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Post by janntosh on Feb 2, 2020 3:02:25 GMT
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Post by petrolino on Feb 2, 2020 3:05:44 GMT
Bling culture. Rock's about slumming it.
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Post by Zos on Feb 2, 2020 12:27:46 GMT
It hasn't really, but a downturn could be the fault of teenage boys preferring computer games than music whereas teenage girls tend to go out and dance a lot more, hence the over preponderance of the style that isn't r'n'b but has somehow stolen the label.
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Post by driftin on Feb 2, 2020 14:15:24 GMT
It hasn't really, but a downturn could be the fault of teenage boys preferring computer games than music whereas teenage girls tend to go out and dance a lot more, hence the over preponderance of the style that isn't r'n'b but has somehow stolen the label. 
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Post by alpha128 on Feb 2, 2020 17:12:36 GMT
Here are some videos, which I feel raise some valid points, that discuss why rock has become a niche genre of music. For example, I agree that the industry places a disproportionate emphasis on legacy bands in terms of festivals, tours, and radio airplay. Of course, the industry is only doing what has a proven track record of financial success. But this is clearly not a growth strategy and is short-sighted. There is a lot of great rock/metal being produced in recent years, and I've done my part to promote it on this board *. But I am in the words of the first video, one of the "dedicated few who are willing to really seek it out." *Here are my favorite 2015, 2016-ish, 2017, 2018, and 2019 albums. |
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Post by yougotastewgoinbaby on Feb 2, 2020 21:52:08 GMT
Welcome to Obama’s America!
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Post by Eva Yojimbo on Feb 3, 2020 6:19:29 GMT
We had a similar thread recently about rock dying. I think the vids posted above are fine analyses in general, but also from a very broad, macro view of things, popular culture inevitably changes. New genres come along, and they capture attention because of their newness, and then within that genre there will be evolution and as long as that evolution finds new young fans the genre can survive and thrive in the mainstream. But eventually artists within that genre run out of ideas, or new generations find themselves interested in other new genres that probably have fresher ideas.
If we look at rock, when was the last time a mainstream band did something genuinely new? It seems to me like you almost have to go back to the early 90s and the dawn of alternative rock and a bit later with the fusion of rap and metal (nu-metal). Eventually, those genres ran out steam because they were already pretty limited in terms of sound/style to begin with. Then you had the brief popularity of pop punk in the 00s, but even that was just a rehash of pretty old ideas (early punk had plenty of pop-ish songs). So there's been almost nothing new in rock in at least 20 years if I'm being generous.
So it's not surprised that when you combine a stagnant genre with a new generation that sees vital, vibrant stars in other genres like rap and pop that rock would be radically declining in popularity. I would say that there's still plenty of good rock (and especially metal) outside the mainstream, but most of it is stuff that has zero chance at being popularity for a variety of reasons, often because the music is too complex, too harsh, or just lacking in the kinds of simple hooks that necessary for mainstream success.
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Post by jonesjxd on Feb 3, 2020 17:02:32 GMT
It was Napster that killed rock as a commercially viable enterprise, but it was inevitable so there's no use in dwelling on it. These days recorded music serves to advertise the live shows, and live show serves to advertise the merch booth. There's plenty of good music out there, you just have to luck out and stumble upon it.
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Post by Prime etc. on Feb 3, 2020 18:33:23 GMT
Has to do with media ownership.
Rock N Roll was marketed mainly to European Americans--but the media companies don't like em so they have systemically shut them out over time.
Just as we see with movies, even though the art form was invented by Europeans.
Corporate culture has an agenda so they make promotions based on that, not merit or public interest.
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Post by Eva Yojimbo on Feb 3, 2020 23:04:19 GMT
Has to do with media ownership. Rock N Roll was marketed mainly to European Americans--but the media companies don't like em so they have systemically shut them out over time. Just as we see with movies, even though the art form was invented by Europeans. Corporate culture has an agenda so they make promotions based on that, not merit or public interest.  Corporate culture has an agenda to make money. They follow where the money goes and don't give a good goddamn what genre achieves that end. In the case of music they "market" to young people as the youth have always been the largest consumers of music; race is not a factor in this, except to delusional racists like yourself.
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Post by alpha128 on Feb 3, 2020 23:20:55 GMT
There's plenty of good music out there, you just have to luck out and stumble upon it. Or work hard to find it, which is what I do.
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Post by Prime etc. on Feb 3, 2020 23:44:01 GMT
Corporate culture has an agenda to make money. They follow where the money goes and don't give a good goddamn what genre achieves that end. In the case of music they "market" to young people as the youth have always been the largest consumers of music; race is not a factor in this, except to delusional racists like yourself. No corporate culture has an agenda to control and downsize. If it had an agenda to make money it would be diverse and varied. There is zero logic to replacing European music with Africa. having European and African music side by side makes sense, but that's not communistic. And they are the racists. What could be more racist than saying certain art styles must be removed because they violate a political agenda?
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Post by ck100 on Feb 4, 2020 0:07:44 GMT
Stuff like pop/country feels more radio-friendly and gets more of a push in that case.
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Post by Eva Yojimbo on Feb 4, 2020 1:30:16 GMT
Corporate culture has an agenda to make money. They follow where the money goes and don't give a good goddamn what genre achieves that end. In the case of music they "market" to young people as the youth have always been the largest consumers of music; race is not a factor in this, except to delusional racists like yourself. No corporate culture has an agenda to control and downsize. If it had an agenda to make money it would be diverse and varied. There is zero logic to replacing European music with Africa. having European and African music side by side makes sense, but that's not communistic. And they are the racists. What could be more racist than saying certain art styles must be removed because they violate a political agenda? It has an agenda to control and downsize if that makes money. Otherwise, it doesn't care. If diverse and varied makes money, it would be diverse and varied (I'd say popular music is and has always been diverse and varied; Billie Eilish doesn't sound much like Taylor Swift which doesn't sound much like Drake which doesn't sound much like Ed Sheeran which doesn't sound much like Cardi B which doesn't sound much like Shawn Mendes etc). LMAO at "replacing European music with Africa." Rock originated in blues, R&B, and some jazz; all genres that have their earliest roots in African music. Meanwhile, the electronic beats that dominate today's music, whether in rap or pop, originated in Europe and America. If we go back to the very beginning, it starts with composers like Varese (French), Cage (American) and Stockhausen (German). If we look to popular music, it begins with The Beach Boys and The Beatles using electronic instruments, onto synths being popular among the 70s prog bands, onto the first purely electronic artists like Kraftwerk, Tangerine Dream, and Brian Eno; all white, and either European or American. Further, hip-hop started in America, not Africa. So, if anything, you have it backwards: African music (though most popularly played by white Europeans/Americans after Elvis) was replaced by European music (played equally now by both black and white Americans/Europeans). And who "removed" any art style? Rock is dying because it ran out of ideas, simple as that. Rock is probably my favorite genre outside of classical, and even I recognize the genre's staleness. Genres/Styles die when people stop doing new/fresh things with them. That's not the fault of any corporations, that's the fault of the last decade of rock bands sucking.
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Post by NJtoTX on Feb 4, 2020 2:47:16 GMT
emo male stuff and the corporatization of hip hop.
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Post by jonesjxd on Feb 4, 2020 3:20:50 GMT
There's plenty of good music out there, you just have to luck out and stumble upon it. Or work hard to find it, which is what I do. Just curious, what's the hardest physical exertion you've ever put in to find a band you liked?
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Post by alpha128 on Feb 4, 2020 13:14:07 GMT
Or work hard to find it, which is what I do. Just curious, what's the hardest physical exertion you've ever put in to find a band you liked? No physical exertion is required. But I typically go through a lot of albums on YouTube before I find one I want to buy. For example, I just received a new CD in the mail yesterday. As part of my YouTube streaming/album shopping, I listened to fourteen other albums before I decided to buy that one. That particular "shopping trip" had a success rate of 1/15, or appropriately enough, 6.66%. I attribute the relatively high percentage to the fact I bought an album from a band whose work I already own. If I had only listened to unknown (to me) bands, it probably would have taken even longer. On previous streaming sessions, purchase rates of 5.6%, 4.0%, and 1.9% have occurred.
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Post by NJtoTX on Feb 4, 2020 13:32:29 GMT
Just curious, what's the hardest physical exertion you've ever put in to find a band you liked? No physical exertion is required. But I typically go through a lot of albums on YouTube before I find one I want to buy. For example, I just received a new CD in the mail yesterday. As part of my YouTube streaming/album shopping, I listened to fourteen other albums before I decided to buy that one. That particular "shopping trip" had a success rate of 1/15, or appropriately enough, 6.66%. I attribute the relatively high percentage to the fact I bought an album from a band whose work I already own. If I had only listened to unknown (to me) bands, it probably would have taken even longer. On previous streaming sessions, purchase rates of 5.6%, 4.0%, and 1.9% have occurred. So is this the paid version of YouTube? I still use YouTube the way I always have.
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Post by alpha128 on Feb 4, 2020 13:52:32 GMT
No physical exertion is required. But I typically go through a lot of albums on YouTube before I find one I want to buy. So is this the paid version of YouTube? I still use YouTube the way I always have. I use plain old regular YouTube, same as you. However, I pay attention to YouTube's suggestions that appear to the right of the video. So one album listen may result in five or more new album suggestions. I use the right-click Bookmark This Link... command and save any new suggestions in a "review later" folder. You keep at that a while, and you'll soon be inundated with albums/songs to evaluate. My "review later" folder currently has over 600 album/songs in it.
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Post by NJtoTX on Feb 4, 2020 14:00:08 GMT
So is this the paid version of YouTube? I still use YouTube the way I always have. I use plain old regular YouTube, same as you. However, I pay attention to YouTube's suggestions that appear to the right of the video. So one album listen may result in five or more new album suggestions. I use the right-click Bookmark This Link... command and save any new suggestions in a "review later" folder. You keep at that a while, and you'll soon be inundated with albums/songs to evaluate. My "review later" folder currently has over 600 album/songs in it. Cool. Any rock from the last decade I should check out?
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