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Post by thenolan on Oct 9, 2019 18:44:50 GMT
Poor MCU, they are getting trashed left and right. Marvel needs to prove themselves and the only way is to start making real stand alone mature movies like the past when it was just those old xmen films , Blade and logan, Spiderman 2 ofcourse.
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Post by Caesium137 on Oct 9, 2019 18:46:38 GMT
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Post by blockbusted on Oct 9, 2019 19:03:14 GMT
those are called indie films, they never had much advertisement to begin with. It's an exaggeration. Dont blame Marvel, blame your own films Why should I blame quality films for not being able to compete with lowest-common-denominator mind candy that's relentlessly marketed? And btw, they weren't always indie films. Once upon a time, it was the mind candy that was the rarity, and adult-themed dramas that were the mainstream. And now this is where you might've revealed your true color. MCU films may not be "adult-themed dramas", but saying that they're nothing but "lowest-common-denominator mind candy" implies that you have no idea what it takes to make a quality film.
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Post by sostie on Oct 9, 2019 19:05:08 GMT
Just done some quick research. For the last ten or so years
Less films are being made?
2009 - 521 films released in US cinema 2019 - 879
Has risen steadily over each year
The smaller films do not get seen?
The numbers of films shown in 2000+ and 1000+ theatres has remained steady. It's more likely that it hasn't raised not because there are so many comic book films, but there are more films full stop
There are too many comic book/superhero films?
6 released last year and the year before, 8 in 2016. Before that between 3-6 a year since 2008
Disney are making too many comic book films
They have never released more than 3 a year, and only 3 times. The year there was 8 films they only released 2 Disney also make a lot less films than the other major studios. It's the success of their film that make them seem prolific
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Post by sostie on Oct 9, 2019 19:14:47 GMT
Poor MCU, they are getting trashed left and right. You tried to argue in the past how Scorsese was right when he the "criticised" the MCU, and seemed to think he had a valid point when taking into account his track record. So please, by all means, apply the same to Jennifer Aniston. They have proved themselves...the amount of people who continually went to see the films and the critical reaction kind of indicates they don't need to make their films any differently. Now if a little more graphic violence, or some swearing makes you think you are watching something mature and in turn gives you this odd superiority complex by all means you carry on. I pity your narrow viewing habits
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Post by blockbusted on Oct 9, 2019 19:18:25 GMT
Poor MCU, they are getting trashed left and right. You tried to argue in the past how Scorsese was right when he the "criticised" the MCU, and seemed to think he had a valid point when taking into account his track record. So please, by all means, apply the same to Jennifer Aniston. They have proved themselves...the amount of people who continually went to see the films and the critical reaction kind of indicates they don't need to make their films any differently. Now if a little more graphic violence, or some swearing makes you think you are watching something mature and in turn gives you this odd superiority complex by all means you carry on. I pity your narrow viewing habits Also, 'Blade'? I don't think that film is considered as a masterpiece from the first place.
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Post by sostie on Oct 9, 2019 19:18:41 GMT
‘You’re seeing what’s available out there and it’s just diminishing and diminishing...." You could say the same about how re-runs of friends clog up some channels
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Post by amyghost on Oct 9, 2019 20:06:44 GMT
Why should I blame quality films for not being able to compete with lowest-common-denominator mind candy that's relentlessly marketed? And btw, they weren't always indie films. Once upon a time, it was the mind candy that was the rarity, and adult-themed dramas that were the mainstream. And now this is where you might've revealed your true color. MCU films may not be "adult-themed dramas", but saying that they're nothing but "lowest-common-denominator mind candy" implies that you have no idea what it takes to make a quality film. Another attempt to persuade me that these films are some manner of high art. What, pray tell, makes you think I know nothing about what goes into a quality film because I don't worship at the feet of the latest spandex and CGI fest? Even more to the point, what makes you think that because you like these live-action cartoons, that automatically makes them 'quality films'?
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Oct 9, 2019 20:13:20 GMT
And now this is where you might've revealed your true color. MCU films may not be "adult-themed dramas", but saying that they're nothing but "lowest-common-denominator mind candy" implies that you have no idea what it takes to make a quality film. Another attempt to persuade me that these films are some manner of high art. What, pray tell, makes you think I know nothing about what goes into a quality film because I don't worship at the feet of the latest spandex and CGI fest? Even more to the point, what makes you think that because you like these live-action cartoons, that automatically makes them 'quality films'? Your bias is clear now. I don't know why you're continuing this conversation when you don't like superhero movies at all. It's been established that there are in fact more films being churned out now than ever before, they just don't get the headlines of the billion dollar earners. You don't have to like comic book movies, but you can stop pretending there aren't other options at the cinema.
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Post by amyghost on Oct 9, 2019 20:18:18 GMT
Another attempt to persuade me that these films are some manner of high art. What, pray tell, makes you think I know nothing about what goes into a quality film because I don't worship at the feet of the latest spandex and CGI fest? Even more to the point, what makes you think that because you like these live-action cartoons, that automatically makes them 'quality films'? Your bias is clear now. I don't know why you're continuing this conversation when you don't like superhero movies at all. It's been established that there are in fact more films being churned out now than ever before, they just don't get the headlines of the billion dollar earners. You don't have to like comic book movies, but you can stop pretending there aren't other options at the cinema. There is no denying the fact that the high grosses of superhero films do go a long way towards dictating what gets greenlighted in the mainstream film world, and like it or no, these films are helping to edge out production of other genres of film. Hollywood responds to profits above all else. As long as these films pull in the amounts they do, other work will continue to fall by the wayside.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Oct 9, 2019 20:20:39 GMT
Your bias is clear now. I don't know why you're continuing this conversation when you don't like superhero movies at all. It's been established that there are in fact more films being churned out now than ever before, they just don't get the headlines of the billion dollar earners. You don't have to like comic book movies, but you can stop pretending there aren't other options at the cinema. There is no denying the fact that the high grosses of superhero films do dictate what gets greenlighted in the mainstream film world, and like it or no, these films are helping to edge out production of other genres of film. No they aren't. sostie proved that already. You're free to have a negative opinion on CBMs, I take no issue with that. But you can't blame them for a nonexistent problem.
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Post by amyghost on Oct 9, 2019 20:22:14 GMT
There is no denying the fact that the high grosses of superhero films do dictate what gets greenlighted in the mainstream film world, and like it or no, these films are helping to edge out production of other genres of film. No they aren't. sostie proved that already. You're free to have a negative opinion on CBMs, I take no issue with that. But you can't blame them for a nonexistent problem. Would that the problem were nonexistent.
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thenolan
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Post by thenolan on Oct 9, 2019 20:33:22 GMT
the problem with people who are defending mcu blindly all seem to have shallow minds. they are quick to jump on high box office success, useless claim of popularity and so called critical acclaim that disney buys. these folks seem to know so little about movie making like aniston or socrsese are talking about.
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Post by blockbusted on Oct 9, 2019 21:01:52 GMT
the problem with people who are defending mcu blindly all seem to have shallow minds. they are quick to jump on high box office success, useless claim of popularity and so called critical acclaim that disney buys. these folks seem to know so little about movie making like aniston or socrsese are talking about. So why was 'The Lion King' turned out to be a critical disappointment? I need to hear this.
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thenolan
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Post by thenolan on Oct 9, 2019 21:06:39 GMT
the problem with people who are defending mcu blindly all seem to have shallow minds. they are quick to jump on high box office success, useless claim of popularity and so called critical acclaim that disney buys. these folks seem to know so little about movie making like aniston or socrsese are talking about. So why was 'The Lion King' turned out to be a critical disappointment? I need to hear this.
Lion King does not need to be a critical success, it's not a real movie. its a cash grab. the real movie came out in 1994.
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Post by blockbusted on Oct 9, 2019 21:10:50 GMT
There is no denying the fact that the high grosses of superhero films do dictate what gets greenlighted in the mainstream film world, and like it or no, these films are helping to edge out production of other genres of film. No they aren't. sostie proved that already. You're free to have a negative opinion on CBMs, I take no issue with that. But you can't blame them for a nonexistent problem. And the thing is, with screens like IMAX and Dolby becoming popular, it's quite obvious that some people (like myself) might not find a need of watching "adult-themed" drama films on big screen.
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Post by blockbusted on Oct 9, 2019 21:14:33 GMT
So why was 'The Lion King' turned out to be a critical disappointment? I need to hear this.
Lion King does not need to be a critical success, it's not a real movie. its a cash grab. the real movie came out in 1994.
Your point is that Disney is buying critical acclaim, and that can easily be disproven by mentioning several live-action Disney films that became critical disappointments like 'The. Nutcracker and the Four Realms'.
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Post by sostie on Oct 9, 2019 22:37:01 GMT
the problem with people who are defending mcu blindly all seem to have shallow minds. they are quick to jump on high box office success, useless claim of popularity If people don't like a film/franchise they stop seeing them. If they think they are shit they stop seeing them. When you are talking about a series of over 20 films, with consistent high box office I think yes it is a decent gauge that those films are popular. You'd be an idiot not to see that I just gave you the benefit of the doubt....I take it back...you ARE and idiot. Aniston, that powerhouse in cinema, I'm sure knows more about movie making...she works in film. So what. Does that make her opinion any more valid than those that disagree. And what you seem to keep on missing, neither have expressed a hate for the films themselves. Scorsese indicated he hadn't watch many if any because they were not for him. And what exactly did Aniston say....look up the actual interview Her problem isn't with just Marvel (and makes no mention of Disney) it's with films she isn't offered and all "green screen" films. I'm sure you love a lot of those films. She wants films the way she liked them...the most recent of which of the examples she gave was made in 1983! How regressive. Marvel isn't the only studio NOT making those sort of films. In fact Disney NEVER made those sort of films, so actually she is criticising all the studios. And neither said that Marvel was the worst of the lot. Scorsese talked about the MCU because he was specifically asked about the MCU. Aniston seems to not like any film with special effects..or rather thinks there are too many. And let's say Aniston's knowledge of movie making makes her have more insight. Well Samuel L Jackson disagrees with Scorsese. He's seen movie making from both side. From inside the MCU and outside the MCU he has worked with likes of Scorsese, Spielberg, Spike Lee, Tarantino, Peter Jackson. Hes's made 20 times more movies, at least than Aniston. I think his knowledge of movie making may trump Aniston. Oh, Tarantino likes MCU films as well. And finally stop acting like some expert cineaste. Just because you agree with Scorsese doesn't mean you are as knowledgeable as he is. All your talk of what is "cinema" like you are an expert. I bet your overall tastes and favourites would be criticised by someone who has, or thinks they have, better knowledge than you. Guess what, most of those that defend MCU films do not only love MCU films. They love other franchise films. They love other films. My top three is an 80s horror, a Japanese crime drama and a 50s musical. I'm not sure more than 1 MCU film would make my Top 10, but I love the films because abve all, they are great entertainment...and that is the primary objective of most films. Stop generalising that all MCU fans/defenders are as narrow minded as you actually are. Anyway, good to have you back summers8....look forward to another of your hilarious meltdowns.
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Post by Feologild Oakes on Oct 10, 2019 12:25:44 GMT
I don't think Aniston has contributed all that much to cinema herself, but I'd agree that the glut of superhero films is getting tiresome. You are right she has not, i mean the only thing she has really been in that could be said to have contributed anything is Friends. But still she has a point.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Oct 10, 2019 15:13:34 GMT
Poor MCU, they are getting trashed left and right. Marvel needs to prove themselves and the only way is to start making real stand alone mature movies like the past when it was just those old xmen films , Blade and logan, Spiderman 2 ofcourse. Anniston is not talking about the quality of Marvel movies(Where she does not cite preferences in other films of the nature or specifically speaks against Marvel Studios) she is saying that the majority of the major motion picture marketplace is made up of superhero movies and other, more original films are not given enough budget or marketing and sometimes wind up on streaming platforms like Netflix. Studios have always been in favor of commercialism and rarely take huge risks on original ideas unless they have some really high profile individuals who are involved.
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