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Post by sostie on Oct 2, 2018 16:02:27 GMT
Source? I can only find one reference to that and it's a one line claim by someone on Reddit. you do not want to know
I do
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Post by Skaathar on Oct 2, 2018 16:16:49 GMT
No. I don't expect you to understand. After all, you weren't even born yet. Yes, and you (presumably being quite older than I am) are blinded by nostalgia and thus don't understand the cultural impact of MCU in the future. The kids of today are growing up with the MCU. Star Wars for them is TFA and TLJ... not exactly milestones in the movie industry today. If they watch the original trilogy it won't resonate with them the same way it did the older generation, and the movies will seem dated now whereas the MCU shows no signs of slowing down.
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Oct 2, 2018 16:23:14 GMT
No. I don't expect you to understand. After all, you weren't even born yet. Yes, and you (presumably being quite older than I am) are blinded by nostalgia and thus don't understand the cultural impact of MCU in the future. The kids of today are growing up with the MCU. Star Wars for them is TFA and TLJ... not exactly milestones in the movie industry today. If they watch the original trilogy it won't resonate with them the same way it did the older generation, and the movies will seem dated now whereas the MCU shows no signs of slowing down. That is a fair enough point, but ( at the risk of sounding like a smart ass ) I guarantee that we will never see articles like the ones I posted, written about IRON MAN (2008) p.s. I turn 49 today
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Post by Nalkarj on Oct 2, 2018 16:24:20 GMT
No. I don't expect you to understand. After all, you weren't even born yet. Yes, and you (presumably being quite older than I am) are blinded by nostalgia and thus don't understand the cultural impact of MCU in the future. The kids of today are growing up with the MCU. Star Wars for them is TFA and TLJ... not exactly milestones in the movie industry today. If they watch the original trilogy it won't resonate with them the same way it did the older generation, and the movies will seem dated now whereas the MCU shows no signs of slowing down. That’s an incredibly low blow, skaathar, and quite unlike you. Someone can equally say you’re too young and are blinded by your love of the MCU. See how easy the game is? And it wouldn’t be fair to say that about you, and it’s not fair to say what you said about President Ackbar™.
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Post by sostie on Oct 2, 2018 16:25:41 GMT
The most culturally relevant is probably one of the following
Elvis The Beatles DC Marvel Star Trek Star Wars
And less obviously, Sex Pistols
The top one I'd say impossible to pick. And few were influenced by one of the others.
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Oct 2, 2018 16:26:24 GMT
NalkarjI'm not offended ( this time ) Just because I am old, doesn't mean I am wrong. After all, I am the one with dozens of articles to support my point.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Oct 2, 2018 16:26:33 GMT
you want the truth. You can't handle the truth! Ask yourself:
1. What was the reason Superman changed the colors of his underpants, the real reason I mean? 2. Why did Batman lose his Batnipples, entirely I mean? 3. Why did the weirdraptor come back in form of a black woman after his foul-mouthed self-deletion? 4. What do items 1 to 3 have to do with Little Ponies?
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Post by Nalkarj on Oct 2, 2018 16:29:37 GMT
I still don’t think Marvel’s as big a “culturally relevant” property as many folks on this board are claiming. I really don’t. Both from in-person interactions and over the Internet, I’d say a large majority consider them fun and forgettable (which isn’t a bad thing, but the point stands). Sorry. Star Wars is big, Superman, Batman, and Spider-Man are big, Elvis is big, the Beatles are big, the Disney characters (Mickey, Goofy, Donald, etc.) are big—but Marvel’s superheroes? They’re certainly more in the mainstream, but on the level as the ones above? Certainly not.
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Post by sostie on Oct 2, 2018 16:31:06 GMT
you want the truth. You can't handle the truth! Ask yourself:
1. What was the reason Superman changed the colors of his underpants, the real reason I mean? 2. Why did Batman lose his Batnipples, entirely I mean? 3. Why did the weirdraptor come back in form of a black woman after his foul-mouthed self-deletion? 4. What do items 1 to 3 have to do with Little Ponies?
Nope, just want to know where it says Russian trolls targeted BvS to create a rift between the Western people.
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Post by Nalkarj on Oct 2, 2018 16:32:04 GMT
Nalkarj I'm not offended ( this time ) Just because I am old, doesn't mean I am wrong. After all, I am the one with dozens of articles to support my point. 1. You’re not old. 2. I just think Skaathar’s comment was a low blow. Claiming someone is blinded by nostalgia because of age is a common way to bypass actual logical argument and discussion.
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Post by Skaathar on Oct 2, 2018 16:38:22 GMT
Yes, and you (presumably being quite older than I am) are blinded by nostalgia and thus don't understand the cultural impact of MCU in the future. The kids of today are growing up with the MCU. Star Wars for them is TFA and TLJ... not exactly milestones in the movie industry today. If they watch the original trilogy it won't resonate with them the same way it did the older generation, and the movies will seem dated now whereas the MCU shows no signs of slowing down. That’s an incredibly low blow, skaathar, and quite unlike you. Someone can equally say you’re too young and are blinded by your love of the MCU. See how easy the game is? And it wouldn’t be fair to say that about you, and it’s not fair to say what you said about President Ackbar™ . Sorry, I apologize. I didn't mean it to sound as bad as it did, just that I didn't put as much time explaining myself and it came out a bit terse. Though I do admit his response to me of "I don't expect you to understand. After all, you weren't even born yet" was a factor in my terse reply. What I mean is that everyone who grew up with Star Wars will obviously think that was the biggest thing to happen in cinema because it was the biggest thing to happen in cinema during their time when they were kids, and kids are very impressionable. Not to toot my own horn but I didn't grow up with Star Wars... but neither did I grow up with the MCU. The first time I watched a Star Wars movie was in the late 80's but didn't really appreciate them till early to mid 90's... and even by then the effects and storyline had already started feeling dated for my generation. On the other hand, I didn't get to watch an MCU movie till I was already an adult and part of the work force. What I'm trying to say is that neither of these movies hold any special nostalgia for me since I didn't grow up with either of them. But the kids of today are growing up with the MCU, and if you talk to them you'll know that majority of them hold MCU movies in higher regard than Star wars. By the time they're adults, the MCU will be (to them) the biggest turning point in movie history, much in the same way as the older generation think it's Star Wars. But people who grew up with nostalgia on Star Wars will obviously have difficulties seeing the MCU through the same eyes as kids nowadays. Like I said in my original post, the cultural impact of the MCU won't be fully felt till a decade or two from now, when the kids and teens of today will be the adults in boards like these discussing these movies.
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Oct 2, 2018 16:43:10 GMT
I just want to make it clear that I am NOT choosing STAR WARS because of nostalgia, BUT because of it's lasting ( and monumental ) impact on film and culture ( as evidenced by the articles I posted )
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Post by Nalkarj on Oct 2, 2018 16:46:59 GMT
Oh well. Speaking for myself, I can only say that I’m certainly not blinded by nostalgia either about Star Wars or Marvel. For heaven’s sake, I watched a Star Wars movie for the very first time only a few months ago! But I think it’s an immediately recognizable cultural phenomenon in a way that the MCU is not. Maybe you’re right, Skaathar, and the MCU will become an immediately recognizable phenomenon. (Spoiler: I don’t think it will.) But it hasn’t, not yet. Really, saying that it has is just as silly as DC-Fan’s claim that no one in the public cares about the MCU. Both claims are far too extreme.
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Oct 2, 2018 16:48:47 GMT
Oh well. Speaking for myself, I can only say that I’m certainly not blinded by nostalgia either about Star Wars or Marvel. For heaven’s sake, I watched a Star Wars movie for the very first time only a few months ago! But I think it’s an immediately recognizable cultural phenomenon in a way that the MCU is not. Maybe you’re right, Skaathar , and the MCU will become an immediately recognizable phenomenon. (Spoiler: I don’t think it will.) But it hasn’t, not yet. Really, saying that it has is just as silly as DC-Fan ’s claim that no one in the public cares about the MCU. Both claims are far too extreme. BRILLIANT!
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Oct 2, 2018 16:49:26 GMT
you want the truth. You can't handle the truth! Ask yourself:
1. What was the reason Superman changed the colors of his underpants, the real reason I mean? 2. Why did Batman lose his Batnipples, entirely I mean? 3. Why did the weirdraptor come back in form of a black woman after his foul-mouthed self-deletion? 4. What do items 1 to 3 have to do with Little Ponies?
Nope, just want to know where it says Russian trolls targeted BvS to create a rift between the Western people. sounds like a bunch of BS if you ask me. I would not buy that for a Ruble! Who would even say that?
Did you ever read the book "Russian Source Trolling for Dummies" (1016) or my publication "I was trolled by an Austro-Australian" (2018) ...?
You might find all the sources you seek there.
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Post by Skaathar on Oct 2, 2018 16:55:34 GMT
Oh well. Speaking for myself, I can only say that I’m certainly not blinded by nostalgia either about Star Wars or Marvel. For heaven’s sake, I watched a Star Wars movie for the very first time only a few months ago! But I think it’s an immediately recognizable cultural phenomenon in a way that the MCU is not. Maybe you’re right, Skaathar , and the MCU will become an immediately recognizable phenomenon. (Spoiler: I don’t think it will.) But it hasn’t, not yet. Really, saying that it has is just as silly as DC-Fan ’s claim that no one in the public cares about the MCU. Both claims are far too extreme. Guess we'll just have to agree to disagree on this one. The way I see it, the MCU has already taken the movie world by storm and done things no other movie franchise has ever been able to do... with other franchises doing their best to catch up. But oh well, I won't push my point if you don't share it. My prediction is that in about 20 years or so the MCU would have culturally eclipsed Star Wars in much the same way Star Wars have culturally eclipsed Gone with the Wind or Wizard of Oz today (and my parents would be horrified if you ever told them Star Wars were more culturally impactful than Gone with the Wind).
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Post by Nalkarj on Oct 2, 2018 16:58:20 GMT
Oh well. Speaking for myself, I can only say that I’m certainly not blinded by nostalgia either about Star Wars or Marvel. For heaven’s sake, I watched a Star Wars movie for the very first time only a few months ago! But I think it’s an immediately recognizable cultural phenomenon in a way that the MCU is not. Maybe you’re right, Skaathar , and the MCU will become an immediately recognizable phenomenon. (Spoiler: I don’t think it will.) But it hasn’t, not yet. Really, saying that it has is just as silly as DC-Fan ’s claim that no one in the public cares about the MCU. Both claims are far too extreme. Guess we'll just have to agree to disagree on this one. The way I see it, the MCU has already taken the movie world by storm and done things no other movie franchise has ever been able to do... with other franchises doing their best to catch up. But oh well, I won't push my point if you don't share it. My prediction is that in about 20 years or so the MCU would have culturally eclipsed Star Wars in much the same way Star Wars have culturally eclipsed Gone with the Wind or Wizard of Oz today. All right. I don’t see it at all, so as you said, let’s agree to disagree.
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Post by sostie on Oct 2, 2018 16:58:46 GMT
Nope, just want to know where it says Russian trolls targeted BvS to create a rift between the Western people. sounds like a bunch of BS if you ask me. I would not buy that for a Ruble! Who would even say that?
Did you ever read the book "Russian Source Trolling for Dummies" (1016) or my publication "I was trolled by an Austro-Australian" (2018) ...?
You might find all the sources you seek there.
Ah. So you lied
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Oct 2, 2018 18:49:09 GMT
sounds like a bunch of BS if you ask me. I would not buy that for a Ruble! Who would even say that?
Did you ever read the book "Russian Source Trolling for Dummies" (1016) or my publication "I was trolled by an Austro-Australian" (2018) ...?
You might find all the sources you seek there.
Ah. So you lied That or you were just unwilling to pick up on the all-too-obvious sarcasm and the unsubtle satirical hyperbole of this post. What did not give it away…? Leitkultur? Nutjobbery? Rift between Westerners? Garbage Tier Media? Leading Word Icons? Order 66? Eat your heart out Tchaikovsky? Poe's law maybe...
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Oct 2, 2018 19:26:57 GMT
I just want to make it clear that I am NOT choosing STAR WARS because of nostalgia, BUT because of it's lasting ( and monumental ) impact on film and culture ( as evidenced by the articles I posted ) Well, and that's it -- Star Wars ('77) alone changed filmmaking in huge ways. The MCU may have found new ways to string together shoddy sequels about D-listers that convince casuals and kids to part with their dollars, but it's never been about revolutionizing the way films are made. Star Wars, in the grandest scheme of things, is so much more important than the faddish hiccup of the MCU that the question itself is ridiculous. What moron even made the comparison in the first place?!
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