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Post by sostie on May 5, 2017 22:24:33 GMT
They were such huge hits because they were quality family entertainment and fun at a time when Hollywood was in the middle of a grunge era. And because of the merchandise. I'm convinced the interest would have died out without it. My nieces & nephews, a friends' kids were into Star Wars toys & lego long before they ever saw any of the films. They were into the Marvel toys AFTER they saw the films.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2017 22:24:43 GMT
Seriously? Ask this question in a few years after the superhero bubble has disintegrated into oblivion, and people will deem this as a joke or will not understand what you are even talking about. A bubble that started growing with the comics in the 40s and on film in the 70s, and continued to grow since (count how many superhero/comic films came out in some years in the 90s and the number is pretty comparable to now. It seems a lot now because studios and comic publishers have actually got their act together (remember Lucas tried to make a Marvel film, and failed miserably). The bubble has been therefor decades, it's just much stronger now. You what? And Sith tries to be dark, the audible laughter in the audience when I saw it makes me think it failed. How many times has that happened in a MCU film? Whereas Obo Wan was floating about after the first SW film Titanic won more Oscars than all the Star Wars films put together (only the first 3 have won tech Oscars)...it it better than the Star Wars saga? As opposed to pontificating bores in dressing gowns with flashy swords Because of course the Star Wars fanbase is completely devoid of people who are/were kids or who many consider emotionally insecure Not to mention the prequels were exclusively aimed at children.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2017 22:26:21 GMT
They were such huge hits because they were quality family entertainment and fun at a time when Hollywood was in the middle of a grunge era. And because of the merchandise. I'm convinced the interest would have died out without it. My nieces & nephews, a friends' kids were into Star Wars toys & lego long before they ever saw any of the films. They were into the Marvel toys AFTER they saw the films. That, too. Plus, they were unique for their time. Hollywood hadn't made anything like Star Wars in a very long time, however, they DID make them once. Flash Gordon, Bucky Rogers, and so on. Star Wars was essentially a nostalgia picture.
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Post by sostie on May 5, 2017 22:39:43 GMT
And because of the merchandise. I'm convinced the interest would have died out without it. My nieces & nephews, a friends' kids were into Star Wars toys & lego long before they ever saw any of the films. They were into the Marvel toys AFTER they saw the films. That, too. Plus, they were unique for their time. Hollywood hadn't made anything like Star Wars in a very long time, however, they DID make them once. Flash Gordon, Bucky Rogers, and so on. Star Wars was essentially a nostalgia picture. Lucas actually wrote Star Wars because he couldn't secure the rights to Flash Gordon...hence the crawl at the beginning of the film, his homage to the serial
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2017 22:45:28 GMT
That, too. Plus, they were unique for their time. Hollywood hadn't made anything like Star Wars in a very long time, however, they DID make them once. Flash Gordon, Bucky Rogers, and so on. Star Wars was essentially a nostalgia picture. Lucas actually wrote Star Wars because he couldn't secure the rights to Flash Gordon...hence the crawl at the beginning of the film, his homage to the serial Kind of amazing how the pedestal fans put Star Wars on crumbles with a little knowledge.
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Post by sostie on May 5, 2017 22:49:44 GMT
Lucas actually wrote Star Wars because he couldn't secure the rights to Flash Gordon...hence the crawl at the beginning of the film, his homage to the serial Kind of amazing how the pedestal fans put Star Wars on crumbles with a little knowledge. I won't deny the film(s) are a phenomena but the first is just full of borrowed ideas and myths. Checkout this...
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2017 22:55:52 GMT
Kind of amazing how the pedestal fans put Star Wars on crumbles with a little knowledge. I won't deny the film(s) are a phenomena but the first is just full of borrowed ideas and myths. Checkout this... Of course. No one will deny the original trilogy was well-made and revolutionary. They just don't tell groundbreaking stories like fans like to think.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on May 5, 2017 23:31:06 GMT
Here we go again. Must have hit pretty close to the mark to get you fanboys all riled up like that, huh? Reading comprehension, don't shift goalposts. The topic is cultural relevance of SW vs MCU, not SW vs superhero culture in general, or we could extend that to superhero to SciFi. Also, you evidently feign ignorance what a bubble is, the genre has been around since long, and it was dead for years too! But the superhero bubble we discuss means the recent relentless bombardment with several films a year, which - like with other genres - will eventually go back to "normal". And an MCU bubble was most definitely not there, these characters such as GotG, Ironman, Thor were strictly limited to the nerdosphere. So what? You twat? All you got? Whatever it is, if you do not grasp the merits and points, there is no point in discussing. The anecdotal fallacies of halfwits do not concern me any more than the ant under my boot. This deflection is as clumsy as it is stupid. This is misinformed and obtuse, the amount of awards - including awards for the most iconic soundtrack in film history - is obviously one of several relevant factor when discussing the cultural relevance, impact and recognition of a film franchise. As far as I know MCU has won zero so far (DCU 1 Academy Award, bravo!). Seriously? Guess you were detracted by all the audience laughter in Rogue One, Sith etc to notice. Conversely, name me one major superhero protagonist in the MCU that was not resurrected like Fury, the Shields guy et al. hey i totally get why Jedi would bore guys who prefers to watch beefcake in tights and to discuss their crotch sizes. But the SWU has so many more types of protagonist (and other than MCU also iconic antagonists), but no beefcakes in tights alas... no, they typically intersect with MCU fans, we call them Disney lemmings, and they typically love lowbrow fanfic rehashes like TFA and do not care about dystopian storytelling about the downfall of democracy and a people. Sound familiar? That was fun, let's not do that again!
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2017 23:37:03 GMT
Oh, look, an idiot who uses "kool-aid" as a part of his handle thinks he can judge other people. Hilarious.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on May 6, 2017 0:02:26 GMT
Oh, look, an idiot who uses "kool-aid" as a part of his handle thinks he can judge other people. Hilarious. could you act more desperately and pathetically when having no arguments? Don't get me wrong, I like a good adhom attack to spice things up, but it should always be paired with a solid argument. As we know, not your forte. Your surrender is hereby accepted. Thank you for your unwavering propensity for low effort thinking.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2017 0:04:05 GMT
Oh, look, an idiot who uses "kool-aid" as a part of his handle thinks he can judge other people. Hilarious. could you act more desperately and pathetically when having no arguments? Don't get me wrong, I like a good adhom attack to spice things up, but it should always be paired with a solid argument. As we know, not your forte. Your surrender is hereby accepted. Thank you for your unwavering propensity for low effort thinking. ...Said the man with no argument. I have to wonder how someone can get so lost in their own delusions as you.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on May 6, 2017 1:09:57 GMT
Oh, look, an idiot who uses "kool-aid" as a part of his handle thinks he can judge other people. Hilarious. could you act more desperately and pathetically when having no arguments? Don't get me wrong, I like a good adhom attack to spice things up, but it should always be paired with a solid argument. As we know, not your forte. Your surrender is hereby accepted. Thank you for your unwavering propensity for low effort thinking.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on May 6, 2017 1:12:22 GMT
could you act more desperately and pathetically when having no arguments? Don't get me wrong, I like a good adhom attack to spice things up, but it should always be paired with a solid argument. As we know, not your forte. Your surrender is hereby accepted. Thank you for your unwavering propensity for low effort thinking. ...Said the man with no argument. I have to wonder how someone can get so lost in their own delusions as you. no idea really, I can only have learnt that from you.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2017 1:13:51 GMT
...Said the man with no argument. I have to wonder how someone can get so lost in their own delusions as you. no idea really, I can only have learnt that from you. You lack self-awareness to hilarious degrees.
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Post by darkpast on May 6, 2017 1:24:41 GMT
Star Wars is at risk of becoming a joke with Kathleen running the show, they need to bring back daddy.
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Post by sostie on May 6, 2017 1:30:07 GMT
Here we go again. Must have hit pretty close to the mark to get you fanboys all riled up like that, huh? How ironic considering the response that followed You mentioned the superhero bubble not the MCU one. What? that it won more than the whole sage...no it's a fact. Ok sorry...I'll re-word it...what a load of pretentious tripe And yet it happened No, just Sith. Rogue One is a great film Iron Man, Thor, Black Widow, all Guardians Of The Galaxy, Ant-Man, Captain America, Falcon, Hulk etc etc From a guy with a Thubndercats avatar Aaah, you are one of those Star Wars fans. One of those in a faction based on what films they consider to be the best ones, and who look down on those that like the ones you don't from the saga.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on May 6, 2017 17:05:56 GMT
bump!
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Post by coldenhaulfield on May 7, 2017 16:24:20 GMT
Man, so it seems pretty universally agreed upon that Star Wars is, was, and always will be more relevant than the MCU. Thanks to everyone for a lively discussion on how Marvel can make the most of their second-tier status.
Should we close the poll, or just keep it open for people who haven't yet weighed in?
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Post by twothousandonemark on May 8, 2017 2:27:53 GMT
As Star Wars 1977? Impossible.
As SW the franchise? Possibly if it isn't already. Ppl are going to multiple MCU movies in a single year. SW might feel over saturated with 2 in one year.
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Post by Atom(ica) Discord on May 8, 2017 2:53:20 GMT
Star Wars is at risk of becoming a joke with Kathleen running the show, they need to bring back daddy.
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