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Post by damngumby on Oct 7, 2018 20:19:04 GMT
No. Love it or hate it, the Star Wars franchise created something never seen before in terms of art design, technology and story telling structure. Light sabers, R2-D2, Vader, Troopers, X-Wings, Walkers, Pod Racers, The Force to name a few elements that became part of pop culture and were newly invented per film. Everybody can quote Star wars lines like "May the Force be with you" as they are constantly referenced in media ad nauseam (so too in comic book films), and even people who never seen them know who Luke's father is. The franchise is the template for modern blockbuster movies. It's ingrained in modern pop culture like anything else. The Marvel or DC movies hardly create anything new on that level. They use existing comic books, stories, characters and design from decades of lore. How could these ever become as culturally relevant and iconic as Star Wars if they only successfully recreate things that existed since long in comic and films and have been popular before? What on earth are you jabbering about? Star Wars is little more than Flash Gordon with better FX. Virtually everything in Star Wars was ripped off from another source. The one thing Star War did have going for it was the timing. Lucas was fortunate to make a schlocky B movie at the moment when special effects technology made it possible to film cool space battles ... though the decision to go all in on those silly muppet creatures continues to be an embarrassment ... only supplanted by the even worse racist stereotype digital creatures of the prequels. It’s pretty bad when one of the most well known characters of the series is the cringeworthy Jar Jar Binks. It’s pretty obvious that Lucas didn’t really understand what he accidentally made with the first Star Wars movie when he went back and ruined it.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Oct 7, 2018 20:51:18 GMT
No. Love it or hate it, the Star Wars franchise created something never seen before in terms of art design, technology and story telling structure. Light sabers, R2-D2, Vader, Troopers, X-Wings, Walkers, Pod Racers, The Force to name a few elements that became part of pop culture and were newly invented per film. Everybody can quote Star wars lines like "May the Force be with you" as they are constantly referenced in media ad nauseam (so too in comic book films), and even people who never seen them know who Luke's father is. The franchise is the template for modern blockbuster movies. It's ingrained in modern pop culture like anything else. The Marvel or DC movies hardly create anything new on that level. They use existing comic books, stories, characters and design from decades of lore. How could these ever become as culturally relevant and iconic as Star Wars if they only successfully recreate things that existed since long in comic and films and have been popular before? What on earth are you jabbering about? Star Wars is little more than Flash Gordon with better FX. Virtually everything in Star Wars was ripped off from another source. The one thing Star War did have going for it was the timing. Lucas was fortunate to make a schlocky B movie at the moment when special effects technology made it possible to film cool space battles ... though the decision to go all in on those silly muppet creatures continues to be an embarrassment ... only supplanted by the even worse racist stereotype digital creatures of the prequels. It’s pretty bad when one of the most well known characters of the series is the cringeworthy Jar Jar Binks. It’s pretty obvious that Lucas didn’t really understand what he accidentally made with the first Star Wars movie when he went back and ruined it. So basically it kills you that the MCU could last another century and still wouldn't have contributed as much to the industry as Lucas did with the OT, much less the PT. Got it.
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Oct 7, 2018 21:25:48 GMT
No. MCU will mostly be flushed down the drain of corporate irrelevance. There's no technical or artistic innovations to it--it's like a big budget soap opera.
Star Wars has always had its criticisms but it wasn't propped up by corporate PR like MCU is.
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Oct 7, 2018 21:40:22 GMT
No. Love it or hate it, the Star Wars franchise created something never seen before in terms of art design, technology and story telling structure. Lucas was fortunate to make a schlocky B movie at the moment when special effects technology made it possible to film cool space battles ... This is a 100% false statement. The "special effects technology" used was invented by people that Lucas himself hired, after he told them what he wanted to do.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2018 21:50:48 GMT
No. Love it or hate it, the Star Wars franchise created something never seen before in terms of art design, technology and story telling structure. Light sabers, R2-D2, Vader, Troopers, X-Wings, Walkers, Pod Racers, The Force to name a few elements that became part of pop culture and were newly invented per film. Everybody can quote Star wars lines like "May the Force be with you" as they are constantly referenced in media ad nauseam (so too in comic book films), and even people who never seen them know who Luke's father is. The franchise is the template for modern blockbuster movies. It's ingrained in modern pop culture like anything else. The Marvel or DC movies hardly create anything new on that level. They use existing comic books, stories, characters and design from decades of lore. How could these ever become as culturally relevant and iconic as Star Wars if they only successfully recreate things that existed since long in comic and films and have been popular before? What on earth are you jabbering about? Star Wars is little more than Flash Gordon with better FX. Virtually everything in Star Wars was ripped off from another source. The one thing Star War did have going for it was the timing. Lucas was fortunate to make a schlocky B movie at the moment when special effects technology made it possible to film cool space battles ... though the decision to go all in on those silly muppet creatures continues to be an embarrassment ... only supplanted by the even worse racist stereotype digital creatures of the prequels. It’s pretty bad when one of the most well known characters of the series is the cringeworthy Jar Jar Binks. It’s pretty obvious that Lucas didn’t really understand what he accidentally made with the first Star Wars movie when he went back and ruined it. Pure ignorance. Brady you have hit rock bottom.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Oct 7, 2018 21:54:50 GMT
What on earth are you jabbering about? Star Wars is little more than Flash Gordon with better FX. Virtually everything in Star Wars was ripped off from another source. The one thing Star War did have going for it was the timing. Lucas was fortunate to make a schlocky B movie at the moment when special effects technology made it possible to film cool space battles ... though the decision to go all in on those silly muppet creatures continues to be an embarrassment ... only supplanted by the even worse racist stereotype digital creatures of the prequels. It’s pretty bad when one of the most well known characters of the series is the cringeworthy Jar Jar Binks. It’s pretty obvious that Lucas didn’t really understand what he accidentally made with the first Star Wars movie when he went back and ruined it. Pure ignorance. Brady you have hit rock bottom. I would respectfully disagree and argue that he hit bottom when he ducked your dance-off challenge and has been there ever since. But we agree on the ignorance!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2018 21:58:17 GMT
Pure ignorance. Brady you have hit rock bottom. I would respectfully disagree and argue that he hit bottom when he ducked your dance-off challenge and has been there ever since. But we agree on the ignorance! You know, you're right! That was when Brady showed his true colors.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Oct 7, 2018 22:04:22 GMT
Pure ignorance. Brady you have hit rock bottom. I would respectfully disagree and argue that he hit bottom when he ducked your dance-off challenge and has been there ever since. But we agree on the ignorance! ah, it's a dance off trap! Which would perfectly explain King Kong's notorious hatred for "muppets-in-space". I mean if I got my ass handed royally to me by a bunch of fish-faced sci-fi nerds, I would turn resentful too...
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Oct 7, 2018 22:08:41 GMT
I would respectfully disagree and argue that he hit bottom when he ducked your dance-off challenge and has been there ever since. But we agree on the ignorance! ah, it's a dance off trap! Which would perfectly explain King Kong's notorious hatred for "muppets-in-space". I mean if I got my ass handed royally to me by a bunch of fish-faced sci-fi nerds, I would turn resentful too... And the Ackbars are the most affable blokes on all of the internet. To entice them into even the most lighthearted of adversarial situations, you would have to be a HUGE asshole. Like, "blow-up-Alderaan" or "root-for-the-Patriots" huge. Innit?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2018 22:08:55 GMT
I would respectfully disagree and argue that he hit bottom when he ducked your dance-off challenge and has been there ever since. But we agree on the ignorance! ah, it's a dance off trap! Which would perfectly explain King Kong's notorious hatred for "muppets-in-space". I mean if I got my ass handed royally to me by a bunch of fish-faced sci-fi nerds, I would turn resentful too... Nerds?! Well, I never...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2018 22:09:46 GMT
ah, it's a dance off trap! Which would perfectly explain King Kong's notorious hatred for "muppets-in-space". I mean if I got my ass handed royally to me by a bunch of fish-faced sci-fi nerds, I would turn resentful too... And the Ackbars are the most affable blokes on all of the internet. To entice them into even the most lighthearted of adversarial situations, you would have to be a HUGE asshole. Like, "blow-up-Alderaan" or "root-for-the-Patriots" huge. Innit?
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Post by Nalkarj on Oct 7, 2018 22:14:43 GMT
Serious question: has King Kong Brady ever watched Flash Gordon? (I have—and, now, Star Wars as well.) Somehow I don’t think KKB knows Flash Gordon any more than egon1982 knows C.S. Lewis.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Oct 7, 2018 22:28:56 GMT
Serious question: has King Kong Brady ever watched Flash Gordon? (I have—and, now, Star Wars as well.) Somehow I don’t think KKB knows Flash Gordon any more than egon1982 knows C.S. Lewis. I've seen some old school FG. You know what I've always wanted to watch? The early-80s movie. You ever see that?
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Oct 7, 2018 22:34:07 GMT
Serious question: has King Kong Brady ever watched Flash Gordon? (I have—and, now, Star Wars as well.) Somehow I don’t think KKB knows Flash Gordon any more than egon1982 knows C.S. Lewis. I wanted to say the same thing; Lucas originally intended to do a Gordon film, just could not get the rights. King Kong probably refers to the 80s Flash Gordon version which was strongly influenced in terms of art design by the Star Wars films. I see a connection there. But the original 30s series is very different in design etc; Lucas "borrowed" minor element from this and similar shows like the narrative crawl or rays that can destroy planets (ie space opera tropes) , but character and plot wise these have hardly anything in common. It's an urban myth. Same with that the original Star Wars film is a carbon copy of The Hidden Fortress (which everybody who has seen the films will realize).
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Post by Nalkarj on Oct 7, 2018 22:40:07 GMT
Serious question: has King Kong Brady ever watched Flash Gordon? (I have—and, now, Star Wars as well.) Somehow I don’t think KKB knows Flash Gordon any more than egon1982 knows C.S. Lewis. I've seen some old school FG. You know what I've always wanted to watch? The early-80s movie. You ever see that? I haven’t! Interesting cast…
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Oct 7, 2018 22:48:25 GMT
Serious question: has King Kong Brady ever watched Flash Gordon? (I have—and, now, Star Wars as well.) Somehow I don’t think KKB knows Flash Gordon any more than egon1982 knows C.S. Lewis. I've seen some old school FG. You know what I've always wanted to watch? The early-80s movie. You ever see that? it's beyond good and evil, it's a cult film maybe comparable with Barbarella, but for kids. Have you seen Ted, they pay homage there.
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Post by Nalkarj on Oct 7, 2018 22:53:13 GMT
Serious question: has King Kong Brady ever watched Flash Gordon? (I have—and, now, Star Wars as well.) Somehow I don’t think KKB knows Flash Gordon any more than egon1982 knows C.S. Lewis. I wanted to say the same thing; Lucas originally intended to do a Gordon film, just could not get the rights. King Kong probably refers to the 80s Flash Gordon version which was strongly influenced in terms of art design by the Star Wars films. I see a connection there. But the original 30s series is very different in design etc; Lucas "borrowed" minor element from this and similar shows like the narrative crawl or rays that can destroy planets (ie space opera tropes) , but character and plot wise these have hardly anything in common. It's an urban myth. Same with that the original Star Wars film is a carbon copy of The Hidden Fortress (which everybody who has seen the films will realize). Well, there are obviously similarities—both to Flash and to The Hidden Fortress. But they’re inspirations for Star Wars, mixed in with Lucas’s own imagination. It’s the same process (as Eliot pointed out) with all artistic creation, including, ahem, KKB’s beloved Marvel movies.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2018 1:48:02 GMT
Star Wars has this underpinning it:
Heck, there are even substantial numbers of people who practice the tenets of the Jedi as a religion.
The MCU seems too scattered in this aspect to grab such cultural relevance, and I've got to believe with the diverse characters and their beliefs, I doubt that as strong a shared mythology will ever be able to emerge here as it did with what Lucas created.
I could be wrong, let's see over time where they take this aspect. But for now, the MCU has no FORCE, and no central family saga intertwined in it.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Oct 8, 2018 2:22:41 GMT
Star Wars has this underpinning it: Heck, there are even substantial numbers of people who practice the tenets of the Jedi as a religion. The MCU seems too scattered in this aspect to grab such cultural relevance, and I've got to believe with the diverse characters and their beliefs, I doubt that as strong a shared mythology will ever be able to emerge here as it did with what Lucas created. I could be wrong, let's see over time where they take this aspect. But for now, the MCU has no FORCE, and no central family saga intertwined in it. Plus this: www.starwarsringtheory.comAnd, as we all know, even pathetic haters like WeirdRaptor can't discount or disprove the genius of Ring Theory.
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Oct 8, 2018 2:24:20 GMT
Serious question: has King Kong Brady ever watched Flash Gordon? (I have—and, now, Star Wars as well.) Somehow I don’t think KKB knows Flash Gordon any more than egon1982 knows C.S. Lewis. I've seen some old school FG. You know what I've always wanted to watch? The early-80s movie. You ever see that? Yes, it is great.
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