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Post by moviemouth on Nov 2, 2020 4:07:28 GMT
That is usually what people believe or hope for. That you will be reborn or awaken in a meta-universe or "heaven" etc. There is also the idea that everything just keeps repeating over and over for eternity. That once you die, you will be reborn as yourself again once everything is rebooted so to speak and you will live the same exact life again. That's the gist of it with the first one I'm sure, but I've never met anybody who thinks that they'll live the exact life again, but rather a different sort of life through reincarnation. The latter sounds to me like the movie K Pax as that's the only place I've heard that idea brought up. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternal_returnThe basic premise proceeds from the assumption that the probability of a world coming into existence exactly like our own is nonzero. If space and time are infinite, then it follows logically that our existence must recur an infinite number of times. This would apply within the eternal multiverse hypothesis. Also this. Though the big bounce is not necessarily the same as eternal recurrence.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Nov 2, 2020 4:08:47 GMT
Okay, I've thought about it for years, and here's what I think. If physical death = nonexistence, we'll never know it. I'll be out of my pain. You can't have pain without first having existence, yes? You have a very good point but what about the decay of quality of life that nearly everybody experiences before death, like memory loss, slowing reflexes, and the feeling you get that you're about to be no more? I'm 56 and in good health, but if that should happen to me I'll be glad to get it over with and move on.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Nov 2, 2020 4:14:54 GMT
Pretty much. I was fine with the idea in my teens, but I think one day I started hating life less, or lost that supposed feeling of teen immortality, because I've wrestled with it throughout my 20s. Of course, it's not gonna make any difference once I'm dead so it's a waste of precious time worrying about it, it's just crazy to think that one day it's all gonna be gone. Hard to quantify, except that we basically "know" what it was like before we existed.
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Post by moviemouth on Nov 2, 2020 4:30:49 GMT
Pretty much. I was fine with the idea in my teens, but I think one day I started hating life less, or lost that supposed feeling of teen immortality, because I've wrestled with it throughout my 20s. Of course, it's not gonna make any difference once I'm dead so it's a waste of precious time worrying about it, it's just crazy to think that one day it's all gonna be gone. Hard to quantify, except that we basically "know" what it was like before we existed. I have a love/hate relationship with life and always have, so I am slightly bothered by the idea of death, but sort of don't care at the same time. I am more or less already bored with life. I also suffer from depression, extreme anxiety, intrusive obsessive thoughts and have misanthropic tendencies that make the idea of being dead better for me and probably better for the people who care much more about other people. Meaning that humanity would be better off without people like me in it.
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Post by gw on Nov 2, 2020 4:45:46 GMT
That's the gist of it with the first one I'm sure, but I've never met anybody who thinks that they'll live the exact life again, but rather a different sort of life through reincarnation. The latter sounds to me like the movie K Pax as that's the only place I've heard that idea brought up. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternal_returnThe basic premise proceeds from the assumption that the probability of a world coming into existence exactly like our own is nonzero. If space and time are infinite, then it follows logically that our existence must recur an infinite number of times. This would apply within the eternal multiverse hypothesis. Also this. Though the big bounce is not necessarily the same as eternal recurrence. I wonder if that were the case whether the universe would return in exactly the same way. We don't know whether the renewed post-crunch universe would support life. Also, unrelated to how it happens, there could be a universe where everything seems the same but there's some subtle difference that goes undetected. I think that while your idea might make for a more interesting philosophical idea, that would make for a more interesting story.
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Post by moviemouth on Nov 2, 2020 4:49:48 GMT
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternal_returnThe basic premise proceeds from the assumption that the probability of a world coming into existence exactly like our own is nonzero. If space and time are infinite, then it follows logically that our existence must recur an infinite number of times. This would apply within the eternal multiverse hypothesis. Also this. Though the big bounce is not necessarily the same as eternal recurrence. I wonder if that were the case whether the universe would return in exactly the same way. We don't know whether the renewed post-crunch universe would support life. Also, unrelated to how it happens, there could be a universe where everything seems the same but there's some subtle difference that goes undetected. I think that while your idea might make for a more interesting philosophical idea, that would make for a more interesting story. I might agree with that. It isn't my idea though, it is usually credited to Friedrich Nietzsche. These are basically just interesting philosophical ideas that can't be proven impossible and that is what makes them appealing.
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Post by gw on Nov 2, 2020 4:53:16 GMT
I wonder if that were the case whether the universe would return in exactly the same way. We don't know whether the renewed post-crunch universe would support life. Also, unrelated to how it happens, there could be a universe where everything seems the same but there's some subtle difference that goes undetected. I think that while your idea might make for a more interesting philosophical idea, that would make for a more interesting story.I might agree with that. It isn't my idea though, it is usually credited to Friedrich Nietzsche. These are basically just interesting philosophical ideas that can't be proven impossible and that is what makes them appealing. I know. I just meant that you brought it up.
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Post by moviemouth on Nov 2, 2020 4:57:59 GMT
I might agree with that. It isn't my idea though, it is usually credited to Friedrich Nietzsche. These are basically just interesting philosophical ideas that can't be proven impossible and that is what makes them appealing. I know. I just meant that you brought it up. Okay. I love this kind of stuff. An infinite amount of monkeys with an infinite amount of typewriters and an infinite amount of "time" will write the collective works of Shakespeare. This stuff is just fascinating to think about. I would take it even further and say those monkeys would write everything that has ever been written in the history of mankind, though that is basically what the idea is anyway.
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Post by Feologild Oakes on Nov 2, 2020 9:16:41 GMT
No
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Post by Xcalatë on Nov 2, 2020 9:42:33 GMT
Not at all. I think its the only thing that makes all humans truly equal because no matter who you are or what you do, We will all eventually end up in oblivion.
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Post by Stammerhead on Nov 2, 2020 13:02:37 GMT
I suppose it must do a bit because I haven’t actually tried to kill myself yet.
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Post by Catman on Nov 2, 2020 13:22:57 GMT
Nope.
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Post by Nora on Nov 2, 2020 13:36:24 GMT
Not the process of dying, but the state of no longer existing? This is even for people who believe in an afterlife. If it was proved that there is no such thing as an afterlife and that death is that you simply cease to exist in every way, does that frighten you? yes very much so... it started when I was about 35-36. And only intensified since then. To the point that I now find it quite disruptive to my life and will probably need to seek help.
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Post by Nora on Nov 2, 2020 13:37:15 GMT
It doesn't scare me at all. like the above poster, I know this is not my home. I would love to have this attitude but how does one get one? Is it because you believe in afterlife?
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Post by moviemouth on Nov 2, 2020 14:58:31 GMT
Not the process of dying, but the state of no longer existing? This is even for people who believe in an afterlife. If it was proved that there is no such thing as an afterlife and that death is that you simply cease to exist in every way, does that frighten you? yes very much so... it started when I was about 35-36. And only intensified since then. To the point that I now find it quite disruptive to my life and will probably need to seek help. That is unfortunate.
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Post by Panther on Nov 2, 2020 15:13:15 GMT
Yes because it's hard to imagine being in heaven where everyone is happy all the time and not thinking about life here. Also being in a spirit body - although only temporary.
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Post by Nicko's Nose on Nov 2, 2020 15:34:50 GMT
Not the process of dying, but the state of no longer existing? This is even for people who believe in an afterlife. If it was proved that there is no such thing as an afterlife and that death is that you simply cease to exist in every way, does that frighten you? yes very much so... it started when I was about 35-36. And only intensified since then. To the point that I now find it quite disruptive to my life and will probably need to seek help. I feel for you. It’s really a terrible feeling.
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Post by enigma72 on Nov 2, 2020 16:05:20 GMT
It doesn't scare me at all. like the above poster, I know this is not my home. I would love to have this attitude but how does one get one? Is it because you believe in afterlife? Yes Nora. I believe in God. I have no fear.
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Post by Ass_E9 on Nov 2, 2020 16:16:01 GMT
As long as there is no reincarnation and thus having to go through this all over again, no.
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Post by enigma72 on Nov 2, 2020 16:27:26 GMT
As long as there is no reincarnation and thus having to go through this all over again, no. Some near death experiences suggest this Asse9 I pray I don't have to come back. Lol
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