New rule: Lets be open minded about Climate Change...

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www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-07-11/scientists-finland-japan-man-made-climate-change-doesnt-exist-practice

The global warming lobby is nothing but a way for bigger government, more spending, and more regulation, your tax dollars and your liberties.

No need to be open minded we are already there, apart from in the minds of a few anti science conspiracy zealots in one particular heavily vested interest country, the rest of the world, Conservatives and Liberals alike have accepted the science and are moving on, hopefully in a much more (not enough) positive way.
Can't see the point in even including the wilfully stupid in the conversation anymore. May as well not invite representatives from countries that refuse to sign up to initiatives to the conventions anymore, they only come to attempt and cause discord.
Maybe time to impose tariffs on countries producing goods that create pollution, yet refuse to clear up their mess afterwards.

I feel like most people in the Netherlands and the neighbouring countries are already very aware of climate change. Nearly everyone agrees that an unprecedented climate change exists and the vast majority agrees that it is (for the most part) caused by humans. It is very difficult to make accurate predictions due to the extremely complex nature of the world's feedback mechanisms, but it doesn't take much too realize that whatever happens, the consequences will be severe. We're already feeling it now here.

Of course weather is not climate and you can't attribute a single weather event to climate change, but you can attribute the increased or decreased chance of a weather event happening to climate change over a long period of time and in that sense the weather in the Netherlands has changed drastically in the last 20 years. Long periods of cold weather almost never occur anymore, more than 10 times as many heat records are broken than cold records. The top 5 warmest years ever are all from the last 15 years and every single year since 2014 is in the top 20 warmest years. Another example is the 'Elfstedentocht' a huge national ice skating competition where people go ice skating on a route through 11 cities in the Northern part of the Netherlands. It requires at least 15 cm of ice along the entire 200 km route. In the 20th century this competition was held 15 times (roughly once every 7 years). In the 21st century the competition hasn't been held. Not even once. 15 is a bit of a small sample size, but it's still possible to model the time periods between Elfstedentochten with a normal distrubution (avg 6.29, stdev 5.72). With this model the chance of it taking at least 23 years (1997 was the last Elfstedentocht) for another competition in case the climate didn't significantly change is 0.17%.

But besides all those fancy numbers, the sea level rise already causes extreme real and tangible reinforcement plans for the dikes. I feel like many people simply don't care because they won't be the first ones affected anyways. But (while I luckily don't live in severe flood regions in Asia or the extreme drought of places like Australia) I'm kind of on the front lines in terms of sea level rise and the future really scares me in that aspect.

Anyways, luckily the country has seen an extreme swing to the pro-climate over the last few decades as we slowly start to realize just how unprecedented the consequences are going to be for our country. At this point we're kind of at a state of "we don't really care about convincing the 1% that doesn't believe it, let's just bring the other 99% together and start working". And while I'm not in favor of stopping discussion all together (science is all about keeping any viewpoint as a possibility and continuing to research), I'm happy we're finally at the point of not caring about the rest and just starting to take actions. The debate about 'is climate change real?' already ended here a while ago, now it's more about 'what can we do about it?'. An example are the new laws regarding the high concentration of nitrogen related compounds (NOx) in the country. I guess this is mainly due to the fact that there are now so many parties that want to combat climate change along the entire political spectrum that they already have a majority in the parliament.

Economic and technological changes are the factors behind the decline of coal you fucking clueless twat. And if you knew your dumb ass from a hole in the ground, you'd know that the Democrats, via the Green New Deal, are trying to help the miners with programs for early retirement assistance and alternate job training.

Typical name calling liberal.

I know economic and technological changes are the factors behind the decline of coal. But the Democrats wanted to drastically speed up coal plant closing.

Obama: "Electricity rates would necessarily skyrocket" Obama's EPA put so high restrictions on coal plants some of them just closed up. If you can't see the Dems hated coal then you are the clueless twat.

I'm sure you forgot this.

Hillary: “We're going to put a lot of coal miners and coal companies out of business.”

Of course they do, but if a particular country is responsible for a quarter of the worlds pollution then refuse to sign up to protocols to address the problem they need to be bought to book for it.

And that, moron, is why the Green New Deal has financing for job training and early retirement specifically targeting coal miners who lose jobs.


You must LOVE being completely uninformed!