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Post by Eva Yojimbo on Dec 4, 2019 16:46:55 GMT
OR he simply enjoys entertaining his audiences ! Radical thought ! So he does it for free? What is the average cost of a ticket to see him in concert? I wouldn't pay a dime to listen to that wreck. In that clip, he's doing exactly what Barry Gibb does now -- try to fake it. Well that's a non sequitur. The point is he can be doing it for reasons other than being "addicted to the limelight." Paul has more money than God. I'd be shocked if he's doing it for the money.
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Post by BATouttaheck on Dec 4, 2019 16:47:34 GMT
OR he simply enjoys entertaining his audiences ! Radical thought ! I wouldn't pay a dime to listen to that wreck. I'm sure he would be devastated if he were to learn of your opinion... especially since you are a noted expert on the analysis of musicality, lyrics and vocalization skills (not to mention being a musician and poet !)
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Post by Cinemachinery on Dec 4, 2019 16:47:50 GMT
Just curious. Is it a controversial question? I play guitar and ukulele. What of it? Because my first encounter with you was, oddly enough, on a thread about Paul’s bass playing. You said some stuff there that sounded really off to me, as I play bass, and it sounded like you had little idea what you were talking about. So I mentioned my points were coming from one of my instruments being the bass, and asked what you played. You said “Bass!” I figured it had been long enough that you’d forgotten. The “Wait I write poetry too! Reviewed? Yes! Did that! Glowing!” seemed a little similarly after-the-fact concocted. Made me wonder. The problem with people who do what you just did here, and what you did in that initial conversation, is that eventually the lies grow too numerous and you can’t keep track of them all. Long story short: you just make shit up as you go along. And please, for the love of your own pride, don’t try “I forgot to mention bass!” It will only look sadder than it already does.
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Post by heeeeey on Dec 4, 2019 16:50:26 GMT
I wouldn't pay a dime to listen to that wreck. I'm sure he would be devastated if he were to learn of your opinion... especially since you are a noted expert on the analysis of musicality, lyrics and vocalization skills (not to mention being a musician and poet !) Again, you're idiotically implying that one has to be a chicken to know what an egg is -- to use a metaphor.
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Post by Eva Yojimbo on Dec 4, 2019 16:50:44 GMT
Or he simply enjoys writing/playing music for its own sake. An even more radical thought! What demented human being would write/play music for fun?! Then why does he charge people to listen to him 'have fun'? Or does he do it for free these days? See above. If you can get paid for doing what you love it doesn't mean you aren't doing it for fun, and it certainly doesn't mean you're addicted to the limelight.
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Post by BATouttaheck on Dec 4, 2019 16:51:41 GMT
Eva Yojimbo You beat me to the "he does not need the $$$$ " aspect … I am guessing BUT would not be surprised if some / much of his $$$ goes quietly to charities … Sinatra used to give away $$$$$$$$$$ with the proviso that it was to be kept anonymous. heeeeey Venues, other musicians and crew need to be paid … not just the headliner.
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Post by Cinemachinery on Dec 4, 2019 16:51:57 GMT
So he does it for free? What is the average cost of a ticket to see him in concert? I wouldn't pay a dime to listen to that wreck. In that clip, he's doing exactly what Barry Gibb does now -- try to fake it. Well that's a non sequitur. The point is he can be doing it for reasons other than being "addicted to the limelight." Paul has more money than God. I'd be shocked if he's doing it for the money. Read my post above. It’s become apparent Heeey has been wasting time on topics like these by simply concocting experiences to support whatever inane statement she makes. The last time we had an exchange on the Beatles, she was a “bass player”. I fucking despise this dynamic in people. The ego that won’t let them stick to topics they actually know.
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Post by Cinemachinery on Dec 4, 2019 16:53:15 GMT
I wouldn't pay a dime to listen to that wreck. I'm sure he would be devastated if he were to learn of your opinion... especially since you are a noted expert on the analysis of musicality, lyrics and vocalization skills (not to mention being a musician and poet !) See my post above: she’s apparently a chronic liar. Caught her out.
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Post by heeeeey on Dec 4, 2019 16:53:45 GMT
I play guitar and ukulele. What of it? Because my first encounter with you was, oddly enough, on a thread about Paul’s bass playing. You said some stuff there that sounded really off to me, as I play bass, and it sounded like you had little idea what you were talking about. So I mentioned my points were coming from one of my instruments being the bass, and asked what you played. You said “Bass!” I figured it had been long enough that you’d forgotten. The “Wait I write poetry too! Reviewed? Yes! Did that! Glowing!” seemed a little similarly after-the-fact concocted. Made me wonder. The problem with people who do what you just did here, and what you did in that initial conversation, is that eventually the lies grow too numerous and you can’t keep track of them all. Long story short: you just make shit up as you go along. And please, for the love of your own pride, don’t try “I forgot to mention bass!” It will only look sadder than it already does. I used to play bass too -- key word is 'used' to. That's why I didn't mention it. And I guess Quincy Jones also is a bit off for saying the Beatles weren't very good musicians. Hey, if you think it's a stroke of genius to play the melody or chords on the bass, fine. I never said there was anything wrong with it, only that it hardly took any genius to decide to play it that way. Paul was a guitar player at first, if I'm not mistaken.
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Post by heeeeey on Dec 4, 2019 16:54:30 GMT
Then why does he charge people to listen to him 'have fun'? Or does he do it for free these days? See above. If you can get paid for doing what you love it doesn't mean you aren't doing it for fun, and it certainly doesn't mean you're addicted to the limelight. So you don't know if he's doing it for 'fun' or money then.
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Post by Cinemachinery on Dec 4, 2019 16:55:43 GMT
Because my first encounter with you was, oddly enough, on a thread about Paul’s bass playing. You said some stuff there that sounded really off to me, as I play bass, and it sounded like you had little idea what you were talking about. So I mentioned my points were coming from one of my instruments being the bass, and asked what you played. You said “Bass!” I figured it had been long enough that you’d forgotten. The “Wait I write poetry too! Reviewed? Yes! Did that! Glowing!” seemed a little similarly after-the-fact concocted. Made me wonder. The problem with people who do what you just did here, and what you did in that initial conversation, is that eventually the lies grow too numerous and you can’t keep track of them all. Long story short: you just make shit up as you go along. And please, for the love of your own pride, don’t try “I forgot to mention bass!” It will only look sadder than it already does. I used to play bass too Heeeey ... just stop. This is pathetic. And seek help: the inability to own it when caught red handed like this is beyond fucked up.
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Post by BATouttaheck on Dec 4, 2019 16:56:48 GMT
I'm sure he would be devastated if he were to learn of your opinion... especially since you are a noted expert on the analysis of musicality, lyrics and vocalization skills (not to mention being a musician and poet !) Again, you're idiotically implying that one has to be a chicken to know what an egg is -- to use a metaphor. A "metaphor" only works if it actually made at least a minimum of sense … which yours does not (if it even IS a metaphor). Read what I actually said …. it's much easier than reading between the lines to find hidden "implications".
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Post by Eva Yojimbo on Dec 4, 2019 17:04:10 GMT
Well that's a non sequitur. The point is he can be doing it for reasons other than being "addicted to the limelight." Paul has more money than God. I'd be shocked if he's doing it for the money. Read my post above. It’s become apparent Heeey has been wasting time on topics like these by simply concocting experiences to support whatever inane statement she makes. The last time we had an exchange on the Beatles, she was a “bass player”. I fucking despise this dynamic in people. The ego that won’t let them stick to topics they actually know. This is my surprised and shocked face -> FWIW, the "I wrote poetry in my teens/20s and got glowing reviews" wouldn't surprise me if it was true. Plenty of teens/20-somethings do that, and there are (or were) numerous vanity forums where amateurs would lavish praise on each other because they wanted praise too. I was a member of such a board ages ago, though mostly because it was also a good place to talk literature. However, there are also boards full of very serious writers who regularly submit stuff for publication and who will be brutally, viciously honest about whatever someone posts. 10:1 if Heeey did post her poetry to "glowing reviews" it was on one of those amateur vanity boards and NOT on one of the latter.
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Post by BATouttaheck on Dec 4, 2019 17:05:37 GMT
Cinemachinery Eva Yojimbo & & very deep breaths may help Dealing with this degree of stubbornness and an apparent need for mortification and humiliations is quite taxing !
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Post by Eva Yojimbo on Dec 4, 2019 17:05:40 GMT
See above. If you can get paid for doing what you love it doesn't mean you aren't doing it for fun, and it certainly doesn't mean you're addicted to the limelight. So you don't know if he's doing it for 'fun' or money then. If he doesn't need the money, the probability that he's doing it for fun is much higher. Why would you do something you disliked if you didn't need the money?
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Post by Cinemachinery on Dec 4, 2019 17:22:37 GMT
Read my post above. It’s become apparent Heeey has been wasting time on topics like these by simply concocting experiences to support whatever inane statement she makes. The last time we had an exchange on the Beatles, she was a “bass player”. I fucking despise this dynamic in people. The ego that won’t let them stick to topics they actually know. This is my surprised and shocked face -> FWIW, the "I wrote poetry in my teens/20s and got glowing reviews" wouldn't surprise me if it was true. Yeah, taken in single doses, these don’t seem that out there. The notion she was a bass player wasn’t exactly over the top. But if you look at her posting history, she’s a lot like Molar/Maya on RFS: qualifications and experiences always seem to sprout AFTER encountering a challenge. I think Maya had given herself seven different degrees at one point because she couldn’t remember which lies she already told. Smelled funny and I thought I’d check and, yep: one of those. Now she’s trying “Well, I USED to be a bass player...” when the conversation in which she insisted she was a bass player is less than 24 months old. She can’t stop lying.
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Post by Cinemachinery on Dec 4, 2019 17:25:01 GMT
Cinemachinery Eva Yojimbo & & very deep breaths may help Dealing with this degree of stubbornness and an apparent need for mortification and humiliations is quite taxing ! I don’t mind stubbornness. I’m stubborn in my opinions and I love a good debate on topics I enjoy. What I can’t stand is people who know fuck all about a topic and make shit up to appear as though they have some insight on it. Waste of time. The only saving grace with these people is they can NEVER remember what lie they told when.
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Post by heeeeey on Dec 4, 2019 17:31:03 GMT
Heeeey ... just stop. This is pathetic. And seek help: the inability to own it when caught red handed like this is beyond fucked up. Why should I lie? So anyone who doesn't think Paul McCartney is the best bass player in the world is lying, including Quincy Jones?
Yes, please stop. If anyone is lying that they play anything it's YOU.
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Post by Eva Yojimbo on Dec 4, 2019 17:32:22 GMT
To make this thread serious for a second, the genius of McCartney and The Beatles had nothing to do with how proficient they were as musicians (plenty of talented amateurs have more technical chops), nor how deep their lyrics were as poetry. The genius of them was in the songwriting, and how they completely and utterly transformed the genres of pop and rock music in a million different ways both great and small. Pretty much all 70s music is directly descended from the seeds of what The Beatles did. Elaborate, complex, progressive rock came from the psychedelic, conceptual experiments of Revolver, Sgt. Pepper, Magical Mystery Tour, and Abbey Road. Heavy metal and punk? Go listen to Helter Skelter and She's So Heavy. Power Pop? Go listen to the early Beatles albums. How about the notion of using the studio as an instrument? Yep, that's The Beatles (and George Martin).
But that's just talking influences, but listen to the actual songs: the variety of instrumentation, scoring and genres on, say, The White Album is astonishing. Every song sounds different, every song it's like its own unique entity. Even go back to before the revolutionary albums to Yesterday: note how the chords/melody starts on the tonic of F-major before the line "all my troubles seem so far away," which drifts up and away from "home" and traveling through the relative minor key (D-minor) in that ii-V7 progression? It's a cool little musical device that really seems to emphasize what the lyrics are saying about yesterday being so close, but the troubles seeming far away, with the underlying wistful realization (already happening emotionally in the music) that they're "here to stay."
People are, of course, free to dislike Paul and The Beatles, but you can't argue influence/importance, and it's hard to argue against such quality songwriting.
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Post by heeeeey on Dec 4, 2019 17:33:42 GMT
This is my surprised and shocked face -> FWIW, the "I wrote poetry in my teens/20s and got glowing reviews" wouldn't surprise me if it was true. Yeah, taken in single doses, these don’t seem that out there. The notion she was a bass player wasn’t exactly over the top. But if you look at her posting history, she’s a lot like Molar/Maya on RFS: qualifications and experiences always seem to sprout AFTER encountering a challenge. I think Maya had given herself seven different degrees at one point because she couldn’t remember which lies she already told. Smelled funny and I thought I’d check and, yep: one of those. Now she’s trying “Well, I USED to be a bass player...” when the conversation in which she insisted she was a bass player is less than 24 months old. She can’t stop lying. And your only retarded deduction for that is that I don't think Paul McCartney is a genius bass player.
My favorite bass player is John Paul Jones. I think he plays better than McCartney. The fact that you think someone has to like a certain bass player to be qualified in your simple mind as a 'real' bass player is beyond stupid.
One more thing, idiot -- if you hadn't played a certain instrument in years, would you still say you're a -insert instrument here- player? If I haven't played an instrument in years, like the bass, I'm not going to call myself a 'bass player'. I said I have played the bass before, but I'm not a professional bass player.
I'm done with you and your stupidity, Sherlock.
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