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Post by Nalkarj on Oct 2, 2018 19:35:40 GMT
Guess we'll just have to agree to disagree on this one. The way I see it, the MCU has already taken the movie world by storm and done things no other movie franchise has ever been able to do... with other franchises doing their best to catch up. But oh well, I won't push my point if you don't share it. My prediction is that in about 20 years or so the MCU would have culturally eclipsed Star Wars in much the same way Star Wars have culturally eclipsed Gone with the Wind or Wizard of Oz today (and my parents would be horrified if you ever told them Star Wars were more culturally impactful than Gone with the Wind). I don’t want to reignite this debate, but I’d like to clarify that I think The Wizard of Oz is as culturally relevant as Star Wars, and Gone with the Wind perhaps only slightly less so. Indeed, Star Wars (the original movie) and The Wizard of Oz are remarkably close, as Ebert noted in comparing them and even Mel Brooks picked up on for Spaceballs.
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Oct 2, 2018 20:00:10 GMT
Guess we'll just have to agree to disagree on this one. The way I see it, the MCU has already taken the movie world by storm and done things no other movie franchise has ever been able to do... with other franchises doing their best to catch up. But oh well, I won't push my point if you don't share it. My prediction is that in about 20 years or so the MCU would have culturally eclipsed Star Wars in much the same way Star Wars have culturally eclipsed Gone with the Wind or Wizard of Oz today (and my parents would be horrified if you ever told them Star Wars were more culturally impactful than Gone with the Wind). I don’t want to reignite this debate, but I’d like to clarify that I think The Wizard of Oz is as culturally relevant as Star Wars, and Gone with the Wind perhaps only slightly less so.
Indeed, Star Wars (the original movie) and The Wizard of Oz are remarkably close, as Ebert noted in comparing them and even Mel Brooks picked up on for Spaceballs. Agreed! i was going to say the same. i just didn't want to prolong the fighting! his casually name dropping two films that are almost 100 years old, alongside STAR WARS, actually proves OUR point!
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Oct 2, 2018 20:13:09 GMT
Guess we'll just have to agree to disagree on this one. The way I see it, the MCU has already taken the movie world by storm and done things no other movie franchise has ever been able to do... with other franchises doing their best to catch up. But oh well, I won't push my point if you don't share it. My prediction is that in about 20 years or so the MCU would have culturally eclipsed Star Wars in much the same way Star Wars have culturally eclipsed Gone with the Wind or Wizard of Oz today (and my parents would be horrified if you ever told them Star Wars were more culturally impactful than Gone with the Wind). I don’t want to reignite this debate, but I’d like to clarify that I think The Wizard of Oz is as culturally relevant as Star Wars, and Gone with the Wind perhaps only slightly less so. Indeed, Star Wars (the original movie) and The Wizard of Oz are remarkably close, as Ebert noted in comparing them and even Mel Brooks picked up on for Spaceballs. To add to that Star Wars iconic status has a "dark side" too: 1. Haters to this day deem it as the movie that "destroyed American auteur cinema" in the 70s as it so drastically changes the movie industry (and winning 10 Oscars en passant). 2. Also a 80s US missile defense program was called Star Wars, and R Reagan called Russia the "Evil Empire", thus the films' popularity were used politically (Lucas did not like)
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Oct 2, 2018 20:16:15 GMT
I don’t want to reignite this debate, but I’d like to clarify that I think The Wizard of Oz is as culturally relevant as Star Wars, and Gone with the Wind perhaps only slightly less so. Indeed, Star Wars (the original movie) and The Wizard of Oz are remarkably close, as Ebert noted in comparing them and even Mel Brooks picked up on for Spaceballs. To add to that Star Wars iconic status has a "dark side" too: 1. Haters to this day deem it as the movie that "destroyed American auteur cinema" in the 70s as it so drastically changes the movie industry (and winning 10 Oscars en passant). 2. Also a 80s US missile defense program was called Star Wars, and R Reagan called Russia the "Evil Empire", thus the films' popularity were used politically (Lucas did not like) Fun Fact: George would not approve STAR WARS vitamins, because he did not want to teach "pill popping" to children!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2018 20:27:25 GMT
I still don’t think Marvel’s as big a “culturally relevant” property as many folks on this board are claiming. I really don’t. Both from in-person interactions and over the Internet, I’d say a large majority consider them fun and forgettable (which isn’t a bad thing, but the point stands). Sorry. Star Wars is big, Superman, Batman, and Spider-Man are big, Elvis is big, the Beatles are big, the Disney characters (Mickey, Goofy, Donald, etc.) are big—but Marvel’s superheroes? They’re certainly more in the mainstream, but on the level as the ones above? Certainly not. Amen to that! I enjoy the MCU as much as anyone (well, maybe not as much as Arch Shanston) but these are not cultural milestone movies by any means. Not only does the MCU pale in comparison to Star Wars, it pales in comparison to a whole ton of past blockbusters in terms of cultural impact. Enjoying the MCU is fine - great even, but someone help these zealots that think it's the best thing ever created. I mean, come on!
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Oct 2, 2018 20:29:22 GMT
To add to that Star Wars iconic status has a "dark side" too: 1. Haters to this day deem it as the movie that "destroyed American auteur cinema" in the 70s as it so drastically changes the movie industry (and winning 10 Oscars en passant). 2. Also a 80s US missile defense program was called Star Wars, and R Reagan called Russia the "Evil Empire", thus the films' popularity were used politically (Lucas did not like) Fun Fact: George would not approve STAR WARS vitamins, because he did not want to teach "pill popping" to children! I did not know, but at least he is consistent. "Greed can be a powerful ally". But: "You do not want to sell me death sticks: You want to go home and rethink your life!"
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Post by Nalkarj on Oct 2, 2018 20:33:55 GMT
I still don’t think Marvel’s as big a “culturally relevant” property as many folks on this board are claiming. I really don’t. Both from in-person interactions and over the Internet, I’d say a large majority consider them fun and forgettable (which isn’t a bad thing, but the point stands). Sorry. Star Wars is big, Superman, Batman, and Spider-Man are big, Elvis is big, the Beatles are big, the Disney characters (Mickey, Goofy, Donald, etc.) are big—but Marvel’s superheroes? They’re certainly more in the mainstream, but on the level as the ones above? Certainly not. Amen to that! I enjoy the MCU as much as anyone (well, maybe not as much as Arch Shanston) but these are not cultural milestone movies by any means. Not only does the MCU pale in comparison to Star Wars, it pales in comparison to a whole ton of past blockbusters in terms of cultural impact. Enjoying the MCU is fine - great even, but someone help these zealots that think it's the best thing ever created. I mean, come on! I keep feeling that I’m always attacking the MCU here, which I feel bad in doing because I really do enjoy many of its movies. Heck, I really liked Iron Man 2 and 3 (which Power Ranger isn’t going to stop ribbing me for). Raptor, Sam, Norm, Archie, et al. probably wouldn’t believe me if they were here, but I like these movies (as fun, goofy superhero flicks). I got a big smile on my face even when I first saw Captain America, with all the Rocketeer-esque ‘40s atmosphere and flag-waving. It’s just that I feel that folks here overdo everything. The MCU can’t just be good, it has to be THE GREATEST OF ALL TIME AND IF YOU DON’T AGREE YOU’RE A TROLL AND AN IDIOT! (Usually expressed in all-caps, at that.) It’s equal in fan-obsession to DC-Fan ’s freaking out and doing his “LOL, Marvel fans are all idiot kiddies” schtick. And it’s equally wrong.
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Post by sostie on Oct 2, 2018 20:36:27 GMT
That or you were just unwilling to pick up on the all-too-obvious sarcasm and the unsubtle satirical hyperbole of this post. What did not give it away…? Leitkultur? Nutjobbery? Rift between Westerners? Garbage Tier Media? Leading Word Icons? Order 66? Eat your heart out Tchaikovsky? Poe's law maybe... Hmmm, says something if your "obvious sarcasm" comes across as one of your genuine replies
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Oct 2, 2018 20:38:30 GMT
Enjoying the MCU is fine - great even, but someone help these zealots that think it's the best thing ever created. I mean, come on! THE GREATEST OF ALL TIME AND IF YOU DON’T AGREE YOU’RE A TROLL AND AN IDIOT! (Usually expressed in all-caps, at that.) It’s equal in fan-obsession to DC-Fan ’s freaking out and doing his “LOL, Marvel fans are all idiot kiddies” schtick and let's not even mention AC/DC-Fan's whole "AC/DC IZ THE GRATEST BAND EVAR !!!!!" schtick
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Post by Nalkarj on Oct 2, 2018 20:39:38 GMT
The MCU can’t just be good, it has to be THE GREATEST OF ALL TIME AND IF YOU DON’T AGREE YOU’RE A TROLL AND AN IDIOT! (Usually expressed in all-caps, at that.) It’s equal in fan-obsession to DC-Fan ’s freaking out and doing his “LOL, Marvel fans are all idiot kiddies” schtick. And it’s equally wrong. and let's not even mention AC/DC-Fan's whole "AC/DC IZ THE GRATEST BAND EVAR !!!!!" schtick Well, we know that guy’s a loony! Come on, now!
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Oct 2, 2018 20:41:04 GMT
and let's not even mention AC/DC-Fan's whole "AC/DC IZ THE GRATEST BAND EVAR !!!!!" schtick Well, we know that guy’s a loony! Come on, now!
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Oct 2, 2018 20:42:19 GMT
So which franchise is the best?
Star Wars or Star Trek!
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Post by Nalkarj on Oct 2, 2018 20:42:43 GMT
I still don’t think Marvel’s as big a “culturally relevant” property as many folks on this board are claiming. I really don’t. Both from in-person interactions and over the Internet, I’d say a large majority consider them fun and forgettable (which isn’t a bad thing, but the point stands). Sorry. Star Wars is big, Superman, Batman, and Spider-Man are big, Elvis is big, the Beatles are big, the Disney characters (Mickey, Goofy, Donald, etc.) are big—but Marvel’s superheroes? They’re certainly more in the mainstream, but on the level as the ones above? Certainly not. Amen to that! I enjoy the MCU as much as anyone (well, maybe not as much as Arch Shanston) but these are not cultural milestone movies by any means. Not only does the MCU pale in comparison to Star Wars, it pales in comparison to a whole ton of past blockbusters in terms of cultural impact. Enjoying the MCU is fine - great even, but someone help these zealots that think it's the best thing ever created. I mean, come on! Big MCU fans are going to hate this, but just in terms of superhero movies, I think it pales not only to the Nolan trilogy but also to the Raimi Spideys. Those movies, even the third one, were events in the public consciousness.
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Oct 2, 2018 20:44:51 GMT
it pales in comparison to a whole ton of past blockbusters in terms of cultural impact. MCU... pales not only to the Nolan trilogy but also to the Raimi Spideys.
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Oct 2, 2018 20:45:57 GMT
So which franchise is the best? Star Wars or Star Trek! Fun Fact: I used to tell people I would go see any film that had STAR in the title!
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Post by Skaathar on Oct 2, 2018 21:23:31 GMT
I still don’t think Marvel’s as big a “culturally relevant” property as many folks on this board are claiming. I really don’t. Both from in-person interactions and over the Internet, I’d say a large majority consider them fun and forgettable (which isn’t a bad thing, but the point stands). Sorry. Star Wars is big, Superman, Batman, and Spider-Man are big, Elvis is big, the Beatles are big, the Disney characters (Mickey, Goofy, Donald, etc.) are big—but Marvel’s superheroes? They’re certainly more in the mainstream, but on the level as the ones above? Certainly not. Amen to that! I enjoy the MCU as much as anyone (well, maybe not as much as Arch Shanston) but these are not cultural milestone movies by any means. Not only does the MCU pale in comparison to Star Wars, it pales in comparison to a whole ton of past blockbusters in terms of cultural impact. Enjoying the MCU is fine - great even, but someone help these zealots that think it's the best thing ever created. I mean, come on! I don't think the MCU is the best thing ever created, but neither do I think Star Wars is the best thing ever created.
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Oct 2, 2018 21:32:33 GMT
Enjoying the MCU is fine - great even, but someone help these zealots that think it's the best thing ever created. I mean, come on! I don't think the MCU is the best thing ever created, but neither do I think Star Wars is the best thing ever created.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Oct 2, 2018 21:50:15 GMT
I don't think the MCU is the best thing ever created, but neither do I think Star Wars is the best thing ever created. Ban him!!!!1
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Post by Marv on Oct 2, 2018 22:28:58 GMT
Id say it probably already is...and its definitely got more enjoyable movies within its franchise.
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Post by Skaathar on Oct 2, 2018 23:05:52 GMT
One thing I know is that the MCU has more consistent quality across its films than Star Wars.
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