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Post by moviemouth on Nov 3, 2020 20:20:47 GMT
Have you ever heard of a hypothetical? Are you so lacking in imagination that you can't imagine there being nothing after death? I think my question only works for people who aren't stubborn. I can answer any hypothetical question you can ask me. Okay, fine. My imagination is stupefying in its hugeness (check my signature) and contemplating the eternal void terrifies me. As a matter of fact, my imagination is bigger than Norma Stitz' brassiere! Thank you for answering the question.
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Post by dirtypillows on Nov 3, 2020 20:23:09 GMT
Okay, fine. My imagination is stupefying in its hugeness (check my signature) and contemplating the eternal void terrifies me. As a matter of fact, my imagination is bigger than Norma Stitz' brassiere! Thank you for answering the question. You're welcome.
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Post by moviemouth on Nov 3, 2020 20:29:13 GMT
Thank you for answering the question. You're welcome. What do you mean by eternal void btw? You wouldn't be aware of any void because you wouldn't "be." Unless your idea of what non-existence means is different from mine.
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Post by moviemouth on Nov 3, 2020 20:39:00 GMT
Not at all, because the reverse in a sense before my birth is nothingness to me also. I have been knocked out before (fell backwards into metal shelving), a long 2 seconds, & it was just literally nothing. I believe the living's sense of imagination drives most of our fears, including death... when in fact reality often proves how overblown that is. I'm not a fatalist, but I'm not afraid of being dead I guess. I am afraid of certain ways of dying of course lols. Don't drop an ICBM over my roof & please don't leave me locked in a burning house k thx. Apples & oranges - I sometimes ponder how our sense of life & death would alter if we had human life expectancies of 999 years instead of about 79, including criminal consequences. How could we populate the finite planet Earth if we lived so many hundreds of years? Would there be enough food on Earth?? What would we do to murderers who offed a 12yr old with 900yrs stolen? Are we talking sci-fi horror punishments? lols That's the stuff where I realize we are literally Earthlings & that this planetary evolved existence of ours is evolutionary circumstance. Maybe we'd not even last 100,000yrs if we'd started out living that long. We are almost on the exact same page. As to the second part, obviously things would be much different if we lived 999 years. It is silly to even speculate imo. I am not afraid of being dead (that is just silly), but the idea of not being alive depresses me. Though this is only because of the people I love. If all the people I love died before me, then I would rather be dead than alive. If I had a choice between life in prison or the death penalty, I would choose the death penalty.
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Post by dirtypillows on Nov 3, 2020 20:46:39 GMT
You're welcome. What do you mean by eternal void btw? You wouldn't be aware of any void because you wouldn't "be." Unless your idea of what non-existence means is different from mine. okay, but then if I wouldn't "be", then how would I have any feelings about anything? I am talking about right now. I am responding to your question in the "right now". After I'm dead, obviously I will not be scared or feeling anything! When I refer to the "eternal void" I am projecting myself into the ultimate recesses of space, something that cannot be fathomed. In order to answer your, I made the leap of faith, but it is my personal belief system that everything is circular, as in there is no beginning and there is no end. This is what works best for me!
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Post by moviemouth on Nov 3, 2020 20:48:26 GMT
Not at all, because the reverse in a sense before my birth is nothingness to me also. I have been knocked out before (fell backwards into metal shelving), a long 2 seconds, & it was just literally nothing. Sleep fits with that too. When you wake up from sleeping you are aware of missing time.
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Post by moviemouth on Nov 3, 2020 20:54:16 GMT
What do you mean by eternal void btw? You wouldn't be aware of any void because you wouldn't "be." Unless your idea of what non-existence means is different from mine. okay, but then if I wouldn't "be", then how would I have any feelings about anything? I am talking about right now. I am responding to your question in the "right now". After I'm dead, obviously I will not be scared or feeling anything! Maybe I am looking at it from a different perspective and that is what is causing the misunderstanding. The idea of "non-existence" doesn't scare me, because of what non-existence would entail by definition. Because I believe death is non-existence (though I don't know for certain obviously), it doesn't scare me. Maybe I am just doing horribly at explaining myself. It might have to do with the fact that I am already sort of bored of being alive.
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Post by twothousandonemark on Nov 3, 2020 21:01:16 GMT
Not at all, because the reverse in a sense before my birth is nothingness to me also. I have been knocked out before (fell backwards into metal shelving), a long 2 seconds, & it was just literally nothing. Sleep fits with that too. When you wake up from sleeping you are aware of missing time. Well, REM dreaming feels alive... & I don't mean in some existential dramatic way. If we didn't dream ever, & I guess some don't, that'd feel like a void.
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Post by dirtypillows on Nov 3, 2020 21:03:20 GMT
okay, but then if I wouldn't "be", then how would I have any feelings about anything? I am talking about right now. I am responding to your question in the "right now". After I'm dead, obviously I will not be scared or feeling anything! Maybe I am looking at it from a different perspective and that is what is causing the misunderstanding. The idea of "non-existence" doesn't scare me, because of what non-existence would entail by definition. Because I believe death is non-existence (though I don't know for certain obviously), it doesn't scare me. Maybe I am just doing horribly at explaining myself. It might have to do with the fact that I am already sort of bored of being alive. it's kind of interesting that you brought up the subject because yesterday I started reading "Tuesdays with Morrie", which is largely about the dying process. On my off days, death can scare me quite a bit. But to go through what the book's protagonist went through, i.e. ALS, and not being able to breathe without assistance scares me to no end. I would rather go just right then and there than to have to experience chronic suffocation. Poor guy!
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Post by dirtypillows on Nov 3, 2020 21:04:28 GMT
Sleep fits with that too. When you wake up from sleeping you are aware of missing time. Well, REM dreaming feels alive... & I don't mean in some existential dramatic way. If we didn't dream ever, & I guess some don't, that'd feel like a void. I love my dreams. In a way I feel more alive when I'm dreaming that at any other time in my life.
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Post by moviemouth on Nov 3, 2020 21:05:57 GMT
Sleep fits with that too. When you wake up from sleeping you are aware of missing time. Well, REM dreaming feels alive... & I don't mean in some existential dramatic way. If we didn't dream ever, & I guess some don't, that'd feel like a void. I mean when you aren't dreaming.
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Post by moviemouth on Nov 3, 2020 21:08:46 GMT
Maybe I am looking at it from a different perspective and that is what is causing the misunderstanding. The idea of "non-existence" doesn't scare me, because of what non-existence would entail by definition. Because I believe death is non-existence (though I don't know for certain obviously), it doesn't scare me. Maybe I am just doing horribly at explaining myself. It might have to do with the fact that I am already sort of bored of being alive. it's kind of interesting that you brought up the subject because yesterday I started reading "Tuesdays with Morrie", which is largely about the dying process. On my off days, death can scare me quite a bit. But to go through what the book's protagonist went through, i.e. ALS, and not being able to breathe without assistance scares me to no end. I would rather go just right then and there than to have to experience chronic suffocation. Poor guy! Oh, there are heaps of things that scare the crap out of me. Being buried alive is right at the top.
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Post by redhorizon on Nov 3, 2020 21:11:15 GMT
I don't think I'll be missed.
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Post by moonchild on Nov 4, 2020 0:41:52 GMT
When my Dad was dying his grandson asked him if he was scared. He said, "No, just sad"
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Post by moonchild on Nov 4, 2020 0:45:04 GMT
I don't think I'll be missed. Sorry you feel that way
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Post by theravenking on Nov 4, 2020 0:51:07 GMT
The idea of slow decay and of beautiful things being deliberately destroyed does scare me.
Death itself would just be a step into nothingness. I would cease to exist, there would be no worries or humiliations of any kind.
Sometimes I feel very tired, I feel that I've already suffered enough, as pathetic as that might sound; and in moments like that I would almost welcome death. Sometimes I wonder about people who are killed in accidents or catastrophes. We like to assume that the victims of 9/11 for example were all good happy people and their deaths were horrible tragedies. But what if some of those people who died that day were depressives or deeply unhappy with their lives and death was a relief for them?
It's regrettable that as human beings we don't have an on/off button on our bodies. Then we could just switch off our lives when we would be fed up with it. Everything would be so easy. There wouldn't be anything scary or mysterious about death any more. We would have it all under control.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Nov 4, 2020 16:55:40 GMT
But then A) what happens to it, and B) why do believe that?
A) It depends on the individual. Most of us will probably be reunited with our deceased relatives.
B) Because of my own experiences and the evidence from psychical research.
What does psychical research consist of?
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Post by mystery on Nov 4, 2020 18:03:02 GMT
I find the concept of eternal life just about as unsettling as oblivion. Everything gets boring after a while. What would you do after a century, or a millennium, or a billion years? I think I'd get tired of existing after a while. You'd feel old inside, having nothing new to see or discover. I know some people fear reincarnation, but at least it's a chance to see with new eyes again, to feel wonder and enthusiasm and uncomplicated joy. That would be a gift.
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Post by The Lovers on Nov 4, 2020 18:08:42 GMT
Til death do us part.
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Post by moviemouth on Nov 4, 2020 18:31:15 GMT
What do you mean by eternal void btw? You wouldn't be aware of any void because you wouldn't "be." Unless your idea of what non-existence means is different from mine. okay, but then if I wouldn't "be", then how would I have any feelings about anything? I am talking about right now. I am responding to your question in the "right now". After I'm dead, obviously I will not be scared or feeling anything! When I refer to the "eternal void" I am projecting myself into the ultimate recesses of space, something that cannot be fathomed. In order to answer your, I made the leap of faith, but it is my personal belief system that everything is circular, as in there is no beginning and there is no end. This is what works best for me! I believe that the base of existence is eternal, but that human existence isn't eternal. Of course this is just speculation based on what I can and can't comprehend. It makes no difference to me either way. I have no stake in whether the base of everything is eternal or not.
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