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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2018 2:32:14 GMT
Star Wars has this underpinning it: Heck, there are even substantial numbers of people who practice the tenets of the Jedi as a religion. The MCU seems too scattered in this aspect to grab such cultural relevance, and I've got to believe with the diverse characters and their beliefs, I doubt that as strong a shared mythology will ever be able to emerge here as it did with what Lucas created. I could be wrong, let's see over time where they take this aspect. But for now, the MCU has no FORCE, and no central family saga intertwined in it. Plus this: www.starwarsringtheory.comAnd, as we all know, even pathetic haters like WeirdRaptor can't discount or disprove the genius of Ring Theory. LOL, it's like poetry, innit?
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Oct 8, 2018 2:36:49 GMT
Plus this: www.starwarsringtheory.comAnd, as we all know, even pathetic haters like WeirdRaptor can't discount or disprove the genius of Ring Theory. LOL, it's like poetry, innit? Exactly!
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Post by damngumby on Oct 8, 2018 2:52:00 GMT
Lucas was fortunate to make a schlocky B movie at the moment when special effects technology made it possible to film cool space battles ... This is a 100% false statement. The "special effects technology" used was invented by people that Lucas himself hired, after he told them what he wanted to do. Computer controlled motion control was not invented by George Lucas, or his employees for Star Wars. It already existed. Without it, ILM would have had nothing to attach a camera to. They built upon existing technology. If Lucas had wanted to make Star Wars just five years earlier, he would have been shit out of luck. So ... my statement is correct.
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Post by damngumby on Oct 8, 2018 3:04:04 GMT
Serious question: has King Kong Brady ever watched Flash Gordon? Yes. Buster Crabbe, Charles Middleton, spaceships hanging from wires, emitting sparks. Hilarious stuff! There were a number of times I thought GL was intentionally dumbing down the dialog in Star Wars to mimic the campy dialog from Flash Gordon ... because no one could be that bad a writer ... could they?
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Oct 8, 2018 3:12:03 GMT
This is a 100% false statement. The "special effects technology" used was invented by people that Lucas himself hired, after he told them what he wanted to do. Computer controlled motion control was not invented by George Lucas, or his employees for Star Wars. It already existed. Without it, ILM would have had nothing to attach a camera to. They built upon existing technology. If Lucas had wanted to make Star Wars just five years earlier, he would have been shit out of luck. So ... my statement is a disingenuous mischaracterization that willfully obscures and ignores the tremendous achievements of Lucasfilm and Lucas specifically because I am a fanboy turd incapable of reasonable adult discussion. Fixed.
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Post by damngumby on Oct 8, 2018 3:25:31 GMT
Computer controlled motion control was not invented by George Lucas, or his employees for Star Wars. It already existed. Without it, ILM would have had nothing to attach a camera to. They built upon existing technology. If Lucas had wanted to make Star Wars just five years earlier, he would have been shit out of luck. So ... my statement is a disingenuous mischaracterization that willfully obscures and ignores the tremendous achievements of Lucasfilm and Lucas specifically because I am a fanboy turd incapable of reasonable adult discussion. Fixed. Don’t get all butt-hurt, cupcake. ILM certainly gets due credit for putting it all together for Star Wars. That doesn’t negate the fact that they would have been incapable of doing so just a few years earlier when the computer technology wasn’t there. BTW, is that your idea of a reasonable adult discussion? 😂
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Oct 8, 2018 3:36:38 GMT
Don’t get all butt-hurt, cupcake. ILM certainly gets due credit for putting it all together for Star Wars. That doesn’t negate the fact that they would have been incapable of doing so just a few years earlier when the computer technology wasn’t there. BTW, is that your idea of a reasonable adult discussion? 😂 The point is irrelevant and in no way discounts anything they achieved, nor Lucas'a vision and direction. No, and that's the joke, which -- since you've no concept of discussing anything reasonably, let alone the capacity for humor -- you also missed.
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Oct 8, 2018 3:39:56 GMT
This is a 100% false statement. The "special effects technology" used was invented by people that Lucas himself hired, after he told them what he wanted to do. Computer controlled motion control was not invented by George Lucas, or his employees for Star Wars. It already existed. Without it, ILM would have had nothing to attach a camera to. They built upon existing technology. If Lucas had wanted to make Star Wars just five years earlier, he would have been shit out of luck. So ... my statement is correct. Nope. Wrong again, cum cake: "We were developing lighting systems, we were developing camera movement and model systems, we were advancing and changing the construction techniques of the models and their scale," says Dykstra, whose effects career spans from 1971's " Silent Running" all the way to this year's "Ghost in the Shell."
Developing the new systems meant stealing from aviation, medical and military technology. "We borrowed technology from everywhere," Dykstra says.
Dykstra recruited Alvah J. Miller and Jerry Jeffress, who he'd worked with at Berkeley's Institute of Urban and Regional Development. Together they'd built a rig that slowly inched a 16 mm camera around a tiny model of Marin County, California, to simulate traffic movement.
They controlled the camera rig by programming a then state-of-the-art PDP-11 computer, a series of 16-bit computers also used for factory automation, air traffic control and even controlling nuclear power stations.
That computer-controlled camera rig laid the foundations for ILM's first major breakthrough in motion and imagery. Where earlier sci-fi films flew a model around in front of the camera, motion control moved the camera and kept the model stationary."
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2018 3:52:16 GMT
Computer controlled motion control was not invented by George Lucas, or his employees for Star Wars. It already existed. Without it, ILM would have had nothing to attach a camera to. They built upon existing technology. If Lucas had wanted to make Star Wars just five years earlier, he would have been shit out of luck. So ... my statement is correct. Nope. Wrong again, cum cake: "We were developing lighting systems, we were developing camera movement and model systems, we were advancing and changing the construction techniques of the models and their scale," says Dykstra, whose effects career spans from 1971's " Silent Running" all the way to this year's "Ghost in the Shell."
Developing the new systems meant stealing from aviation, medical and military technology. "We borrowed technology from everywhere," Dykstra says.
Dykstra recruited Alvah J. Miller and Jerry Jeffress, who he'd worked with at Berkeley's Institute of Urban and Regional Development. Together they'd built a rig that slowly inched a 16 mm camera around a tiny model of Marin County, California, to simulate traffic movement.
They controlled the camera rig by programming a then state-of-the-art PDP-11 computer, a series of 16-bit computers also used for factory automation, air traffic control and even controlling nuclear power stations.
That computer-controlled camera rig laid the foundations for ILM's first major breakthrough in motion and imagery. Where earlier sci-fi films flew a model around in front of the camera, motion control moved the camera and kept the model stationary."KA-POW!!!!8!!! When will Brady learn not to mess with the Ackbars (and our crew of loyal supporters)?!
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Oct 8, 2018 9:01:20 GMT
I wanted to say the same thing; Lucas originally intended to do a Gordon film, just could not get the rights. King Kong probably refers to the 80s Flash Gordon version which was strongly influenced in terms of art design by the Star Wars films. I see a connection there. But the original 30s series is very different in design etc; Lucas "borrowed" minor element from this and similar shows like the narrative crawl or rays that can destroy planets (ie space opera tropes) , but character and plot wise these have hardly anything in common. It's an urban myth. Same with that the original Star Wars film is a carbon copy of The Hidden Fortress (which everybody who has seen the films will realize). Well, there are obviously similarities—both to Flash and to The Hidden Fortress. But they’re inspirations for Star Wars, mixed in with Lucas’s own imagination. It’s the same process (as Eliot pointed out) with all artistic creation, including, ahem, KKB’s beloved Marvel movies. well inspiration is the natural basis of ideas.
That goes for the remarkable creative art design too, arguably THE unique selling point of SW. For instance, the original inspiration for the outer form of the Millenium Falcon was allegedly a half-eaten hamburger Lucas saw:
But to go from this:
to this
is quite an evolotionary step, requiring many talents.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Oct 8, 2018 9:18:04 GMT
Computer controlled motion control was not invented by George Lucas, or his employees for Star Wars. It already existed. Without it, ILM would have had nothing to attach a camera to. They built upon existing technology. If Lucas had wanted to make Star Wars just five years earlier, he would have been shit out of luck. So ... my statement is correct. Nope. Wrong again, cum cake: "We were developing lighting systems, we were developing camera movement and model systems, we were advancing and changing the construction techniques of the models and their scale," says Dykstra, whose effects career spans from 1971's " Silent Running" all the way to this year's "Ghost in the Shell."
Developing the new systems meant stealing from aviation, medical and military technology. "We borrowed technology from everywhere," Dykstra says.
Dykstra recruited Alvah J. Miller and Jerry Jeffress, who he'd worked with at Berkeley's Institute of Urban and Regional Development. Together they'd built a rig that slowly inched a 16 mm camera around a tiny model of Marin County, California, to simulate traffic movement.
They controlled the camera rig by programming a then state-of-the-art PDP-11 computer, a series of 16-bit computers also used for factory automation, air traffic control and even controlling nuclear power stations.
That computer-controlled camera rig laid the foundations for ILM's first major breakthrough in motion and imagery. Where earlier sci-fi films flew a model around in front of the camera, motion control moved the camera and kept the model stationary."thats correct. What people do not realize with the famous opening shot in Star Wars (where the camera pans/moves down on Tatoine and the huge destroyer crashed into the picture) is that the seemingly irrelevent motion camera move is the big technological break through, whereas the star destroyer is merely improved model work/art design rooted in 2001-ASO and Space 1999.
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Post by damngumby on Oct 8, 2018 9:41:47 GMT
Computer controlled motion control was not invented by George Lucas, or his employees for Star Wars. It already existed. Without it, ILM would have had nothing to attach a camera to. They built upon existing technology. If Lucas had wanted to make Star Wars just five years earlier, he would have been shit out of luck. So ... my statement is correct. Nope. Wrong again, cum cake: "We were developing lighting systems, we were developing camera movement and model systems, we were advancing and changing the construction techniques of the models and their scale," says Dykstra, whose effects career spans from 1971's " Silent Running" all the way to this year's "Ghost in the Shell."
Developing the new systems meant stealing from aviation, medical and military technology. "We borrowed technology from everywhere," Dykstra says.
Dykstra recruited Alvah J. Miller and Jerry Jeffress, who he'd worked with at Berkeley's Institute of Urban and Regional Development. Together they'd built a rig that slowly inched a 16 mm camera around a tiny model of Marin County, California, to simulate traffic movement.
They controlled the camera rig by programming a then state-of-the-art PDP-11 computer, a series of 16-bit computers also used for factory automation, air traffic control and even controlling nuclear power stations.
That computer-controlled camera rig laid the foundations for ILM's first major breakthrough in motion and imagery. Where earlier sci-fi films flew a model around in front of the camera, motion control moved the camera and kept the model stationary."Did you really think that quote hurt my argument? Silly Ackbar.
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Post by damngumby on Oct 8, 2018 9:58:24 GMT
Don’t get all butt-hurt, cupcake. ILM certainly gets due credit for putting it all together for Star Wars. That doesn’t negate the fact that they would have been incapable of doing so just a few years earlier when the computer technology wasn’t there. BTW, is that your idea of a reasonable adult discussion? 😂 The point is irrelevant and in no way discounts anything they achieved, nor Lucas'a vision and direction. The point is completely relevant to the fortuitous timing of Star Wars. See DLD Ackbars post for additional information that supports my argument. Did you miss my little smiley that was laughing so hard, tears were streaming from its face. Oh, wait ... I wasn’t suppose to be laughing at you? My bad. BTW, there was no effort on your part to discuss this “reasonably”. You kiddies got all flustered and went on the attack immediately. ... which I also found to be quite humorous. Didn’t you?
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Post by damngumby on Oct 8, 2018 10:32:14 GMT
Well, there are obviously similarities—both to Flash and to The Hidden Fortress. But they’re inspirations for Star Wars, mixed in with Lucas’s own imagination. It’s the same process (as Eliot pointed out) with all artistic creation, including, ahem, KKB’s beloved Marvel movies. well inspiration is the natural basis of ideas.
That goes for the remarkable creative art design too, arguably THE unique selling point of SW. For instance, the original inspiration for the outer form of the Millenium Falcon was allegedly a half-eaten hamburger Lucas saw:
Oh dear ... you kids will believe anything! Actually, the story involves a half eaten hamburger and an olive ... because, you know, olives are frequently served with hamburgers. The fact is, the Millenium Falcon was born out of desperation when the original ship looked too conventional. The artists would come up with a bunch of different designs and Lucas would pick the ones he thought would make the best toys. That merchandising deal he made was brilliant!
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Post by sostie on Oct 8, 2018 11:08:07 GMT
No. Love it or hate it, the Star Wars franchise created something never seen before in terms of art design, technology and story telling structure. How? Lucas has admitted the story structure is based on Joseph Campbell's work which is in turn a study of myths and stories that in some cases have been around for thousands of years Swords of energy/lasers/fire had appeared in numerous books before Reminded me of, and were influenced by Huey, Dewey and Louie from Silent Running Doctor Doom ? The Source from New Gods comic From the off this thread is based on an unfair comparison. If this thread was a question of whether the MCU will ever be as significant in its impact on film then the answer is no. But the thread is about an impact on pop-culture. Star Wars has had an impact beyond the films...merchandise, developed technology etc. A film that branched out into and spawned TV, novels, comics, merchandise etc. It is part of a created universe that started with Star Wars Marvel Comics branched out into and spawned TV, novels, movies, merchandise etc. MCU is part of a created Universe that started with and is part of Marvel Comics. The fairer comparison would be Marvel Comics (and as you mentioned them DC Comics) to Star Wars.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Oct 8, 2018 11:47:08 GMT
well inspiration is the natural basis of ideas.
That goes for the remarkable creative art design too, arguably THE unique selling point of SW. For instance, the original inspiration for the outer form of the Millenium Falcon was allegedly a half-eaten hamburger Lucas saw:
Oh dear ... you kids will believe anything! Actually, the story involves a half eaten hamburger and an olive ... because, you know, olives are frequently served with hamburgers. The fact is, the Millenium Falcon was born out of desperation when the original ship looked too conventional. The artists would come up with a bunch of different designs and Lucas would pick the ones he thought would make the best toys. That merchandising deal he made was brilliant! thus my "allegedly"-...! It's a story so peculiar it could be true - and you bring nothing to disprove it. Still, if they made up the Falcon out of nothing it would be all the more amazingly creative: A big bang!
And I am aware of as to why the original designs for the Falcon were abandoned, not because they were "too conventional" per se but Lucas though the Tantive IV looked too much like the Eagles from Space 1999.
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