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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Apr 19, 2017 18:17:15 GMT
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Post by johnblutarsky on Apr 19, 2017 18:43:39 GMT
I'm simply reading from your crazy holy book. Please explain how I am the one that's confused?
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Apr 19, 2017 19:14:18 GMT
johnblutarskyThe 10 Commandments didn't change There were always more to the Mosaic Law than the 10 Commandments.
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Post by johnblutarsky on Apr 19, 2017 19:24:12 GMT
johnblutarsky The 10 Commandments didn't change There were always more to the Mosaic Law than the 10 Commandments. According to the OT... Did Moses go up to the mountain and receive the Ten Commandments from God? Did Moses come back from the mountain, see the golden calf, etc, get mad and break the tablets (with the Ten Commandments on them)? Did Moses go back up the mountain to talk to God? Did God say that he was going to write the same commandments on the new tablets? Are the first set of Ten Commandments different from the second set of Ten Commandments? (These are all Yes/No questions). Compare what was written on the first set of tablets against the second set of tablets. I understand that there are a lot of "laws" listed AFTER the commandments were written on the tablets.
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Post by clusium on Apr 19, 2017 20:37:28 GMT
So homosexuality isn't a sin? The Church has never taught that homosexuality in & of itself is a sin: The Church taught that homosexual acts are a sin. However, keep this in mind: The Church also teaches that heterosexual acts are sinful also, in particular, when they are outside of marriage.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Apr 19, 2017 20:54:07 GMT
johnblutarskyAre you quizzing me or are you wanting to be educated? 1. Yes. He actually received the 10 Commandments prior to this but they were written down on the mountain 2. Yes, although he already knew what they were doing 3 & 4. Yes, God told him to come back up the mmountain so he could rewrite the commandments on tablets Moses made 5. No, they are identical. Nothing changed. There's nothing to compare.
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Post by captainbryce on Apr 19, 2017 21:36:47 GMT
The Church has never taught that homosexuality in & of itself is a sin: The Church taught that homosexual acts are a sin. However, keep this in mind: The Church also teaches that heterosexual acts are sinful also, in particular, when they are outside of marriage. Is Christianity based on the teachings of Christ, or the teachings of "the Church"? And if/when the teachings of the Church change (as they have with various Pope's), does that mean that the teachings of Christ have also changed?
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Post by cupcakes on Apr 19, 2017 22:39:34 GMT
tpfkar Also keep in mind that the Church provides means for heterosexuals in love to consummate without sin, but no means for gay partners. You can have any color as long as it's black.
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Post by clusium on Apr 19, 2017 23:14:24 GMT
Is Christianity based on the teachings of Christ, or the teachings of "the Church"? And if/when the teachings of the Church change (as they have with various Pope's), does that mean that the teachings of Christ have also changed? The Church is the Bride of Christ.
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Post by clusium on Apr 19, 2017 23:16:50 GMT
tpfkar Also keep in mind that the Church provides means for heterosexuals in love to consummate without sin, but no means for gay partners. You can have any color as long as it's black.Marriage has always been between a man & a woman, even way before Christianity & Judaism.
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Post by theoncomingstorm on Apr 19, 2017 23:21:43 GMT
tpfkar Also keep in mind that the Church provides means for heterosexuals in love to consummate without sin, but no means for gay partners. You can have any color as long as it's black.Marriage has always been between a man & a woman, even way before Christianity & Judaism. So now you're just going to lie. Shocking.
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Post by clusium on Apr 19, 2017 23:27:25 GMT
Marriage has always been between a man & a woman, even way before Christianity & Judaism. So now you're just going to lie. Shocking. What have I lied about? Marriage has always been between a man & a woman. Admittedly, sometimes between a man & several women....
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Apr 19, 2017 23:28:54 GMT
Yay! This is turning into a gay thread!
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Post by theoncomingstorm on Apr 19, 2017 23:30:17 GMT
So now you're just going to lie. Shocking. What have I lied about? Marriage has always been between a man & a woman. Admittedly, sometimes between a man & several women.... Repeating a lie doesn't change the fact that it's a lie. Numerous cultures throughout history have recognized gay marriage, including ancient Egypt, therefore it's a lie to say that marriage has "always" been between a man and a woman. What part of this is difficult?
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Post by clusium on Apr 19, 2017 23:32:55 GMT
What have I lied about? Marriage has always been between a man & a woman. Admittedly, sometimes between a man & several women.... Repeating a lie doesn't change the fact that it's a lie. Numerous cultures throughout history have recognized gay marriage, including ancient Egypt, therefore it's a lie to say that marriage has "always" been between a man and a woman. What part of this is difficult? There have been same-sex UNIONS. Same Sex Unions
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Post by theoncomingstorm on Apr 19, 2017 23:35:30 GMT
Repeating a lie doesn't change the fact that it's a lie. Numerous cultures throughout history have recognized gay marriage, including ancient Egypt, therefore it's a lie to say that marriage has "always" been between a man and a woman. What part of this is difficult? There have been same-sex UNIONS. Same Sex UnionsSo you're both a liar and a dumbass. "Same-sex union" is modern terminology meant to limit the rights of gay couples while pretending that "separate but equal" is actually equal. Ancient civilizations had no such concepts. Show some damn integrity for once.
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Post by clusium on Apr 19, 2017 23:43:31 GMT
So you're both a liar and a dumbass. "Same-sex union" is modern terminology meant to limit the rights of gay couples while pretending that "separate but equal" is actually equal. Ancient civilizations had no such concepts. Show some damn integrity for once. I provided a link, Moron.
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Post by theoncomingstorm on Apr 19, 2017 23:57:26 GMT
So you're both a liar and a dumbass. "Same-sex union" is modern terminology meant to limit the rights of gay couples while pretending that "separate but equal" is actually equal. Ancient civilizations had no such concepts. Show some damn integrity for once. I provided a link, Moron. Show where that link differentiates between "union" and "marriage", you semi-literate bigot. It doesn't. In fact it uses the two interchangeably. Your inability to actually comprehend the links you provide is just part of who you are. EDIT: Only the second sentence of the article you chose to link: "Various types of same-sex unions have existed, ranging from informal, unsanctioned, and temporary relationships to highly ritualized unions that have included marriage." Hmm, I wonder what those last four words mean.
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Post by captainbryce on Apr 20, 2017 0:53:34 GMT
Is Christianity based on the teachings of Christ, or the teachings of "the Church"? And if/when the teachings of the Church change (as they have with various Pope's), does that mean that the teachings of Christ have also changed? The Church is the Bride of Christ. Yeah...I don't know what that means, nor do I recognize that as an answer to my question.
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Post by captainbryce on Apr 20, 2017 0:58:09 GMT
tpfkar Also keep in mind that the Church provides means for heterosexuals in love to consummate without sin, but no means for gay partners. You can have any color as long as it's black.Marriage has always been between a man & a woman, even way before Christianity & Judaism. So then what cupcakes said is essentially correct then. The Church (and therefore by extension Christ) provided no means for gay partners to ever express or experience love? I think everyone here (perhaps except you) is already aware of the history of marriage (before and after Christianity and Judaism). The question has to do with whether or not God created gay people with the intent of NEVER allowing them to have sexual or romantic relationships of any kind, EVER.....(for their entire lives).
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