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Post by dazz on Jan 15, 2020 13:35:15 GMT
All in all depends, Thor, Dr Strange, Scarlet Witch and Cap Marvel could possibly put up a fight if they worked together well, if you add the infinity stones then yes, remember the GOTG managed to use one to disintegrate Ronan, do that to Buu and he as dead as anyone else, and the 4 Avengers I initially mentioned haven't really hit their ceilings but we have seen how powerful they can be when in shape and mightily pissed off.
But it's still a slim chance, if Buu could absorb any of those 4 avengers or get his hand on any of the stones then yeah the good guys are knackered, and this is true for I think every live action superhero ever, even The Phoenix wouldn't be able to last too long against Buu, the comic versions would stand a far greater chance, but you have to scale back when adapting to live action TV, Buu on the other hand is a villain when Toriyama got bored and was bordering on turning DB back into a gag manga so he's OP out the ass.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Jan 15, 2020 18:17:15 GMT
In the case of Thor, Doctor Strange, The Hulk, Captain Marvel, Scarlet Witch, and Vision - Yes. They could stop Vegeta and Nappa. At that point in Dragon Ball, Vegeta - while still fairly strong - was not as emotionally stable, as wise, or as experienced in magic and scientific understanding as he'd be later down the road. Not to say he wouldn't pose a threat, but he'd be easier to handle for the much more stronger and fantastical members of the team. Nappa wouldn't be a walk in the park either, but his intelligence is far inferior to Vegeta's and he only cared to use brute force head-on instead of reading the environment more carefully. Regarding transformations to Oozaru Ant-Man can turn into Giant-Man. Raditz would pose a good fight no doubt, but ultimately would lose. Frieza could be wiped out with the infinity gauntlet, without that no they wouldn't. I suggest you read more Marvel comics. Thanos in the movies wasn't even nearly comparable to someone like Raditz. Piccolo could blow up a moon like it was nothing but when he blasted Raditz he didn't budge from the spot and he's nothing compared to Nappa. People like Hulk and Thor are strong but they aren't fast, not in the same way as Nappa so they couldn't really even hit him. Nappa is someone that can just casually nuke an entire landmass and stand in the middle of his own explosion and not be too fussed by it. Vegeta was just going to destroy the whole Earth at one point. He has more power than an Infinity Stone just as he is. Captain Marvels abilities are closest to what you'd get in DBZ but she can't destroy a planet. Thanos with the infinity gauntlet can teleport anywhere he'd like, destroy planets, manipulate reality, and snap people out of the physical world and to the astral plane. But he's not an Avenger so the debate on how well he'd fair up against Dragon Ball characters is irrelevant to discussion. Nappa is a brute and of slightly below average intelligence( at best) he can be easily manipulated by magic and defeated by team work, he would stand little chance against Hulk, Thor,(Given only the worthy can lift his hammer he can toss it at Nappa and he'd be stuck to the ground), Blue Marvel, Beta Ray Bill, Nova, and Captain Marvel at their peak. Again, read more Marvel comics. Thor, The Hulk, Nova, Blue Marvel, and the Silver Surfer can destroy whole planets with enough force, Captain Marvel can actually *move* planets with enough force. Vegeta on the other hand at that point in the Dragon Ball timeline couldn't destroy the Earth whole(And no, that episode where he and Nappa stop by a bug planet does not count as it is not considered canon) and knew not enough of the capabilities of his abilities, hence why in other instances his Galick Gun has little impact.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Jan 15, 2020 18:18:10 GMT
Lmao you know he cant read, stop teasing the moron. Reading is for kids, not mature enough You deserve a million dollars.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Jan 15, 2020 18:20:53 GMT
Yes DBZ had insane power character level but hey remember the history of trunks saga, so much better than Endgame. You already shared your opinion earlier in the thread, genius. And what the heck does the Trunks saga have anything to do with Endgame? Also, for someone who claims to be to well versed in cinema and literature at their best and most influential...Why are you fanboying over Dragon Ball?
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Post by miike80 on Jan 15, 2020 18:25:52 GMT
Yes DBZ had insane power character level but hey remember the history of trunks saga, so much better than Endgame. You already shared your opinion earlier in the thread, genius. And what the heck does the Trunks saga have anything to do with Endgame? Also, for someone who claims to be to well versed in cinema and literature at their best and most influential...Why are you fanboying over Dragon Ball? Somehow DBZ is not for kids in his mind
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Post by kratos on Jan 15, 2020 19:38:45 GMT
Thanos with the infinity gauntlet can teleport anywhere he'd like, destroy planets, manipulate reality, and snap people out of the physical world and to the astral plane. But he's not an Avenger so the debate on how well he'd fair up against Dragon Ball characters is irrelevant to discussion. Nappa is a brute and of slightly below average intelligence( at best) he can be easily manipulated by magic and defeated by team work, he would stand little chance against Hulk, Thor,(Given only the worthy can lift his hammer he can toss it at Nappa and he'd be stuck to the ground), Blue Marvel, Beta Ray Bill, Nova, and Captain Marvel at their peak. Again, read more Marvel comics. Thor, The Hulk, Nova, Blue Marvel, and the Silver Surfer can destroy whole planets with enough force, Captain Marvel can actually *move* planets with enough force. Vegeta on the other hand at that point in the Dragon Ball timeline couldn't destroy the Earth whole(And no, that episode where he and Nappa stop by a bug planet does not count as it is not considered canon) and knew not enough of the capabilities of his abilities, hence why in other instances his Galick Gun has little impact. Are you talking about the comics because I was just talking about the movies. I don't know how you can day he'd stand little chance against the Hulk. If someone like Raditz can withstand a moon destroying attack dead on and not flinch and Nappa is far more durable then what could Hulk even do against that? If Nappa were to punch Raditz that would hurt him. Essentially his and Vegeta's punches would have more force behind them than however many tens of thousands of Nukes it would take to destroy the Moon. Hulk also isn't fast and Nappa is like lightning. Thor himself isn't fast either, even in the comic he couldn't hit Wolverine and he's also like a fast human. And I don't know what you mean by him not being able to destroy the planet whole. He was going to blow up Earth if it wasn't for Goku overpowering him
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2020 19:50:04 GMT
All those for one guy? Jesus. Must be some guy! He looks like Kirby from Nintendo on steroids. Pretty much, yes. Kirby is a good description of him. lol He's pretty much a magic piece of gum that takes on the properties of whoever he absorbs and continually evolves. He can also change people into objects, but chooses candy to eat them (so he can absorb them). That pic of him with the orange and blue shirts is when he absorbed the character Gohan. Sounds pretty dangerous. The Avengers, X-Men and FF don't have a single vote that say they can take him. Damn.
That's a crazy superpower too! Turning people into things he can eat (among other things). The first picture's really cute but it's kind of the stuff of nightmares. The look on his face in the last pic says he needs to be stopped immediately with extreme prejudice.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Jan 15, 2020 20:15:15 GMT
Thanos with the infinity gauntlet can teleport anywhere he'd like, destroy planets, manipulate reality, and snap people out of the physical world and to the astral plane. But he's not an Avenger so the debate on how well he'd fair up against Dragon Ball characters is irrelevant to discussion. Nappa is a brute and of slightly below average intelligence( at best) he can be easily manipulated by magic and defeated by team work, he would stand little chance against Hulk, Thor,(Given only the worthy can lift his hammer he can toss it at Nappa and he'd be stuck to the ground), Blue Marvel, Beta Ray Bill, Nova, and Captain Marvel at their peak. Again, read more Marvel comics. Thor, The Hulk, Nova, Blue Marvel, and the Silver Surfer can destroy whole planets with enough force, Captain Marvel can actually *move* planets with enough force. Vegeta on the other hand at that point in the Dragon Ball timeline couldn't destroy the Earth whole(And no, that episode where he and Nappa stop by a bug planet does not count as it is not considered canon) and knew not enough of the capabilities of his abilities, hence why in other instances his Galick Gun has little impact. Are you talking about the comics because I was just talking about the movies. I don't know how you can day he'd stand little chance against the Hulk. If someone like Raditz can withstand a moon destroying attack dead on and not flinch and Nappa is far more durable then what could Hulk even do against that? If Nappa were to punch Raditz that would hurt him. Essentially his and Vegeta's punches would have more force behind them than however many tens of thousands of Nukes it would take to destroy the Moon. Hulk also isn't fast and Nappa is like lightning. Thor himself isn't fast either, even in the comic he couldn't hit Wolverine and he's also like a fast human. And I don't know what you mean by him not being able to destroy the planet whole. He was going to blow up Earth if it wasn't for Goku overpowering him Yes I am talking about the comics, because the OP did not specify if it was strictly about the Marvel Cinematic Universe iterations of the characters. Did you ever take astronomy in school? Because you would know that the Earth has 80 times more of the mass of the Moon, so an attack that can destroy it is a far cry away from an attack that can destroy the Earth. So? Read more Marvel comics. Nappa may be fast but The Hulk has taken attacks by much faster opponents, and he is extremely durable so Nappa can try to blow him up to smithereens all he'd like The Hulk will still keep charge on, he's actually taken planet busting attacks and survived. The Hulk at his best can bust planets(Look up 'World Breaker Hulk') and yes he can totally defend himself against planet busters, i.e. Galaxy Master. Thor's hammer is enchanted, Nappa cannot lift it or destroy it and would be held down to the ground flat no matter how much he could try. Because the Galick Gun attack, other than that one non-canonical story, has not displayed that - Not to say it wouldn't cause any damage though. And actually its pretty suggesting that Vegeta saying 'I'm gonna blow this place up to dust!' was simply an exaggeration of speech, not much different than telling a guy at a bar before a fight 'I'm gonna punch you into next week!' because honestly the idea of somebody as arrogant and with such high aspirations would want to commit suicide is so far from his character. Also, saying so to Goku forces them to use more of their power so that they would quickly tire and be easier to handle - which turned out to be just the case.
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Post by scabab on Jan 15, 2020 20:55:26 GMT
They didn't say Nappa could destroy the Earth but it seems likely that Vegeta would have. He would have actually been over 80 times as strong as the Piccolo that destroyed the Moon too.
It'd be Cell saying he could destroy the whole Solar System but didn't because Gohan stopped him. He supposedly though according to guides.
I'm not overly familiar with the comics but from the movies, I wouldn't say that they could take Nappa and Vegeta.
In the comics I know they're capable of a lot more and that would drive them up the Dragon Ball scale. Not sure how far...there was that episode where Goku and Beerus clashed fists a couple times and risked wiping out the entire universe from it. So likely not anything that high.
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Post by scabab on Jan 15, 2020 21:04:05 GMT
Somehow DBZ is not for kids in his mind Well it is for kids but it probably is more graphic than the MCU movies. It could be surprisingly violent at times. Not something they could get away with now.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Jan 16, 2020 6:12:03 GMT
Somehow DBZ is not for kids in his mind Well it is for kids but it probably is more graphic than the MCU movies. It could be surprisingly violent at times. Not something they could get away with now. I do not think they are saying Dragon Ball is for kids in the sense that is a fairly safe and consumer friendly product but in that it is quite a bit far from the kind of storytelling thenolan champions as - which is the grim dark, the grounded, and the artsy fartsy.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Jan 16, 2020 6:29:40 GMT
They didn't say Nappa could destroy the Earth but it seems likely that Vegeta would have. He would have actually been over 80 times as strong as the Piccolo that destroyed the Moon too. It'd be Cell saying he could destroy the whole Solar System but didn't because Gohan stopped him. He supposedly though according to guides. I'm not overly familiar with the comics but from the movies, I wouldn't say that they could take Nappa and Vegeta. In the comics I know they're capable of a lot more and that would drive them up the Dragon Ball scale. Not sure how far...there was that episode where Goku and Beerus clashed fists a couple times and risked wiping out the entire universe from it. So likely not anything that high. I think it depends on how the story is told, Dragon Ball goes through numerous rewrites when dubbed for a new market or special edition. In some versions they do make it seem quite likely that Vegeta at that stage in the series was totally a planet buster, other instances his threat to Goku is more of an exaggeration of the damage he could do(Not saying he wouldn't have done zilch but not quite planet busting levels to where it literally all be dust and speckles). Vegeta I've got to say goes through some really radical shifts in personality with every dub, sometimes they write him as too egotistical, sometimes too selfish, and other times more complex, thoughtful, and caring - and in the case of the Saiyan saga the Ocean version made him pretty much into a psychopath who would cackle like The Joker. It's weird though, because he's not too hard to figure out. I'll say Chris Sabat does well with the character regardless of change though - wish he was a better and nicer guy in real life(The Vic Mignogna situation has revealed a lot that is just sad). Yeah, they did, wish they had shown Cell to be a planet buster but I think Toriyama was just rushing to get to an end there.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Jan 16, 2020 13:18:18 GMT
Somehow DBZ is not for kids in his mind Well it is for kids but it probably is more graphic than the MCU movies. It could be surprisingly violent at times. Not something they could get away with now. I'm interpreting that as he turns him into a chicken at the end, hence the 'bok bok.'
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Post by Wakanda on Jan 17, 2020 5:13:40 GMT
I remember this villain. he was more of a man child but still terffying. Thanos looks like a video game character, Majin Buu for the win. Im singing in the rain
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Post by Wakanda on Jan 17, 2020 5:14:11 GMT
Yes DBZ had insane power character level but hey remember the history of trunks saga, so much better than Endgame. Dancing in the street.
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Post by scabab on Jan 17, 2020 9:33:29 GMT
I think it depends on how the story is told, Dragon Ball goes through numerous rewrites when dubbed for a new market or special edition. In some versions they do make it seem quite likely that Vegeta at that stage in the series was totally a planet buster, other instances his threat to Goku is more of an exaggeration of the damage he could do(Not saying he wouldn't have done zilch but not quite planet busting levels to where it literally all be dust and speckles). Vegeta I've got to say goes through some really radical shifts in personality with every dub, sometimes they write him as too egotistical, sometimes too selfish, and other times more complex, thoughtful, and caring - and in the case of the Saiyan saga the Ocean version made him pretty much into a psychopath who would cackle like The Joker. It's weird though, because he's not too hard to figure out. I'll say Chris Sabat does well with the character regardless of change though - wish he was a better and nicer guy in real life(The Vic Mignogna situation has revealed a lot that is just sad). Yeah, they did, wish they had shown Cell to be a planet buster but I think Toriyama was just rushing to get to an end there. I'd think he'd be able to destroy the planet if he could. Likely not in one immediate go like Frieza did with Planet Vegeta but probably in the same way he destroyed Planet Namely so that Vegeta would have had enough time to get on his Spacepod and leave. It's awkward for that series because the characters are that powerful that they can't really show it off in a convenient way. That's why you get these escalating boasts. So Vegeta said he could destroy Earth, Cell said he could destroy a Solar System, they said Goku and Beerus clashing a few times could destroy the Universe, Beerus and Champa fighting would destroy two Universe and Kefla said she could destroy a Universe in one shot. Nothing of which was shown though.
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Post by miike80 on Jan 17, 2020 10:50:40 GMT
They're as powerful as the writers want them to be. Maybe in the next comic book Thor farts and destroys the galaxy
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Jan 17, 2020 18:37:13 GMT
I think it depends on how the story is told, Dragon Ball goes through numerous rewrites when dubbed for a new market or special edition. In some versions they do make it seem quite likely that Vegeta at that stage in the series was totally a planet buster, other instances his threat to Goku is more of an exaggeration of the damage he could do(Not saying he wouldn't have done zilch but not quite planet busting levels to where it literally all be dust and speckles). Vegeta I've got to say goes through some really radical shifts in personality with every dub, sometimes they write him as too egotistical, sometimes too selfish, and other times more complex, thoughtful, and caring - and in the case of the Saiyan saga the Ocean version made him pretty much into a psychopath who would cackle like The Joker. It's weird though, because he's not too hard to figure out. I'll say Chris Sabat does well with the character regardless of change though - wish he was a better and nicer guy in real life(The Vic Mignogna situation has revealed a lot that is just sad). Yeah, they did, wish they had shown Cell to be a planet buster but I think Toriyama was just rushing to get to an end there. I'd think he'd be able to destroy the planet if he could. Likely not in one immediate go like Frieza did with Planet Vegeta but probably in the same way he destroyed Planet Namely so that Vegeta would have had enough time to get on his Spacepod and leave. It's awkward for that series because the characters are that powerful that they can't really show it off in a convenient way. That's why you get these escalating boasts. So Vegeta said he could destroy Earth, Cell said he could destroy a Solar System, they said Goku and Beerus clashing a few times could destroy the Universe, Beerus and Champa fighting would destroy two Universe and Kefla said she could destroy a Universe in one shot. Nothing of which was shown though. Depends on whether one considers the episode where they went to Arlia as canon or not, which opens up whole other discussion. And that on that note I've always speculated Vegeta might've been partially inspired from Namor the Sub-Mariner, not only because of the royalty aspects and being prideful warriors but also with those big eye brows and typical facial expression, even when smiling the same effect is there.
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Post by Feologild Oakes on Jan 17, 2020 18:46:28 GMT
If it was in an Avengers movie than yes
if it was in a Dragon ball movie, than no
If it was in neither well than it would depend on who the writer of the story wants to win.
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Post by miike80 on Jan 17, 2020 18:48:03 GMT
If it was in an Avengers movie than yes if it was in a Dragon ball movie, than no If it was in neither well than it would depend on who the writer of the story wants to win. Exactly
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