show us anything, it implied, it implied Raven would continue to help protect mutants even Logan who 15 minutes earlier was her enemy, and implied Logan may have lived a life free from the imprisonment and damage caused by Striker, but it didn't show us anything, because you can also equally say that it implies Raven had simply changed tactics, Logan would still be caught just this time by Raven and used by her instead.
That part of the ending though is fine if left ambiguous by that being the last film of the series before a full reboot, it's the happy ever after ending that is lame imo, and the follow up to Raven saving Logan in the sequels which makes that ending lame also by looking back at it.
Problem is it clearly wasn't meant to be left ambiguous because they planned on a sequel ith the apocalypse tease, which means it was dumb to have something like that left in unless you were sure you knew how you were going to connect to it in the next movie.
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Post by Agent of Chaos on Aug 24, 2019 2:16:38 GMT
Because it was never meant to go anywhere other than saving Logan from drowning and foreshadowing that Mystique would be a good guy. It was a perfect ending. It showed us that: Mystique had become a mutant heroine, ready to save the mutant kind. Also, it showed us that Logan was going to live 10 years far from Stryker and free (1973-1983). It was a perfect ending. It showed us that: Mystique had become a mutant heroine, ready to save the mutant kind. Also, it showed us that Logan was going to live 10 years far from Stryker and free (1973-1983). I don't get what you mean by the 2nd part, also I would argue it didn't show us anything, it implied, it implied Raven would continue to help protect mutants even Logan who 15 minutes earlier was her enemy, and implied Logan may have lived a life free from the imprisonment and damage caused by Striker, but it didn't show us anything, because you can also equally say that it implies Raven had simply changed tactics, Logan would still be caught just this time by Raven and used by her instead.
That part of the ending though is fine if left ambiguous by that being the last film of the series before a full reboot, it's the happy ever after ending that is lame imo, and the follow up to Raven saving Logan in the sequels which makes that ending lame also by looking back at it.
Problem is it clearly wasn't meant to be left ambiguous because they planned on a sequel ith the apocalypse tease, which means it was dumb to have something like that left in unless you were sure you knew how you were going to connect to it in the next movie.
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