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Post by Jason143 on Oct 12, 2021 22:23:53 GMT
While I think Craig has only had two great movies (Casino Royale and Skyfall), there is no denying that his tenure attracted the most talented batch of filmmakers and actors. 007 has always been one of the top earning franchises, but during Craig's time as Bond these movies became Oscar winning prestige pictures. So while I may not like Spectre or No Time To Die, and think Connery and Moore had more better movies, they didn't register the level of importance that Craig's films have. Also Connery, Moore and Brosnan's lows sank a lot lower than Craig's lows. But Daniel Craig facially is the worst looking Bond in NTTD. Bond looked 70 in NTTD and if you're James Bond and facially look too old then it's a turn off. Both Brosnan, Connery and Moore never looked like shit when they left Bond and all knew when to quit before they became laughable. He does look bad but these newer Bonds are meant to be realistic takes on the material, so you would expect a real life Bond to look rugged and beat up after all hes been through. Maybe thats what they were going for. I still prefer the Pierce Brosnan movies which were more fantastical and wacky.
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Post by Lux on Oct 12, 2021 22:30:27 GMT
But Daniel Craig facially is the worst looking Bond in NTTD. Bond looked 70 in NTTD and if you're James Bond and facially look too old then it's a turn off. Both Brosnan, Connery and Moore never looked like shit when they left Bond and all knew when to quit before they became laughable. He does look bad but these newer Bonds are meant to be realistic takes on the material, so you would expect a real life Bond to look rugged and beat up after all hes been through. Maybe thats what they were going for. I still prefer the Pierce Brosnan movies which were more fantastical and wacky. He didn't really look rugged he just looked really old even the director looks more Bond than Daniel, the camera did try but it just didn't work. Daniel Craig looked great in his first Bond film of course.
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Post by Archelaus on Oct 13, 2021 1:09:34 GMT
No. Sam Mendes is renown for his work with actors. When he was hired what became Skyfall, he wanted to delve into Bond's personal history to help audiences better understand him. When he decided to direct Spectre, he wanted to go even deeper into that. He and the screenwriters mined what they could from Ian Fleming about Bond's past. There, they found the short story "Octopussy" (from the anthology novel Octopussy and The Living Daylights) in which Bond regarded one character, Hannes Oberhauser, as being a second father to him. Thus, Mendes and company devised a new backstory in which they asked: "What if there was a natural child who had been pushed out, cuckoo in the nest by the blue-eyed good-looking talented skier and good climber, and he was a feeble little weakling, doing his homework upstairs. That figure felt like someone whose story I wanted to know." That still doesn't mean Austin Powers wasn't the inspiration. Not necessarily. The trope of having heroes and villains be related (biological or adopted) goes back to the earliest mythological stories, such as the Osiris myth. In that story, Horus, son of Osiris, fights his uncle Set for the throne. You see the trope appear again and again in biblical stories, Greek and Norse mythology, Shakespearean dramas (i.e. Hamlet), and in films, television, and comic books. It makes for good drama when told right. However, I understand your perspective. When they were writing Spectre, they should have recognized that plot similarity with Austin Powers and best avoided it. That plot point ruined not only Blofeld, but all the previous villains' in Craig's run by making them all pawns for Blofeld.
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Post by Jan El Señor on Oct 13, 2021 2:37:11 GMT
While I think Craig has only had two great movies (Casino Royale and Skyfall), there is no denying that his tenure attracted the most talented batch of filmmakers and actors. 007 has always been one of the top earning franchises, but during Craig's time as Bond these movies became Oscar winning prestige pictures. So while I may not like Spectre or No Time To Die, and think Connery and Moore had more better movies, they didn't register the level of importance that Craig's films have. Also Connery, Moore and Brosnan's lows sank a lot lower than Craig's lows. But Daniel Craig facially is the worst looking Bond in NTTD. Bond looked 70 in NTTD and if you're James Bond and facially look too old then it's a turn off. Both Brosnan, Connery and Moore never looked like shit when they left Bond and all knew when to quit before they became laughable. Lol. Roger Moore looked like a feeble old man in A View to a Kill....
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2021 4:23:11 GMT
Well I do think Casino Royale is the best Bond film thus far, but I'd still say Connery had the best run overall. I literally came to say this exact thing.
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Post by Lux on Oct 13, 2021 4:50:40 GMT
But Daniel Craig facially is the worst looking Bond in NTTD. Bond looked 70 in NTTD and if you're James Bond and facially look too old then it's a turn off. Both Brosnan, Connery and Moore never looked like shit when they left Bond and all knew when to quit before they became laughable. Lol. Roger Moore looked like a feeble old man in A View to a Kill.... Roger Moore had a personality to help with that Daniel's Bond doesn't. Daniel just comes off looking like a bitter old man in a role that's supposed to be anything but. There are plenty of old men that don't look their age and look younger but Daniel Craig just doesn't have that facial gift.
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Post by drystyx on Oct 13, 2021 5:35:16 GMT
You must be trolling. The Craig Bond movies are the very worst in the series. "Casino Royale" was so poor and depressing that it made the Niven farce Royale look like a classic in comparison. I have nothing against the actor Craig. He was just in the worst and most depressing pile of sh.t Bond movies on the whole.
Connery and Moore had the best runs. No doubt about that. Their Bond films were mostly exciting, full of visual splendor, full of awesome scenery, full of wit, and they weren't depressing every second of the way. Dalton and Brosnan were in slightly depressing Bond movies, but nothing near as hate mongering as the ones Craig suffered through, in a Hollywood world so ate up with hate that depressing the audience has been the formula for Hollywood and its control freaks ever since the mid sixties.
Moore got to appear in what is undeniably the greatest 007 film THE SPY WHO LOVED ME. It had a classic theme, and included all the Bond elements. The plurality of film critics, maybe even the majority, agree it is the best of the Bond films. The "love" for modern Bond movies is obviously from people who have monetary interests in Craig movies, or are related to someone with monetary interests. That's a large number when you take in all the extras, sound people, gaffers, editors, everyone in the credits, along with their cousins, in laws, and even former class mates. That large number fully explains the sock puppets on many web sites demanding we love the hate mongering 007 movies.
Connery had the most solid run, save for Never Say Never. His had some of the most epic scenery and greatest action shots. The underwater battle of THUNDERBALL is still unchallenged as the greatest and most exciting underwater film footage of all time, and it has the two best assassination scenes (little fish and Boardroom). The imagery of YOU ONLY LIVE TWICE is astonishing, and probably the best cinematography of the Bond films. FROM RUSSIA WITH LOVE has the most feel of a cold war spy movie of the Bond films. DR. NO has the most innocence aside perhaps from "Living Daylights". GOLDFINGER is filmed in Kentucky, so that makes it awesome right there. DIAMONDS ARE FOREVER does have the most comical henchmen, if nothing else.
Yet Moore has two of the five greatest Bond films to his credit, THE SPY WHO LOVED ME and FOR YOUR EYES ONLY. OCTOPUSSY and MOONRAKER are definitely in the top ten. And the pair of silly Bonds LIVE AND LET DIE and THE MAN WITH THE GOLDEN GUN are the ones that have improved the most with age, since the red neck sheriff is no longer the cliche it was during the time these films were made. Now, that clown is actually funny. he was just annoying at the time, but now he's down right hilarious, because that character is no longer so overused.
However, Moore did appear in what is hands down the worst Bond movie ever, A VIEW TO A KILL. Not only was it a depressing, pathetic, muddled mess, but it earns the title for worst Bond movie by virtue of having the very worst and most annoying, non musical theme song and the stupidest title ever. What in the world is a "view to a kill"? Something a two year old made up?
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Post by Jan El Señor on Oct 13, 2021 13:56:59 GMT
Lol. Roger Moore looked like a feeble old man in A View to a Kill.... Roger Moore had a personality to help with that Daniel's Bond doesn't. Daniel just comes off looking like a bitter old man in a role that's supposed to be anything but. There are plenty of old men that don't look their age and look younger but Daniel Craig just doesn't have that facial gift. Except Craig was supposed to look like an older, more rugged Bond in this film, which he does. Despite his age, he's still in shape and looks capable. Moore was supposed to be a capable secret agent in AVTAK, but just looked like a feeble old man (with a personality).
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Post by Lux on Oct 13, 2021 14:09:16 GMT
Roger Moore had a personality to help with that Daniel's Bond doesn't. Daniel just comes off looking like a bitter old man in a role that's supposed to be anything but. There are plenty of old men that don't look their age and look younger but Daniel Craig just doesn't have that facial gift. Except Craig was supposed to look like an older, more rugged Bond in this film, which he does. Despite his age, he's still in shape and looks capable. Moore was supposed to be a capable secret agent in AVTAK, but just looked like a feeble old man (with a personality). Except he didn't. I know you like Daniel Craig but he was only capable of one facial expression throughout the movie and looks to have had Botox or whatever clay molded cosmetic work he's had done to his face. He did used to look great in his first Bond film it's just a shame about the rest. He beat a guy with one eye hilarious.
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Post by twothousandonemark on Oct 13, 2021 21:12:10 GMT
1. Connery... 5/6 very good to great Bond movies. 2. Craig... 2 very good, 2 alright, 1 letdown. 3. Moore... 3 memorable ones, the rest completely not. 4. Lazenby... 1 great movie, no body of work otherwise. 5. Dalton... 2 solid movies. 6. Brosnan... too pretty, too shiny, too forgettable.
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Post by Jan El Señor on Oct 14, 2021 3:01:50 GMT
I know you like Daniel Craig. I like all the Bond actors. Sure, I have my preferences, but I think each one brought something special to the role. I know Moore liked playing the more comedic Bond, but he did an awesome job when they got him to be more brutal. I think Brosnan was a good Bond, he just got the short end of the stick with the films he was in. Same with Connery. I know Goldfinger is considered a classic, but it's not my cup of tea. From Russia With Love is the only Connery Bond I think is great.
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