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Post by darkpast on Sept 13, 2019 6:08:41 GMT
The Force Awakens | Rogue One: A Star Wars Story (Tie)
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. . The Last Jedi | Solo: A Star Wars Story (Tie)
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Post by President Ackbarâ„¢ on Sept 13, 2019 6:49:28 GMT
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Post by Jan El Señor on Sept 13, 2019 19:54:55 GMT
R1 TFA TLJ Solo
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Post by thisguy4000 on Sept 13, 2019 21:20:34 GMT
All I know is that Rogue One is the worst, with Solo behind it.
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Post by kuatorises on Sept 13, 2019 22:37:47 GMT
-Rogue One is the best of the new movies. It's arguably the best Star Wars movie ever made. It's not light or charming like typical Star Wars, but simply awesome. A war movie in the Star Wars universe. -I think TFA and Solo are a blast. Classic Star Wars look and feel. I'd have to think hard about which one I like more. I totally avoided Solo, because the idea of someone else playing Han and Lando was unappealing to me, but caught it on a whim the last week it was out and I enjoyed the shit out of it. They are both just classic Star Wars fun.
-TLJ is easily my least favorite of the new movies, but it's still ok. Not awful, not great, but ok. I loved the Snoke surprise. The whole throne room scene was fantastic. So was Luke's final act. The movie was a little blah overall. I thought Poe Dameron was a moron - and for no real reason. He was running around like a moron. Rose and Finn sucked. The entire subplot sucked. I mean, it was Jar Jar and fart joke bad. Rey was too strong. It also entered this weird territory of "Who are we supposed to root for?" Ren is a bad guy, but Ren likes Rey. Rey HATED Ren, but suddenly wants to save him; despite hating him for killing Han and having no affiliation to him (like Luke did with Vader).
ALL Disney Star Wars movies are superior to the prequels. Lucas acolytes are weird people. I don't mean people who simply like the prequels, I mean the ones who think the prequels are some high-quality product and wrote off Star Wars the second Disney acquired it. There's no logic or rationale to that mindset.
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Post by CrepedCrusader on Sept 13, 2019 23:40:00 GMT
I like them all, but if I HAD to rank them:
TFA RO TLJ SOLO
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Post by Jan El Señor on Sept 14, 2019 0:09:30 GMT
I totally avoided Solo, because the idea of someone else playing Han and Lando was unappealing to me, but caught it on a whim the last week it was out and I enjoyed the shit out of it. It's honestly my least favorite Star Wars movie ever. It really has to do with me loving Han's EU backstory so much. I knew a movie would have to really come up with something awesome to be worth throwing out such a great established backstory. They didn't. Solo is "meh" at best and pretty much the only live-action Star Wars film not in my head-canon. It's hard to say how I'd feel about the film had these books not been the backstory for Han Solo in my head for decades....
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Post by James on Sept 15, 2019 15:26:47 GMT
TFA TLJ R1 Solo
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Post by kuatorises on Sept 21, 2019 14:00:53 GMT
I totally avoided Solo, because the idea of someone else playing Han and Lando was unappealing to me, but caught it on a whim the last week it was out and I enjoyed the shit out of it. It's honestly my least favorite Star Wars movie ever. It really has to do with me loving Han's EU backstory so much. I knew a movie would have to really come up with something awesome to be worth throwing out such a great established backstory. They didn't. Solo is "meh" at best and pretty much the only live-action Star Wars film not in my head-canon. It's hard to say how I'd feel about the film had these books not been the backstory for Han Solo in my head for decades.... I never get too attached to expanded universe stuff for that exact reason. Even when I like it, I just know it's going to be overridden one day or the original creators had nothing to do with it. That's why I used to laugh/get annoyed at that cartoon kid from IMDB. What was his name? Nice kid, but always throwing those cartoons in your face. I fucking hate when you're talking about a movie and someone drags a book, comic, or show into the mix. Fucking annoying.
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Post by Jan El Señor on Sept 21, 2019 17:02:27 GMT
I never get too attached to expanded universe stuff for that exact reason. Even when I like it, I just know it's going to be overridden one day or the original creators had nothing to do with it. That's why I used to laugh/get annoyed at that cartoon kid from IMDB. What was his name? Nice kid, but always throwing those cartoons in your face. I fucking hate when you're talking about a movie and someone drags a book, comic, or show into the mix. Fucking annoying. The cartoon is why we ended up with that stupid Maul appearance in Solo....
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Post by sdrew13163 on Sept 21, 2019 21:14:59 GMT
1. Rogue One - the action is really good and the visuals are excellent. 8/10
2. Solo - an unnecessary but fun action movie. Not bad by any means, but the story was boring. 7/10
3. TLJ - I’ve warmed to this one as of late. It gets the stuff it needs to get right to work really well (Rey is a much improved character with some likability, Kylo’s power grab and interactions with Rey were a good move towards an interesting conflict, and Finn is improved as a character as well), but the other stuff is bad. Rose is awful; Poe and Leia’s side story is dumb; the fact that Luke essentially never leaves his island at all is disappointing; and the story itself is pretty boring. It lacks the adventurous pop of the past movies. 5/10
4. TFA - I liked this in theaters, but every rewatch since then it has gone downhill. I can’t quite put my finger on it, but I guess my main gripe with the movie is that it feels like a big-budget fan film. The last time I tried to sit through it with someone who had never seen it, I was squirming in my seat until it was over. It was painful to sit through. 2/10
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Post by kuatorises on Sept 22, 2019 14:07:45 GMT
I never get too attached to expanded universe stuff for that exact reason. Even when I like it, I just know it's going to be overridden one day or the original creators had nothing to do with it. That's why I used to laugh/get annoyed at that cartoon kid from IMDB. What was his name? Nice kid, but always throwing those cartoons in your face. I fucking hate when you're talking about a movie and someone drags a book, comic, or show into the mix. Fucking annoying. The cartoon is why we ended up with that stupid Maul appearance in Solo.... Maybe the idea of it, but no movie or TV show is going to bow down to a second tier project. Like you were just mentioning with Solo. That movie was never going to follow those books. There's a hierarchy. The movies override everything. TV is slowly creepy into that territory with The Mandalorian and the future Obi Wan series. And speaking of that, do you think that's going to follow the Obi Wan storylines Marvel has put out since acquiring the comics? No. I'll be honest too, I like some of them. I'm pretty far behind, but from what I read they are solid. But do I expect a movie or TV show to adhere to them? No. Live media is the moneymaker. They can and should do what they want.
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Post by Waxer-n-boil on Sept 22, 2019 16:41:07 GMT
I never get too attached to expanded universe stuff for that exact reason. Even when I like it, I just know it's going to be overridden one day or the original creators had nothing to do with it. That's why I used to laugh/get annoyed at that cartoon kid from IMDB. What was his name? Nice kid, but always throwing those cartoons in your face. I fucking hate when you're talking about a movie and someone drags a book, comic, or show into the mix. Fucking annoying. The cartoon is why we ended up with that stupid Maul appearance in Solo.... The cartoon made it possible because it resurrected Maul. But Maul's cameo in 'Solo' still seemed forced. No pun intended. If you look at Maul's character arc through the CWAS and Rebels, it doesn't match up with his cameo. In CWAS (season 5) Maul did have dealings with the Pikes and attempted to set himself up as the head of crime syndicates. But that doesn't match the timeline of 'Solo' (which takes place after the fall of the Republic/the Empire is firmly established for quite some time).
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Post by Waxer-n-boil on Sept 22, 2019 16:46:51 GMT
The cartoon is why we ended up with that stupid Maul appearance in Solo.... Maybe the idea of it, but no movie or TV show is going to bow down to a second tier project. Like you were just mentioning with Solo. That movie was never going to follow those books. There's a hierarchy. The movies override everything. TV is slowly creepy into that territory with The Mandalorian and the future Obi Wan series. And speaking of that, do you think that's going to follow the Obi Wan storylines Marvel has put out since acquiring the comics? No. I'll be honest too, I like some of them. I'm pretty far behind, but from what I read they are solid. But do I expect a movie or TV show to adhere to them? No. Live media is the moneymaker. They can and should do what they want. Yeah, agreeing here. The return of Maul in the cartoons allowed for a canon way to have the Maul cameo. But the cameo was forced. It doesn't quite match Maul's arc in the cartoons. So it was just fan service to put Maul fans butts in the seats. And the cameo didn't add anything to the story of the movie.
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Post by Jan El Señor on Sept 22, 2019 17:58:40 GMT
Yeah, agreeing here. The return of Maul in the cartoons allowed for a canon way to have the Maul cameo. But the cameo was forced. It doesn't quite match Maul's arc in the cartoons. So it was just fan service to put Maul fans butts in the seats. And the cameo didn't add anything to the story of the movie. Definitely agree there. That scene almost single-handedly ruins the movie. Plus, they had him ignite his lightsaber for no other reason than for people to go, "Derp! A lightsaber! That's so cool!"
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Post by Jan El Señor on Sept 22, 2019 18:00:50 GMT
And speaking of that, do you think that's going to follow the Obi Wan storylines Marvel has put out since acquiring the comics? No. I'll be honest too, I like some of them. I'm pretty far behind, but from what I read they are solid. But do I expect a movie or TV show to adhere to them? No. Live media is the moneymaker. They can and should do what they want. It will be interesting to see how that plays out. Disney's claim was that after April 2014, there are no more canon "tiers." Anything released after that date (books, comics, games, etc.) is canon. So those comics, if released since then, should be, at the very least, not contradicted by the new series....
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Post by shinnickneth on Sept 22, 2019 18:49:55 GMT
It will be interesting to see how that plays out. Disney's claim was that after April 2014, there are no more canon "tiers." Anything released after that date (books, comics, games, etc.) is canon. So those comics, if released since then, should be, at the very least, not contradicted by the new series.... They can't even keep to their own established canon in these new movies: In Episode 7, Luke has left a map so he can be found. He even deemed it necessary to leave the map behind in pieces, so a person would have to spend time searching to find him (this shows a need for caution for his own life and the lives' of those close to him). In Episode 8, he doesn't want to be bothered/found by anyone. Why leave the map?! Furthermore, why leave the map in pieces and waste people's time if he refuses to aid anyone? It doesn't make sense. Meanwhile, that map that was left for "kicks and giggles" by Luke brought about the slaughter of an entire village at the start of Episode 7, put Leia/Chewbacca in danger, and indirectly got Han Solo killed. Good job, Disney Luke! For a character that is suppose to be broken by his decisions prior to 7, he sure did continue screwing up royally even afterwards, and...for no reason at all! What a useless excuse of a Jedi Rian Johnson turned him into.
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Post by Oh My Aching Ackbar-Raddus! on Sept 22, 2019 23:41:30 GMT
It will be interesting to see how that plays out. Disney's claim was that after April 2014, there are no more canon "tiers." Anything released after that date (books, comics, games, etc.) is canon. So those comics, if released since then, should be, at the very least, not contradicted by the new series.... They can't even keep to their own established canon in these new movies: In Episode 7, Luke has left a map so he can be found. He even deemed it necessary to leave the map behind in pieces, so a person would have to spend time searching to find him (this shows a need for caution for his own life and the lives' of those close to him). In Episode 8, he doesn't want to be bothered/found by anyone. Why leave the map?! Furthermore, why leave the map in pieces and waste people's time if he refuses to aid anyone? It doesn't make sense. Meanwhile, that map that was left for "kicks and giggles" by Luke brought about the slaughter of an entire village at the start of Episode 7, put Leia/Chewbacca in danger, and indirectly got Han Solo killed.  Good job, Disney Luke! For a character that is suppose to be broken by his decisions prior to 7, he sure did continue screwing up royally even afterwards, and...for no reason at all! What a useless excuse of a Jedi Rian Johnson turned him into. Rian turned Luke into Jake Skywalker. And Jake Skywalker has Alzheimer's.
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Post by Jan El Señor on Sept 22, 2019 23:43:37 GMT
In Episode 7, Luke has left a map so he can be found. He even deemed it necessary to leave the map behind in pieces, so a person would have to spend time searching to find him (this shows a need for caution for his own life and the lives' of those close to him) I don't remember it being said that Luke left the map in order to be found. Not saying there aren't issues with the new films, but that's not one I remember....
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Post by shinnickneth on Sept 23, 2019 0:04:20 GMT
I don't remember it being said that Luke left the map in order to be found. Not saying there aren't issues with the new films, but that's not one I remember.... Why else leave a map, Jan? Maps usually serve a purpose of showing how to get somewhere (as well as details/information related to the geography of a location). Episode 8 Luke wouldn't have wanted anyone knowing about any of that. He didn't give a damn about being found or taking part in the fight. He didn't even go running when he heard Han had been killed. Episode 7 Luke left part of the map with R2-D2, and the other half he gave to Lor San Tekka. Why give his location away to two of his friends? To what purpose would that serve other than to be found?
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