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Post by Tristan's Journal on May 24, 2018 14:17:31 GMT
Well it's not like the DCEU has much in the way of good villains either. Zod was pretty good and that's about it. That hasn't stopped Wonder Woman from being a great character. She's probably a better character than Superman even though her villain is worse. In Justice League, Flash was a good character and Aquaman wasn't. That had nothing to do with the villain. Between Loki and Hela, Thor has had better villains than Iron Man but he's not a better character. Everyone likes Christopher Reeves and his villains weren't that good overall. Same with Hugh Jackman as Wolverine he was always popular but the villains in his individual movies weren't that good either. Imagine I had written the OP and referred to DC fans as "dumb." How many nanoseconds would it have taken for you to either "correct" my syntax or remove the post entirely? The under/over is 10 nanoseconds and I am buying the under. All trolls are equal, but some trolls are more equal than others.
Still, I agree that all the "dumb" languge should be removed as utterly redundant, what does DC Fan imply here, that there are smart MCUs as well, how dare he...?
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Post by Rey Kahuka on May 24, 2018 14:22:35 GMT
Interesting list, though I have to question the placement of Darth Maul and the existence at all of Count Dooku on any list of great villains. Can't say the villains from Harry Potter, Pirates of the Caribbean or Hunger Games do anything for me, but that's probably due to my disinterest in the source material. Ranker is the best. Darth Maul is so badass he is good again, from a certain point of view. I predict he shall rise soon on the silver screen and in villain ratings again.
I dig Maul, I just don't know if he had enough screen time to warrant #33 of all time. Ha, I just took a glance at the extended list and it has a picture of Ben Grimm where it lists 'The Thing' at #104. Oddly, I think Helena Bonham Carter made the list more than any other actor. Anyway, I hope you're right about Darth Maul, I could go for more of him.
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Post by NormanClature on May 24, 2018 14:27:59 GMT
Imagine I had written the OP and referred to DC fans as "dumb." How many nanoseconds would it have taken for you to either "correct" my syntax or remove the post entirely? The under/over is 10 nanoseconds and I am buying the under. All trolls are equal, but some trolls are more equal than others.
So it would appear.
Scabab will deny it though....just like he always does.
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Post by scabab on May 24, 2018 14:31:55 GMT
Imagine I had written the OP and referred to DC fans as "dumb." How many nanoseconds would it have taken for you to either "correct" my syntax or remove the post entirely? The under/over is 10 nanoseconds and I am buying the under. Yeah probably under. It's hard to say though because if you'd have written the thread then there wouldn't actually be a point to it unlike this one. It'd just be a single sentence with a nodding emoticon or perhaps a laughing emoticon if you'd found your own comment to be funny.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on May 24, 2018 14:36:31 GMT
All trolls are equal, but some trolls are more equal than others.
So it would appear.
Scabab will deny it though....just like he always does. they always deny it. Love triangles are an utter bitch, dude. Been there, done that. Get out of it, or it will destroy you!
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Post by NormanClature on May 24, 2018 14:45:14 GMT
Imagine I had written the OP and referred to DC fans as "dumb." How many nanoseconds would it have taken for you to either "correct" my syntax or remove the post entirely? The under/over is 10 nanoseconds and I am buying the under. Yeah probably under. It's hard to say though because if you'd have written the thread then there wouldn't actually be a point to it unlike this one. It'd just be a single sentence with a nodding emoticon or perhaps a laughing emoticon if you'd found your own comment to be funny. I think we both know that isn't always the case. In fact, more often than not, it isn't. You'll have to try harder if you want people to believe you are unbiased.
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Post by NormanClature on May 24, 2018 14:57:54 GMT
So it would appear.
Scabab will deny it though....just like he always does. they always deny it. Love triangles are an utter bitch, dude. Been there, done that. Get out of it, or it will destroy you! They are welcome to one another. All I have ever campaigned for is equal rights for everyone.
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Post by RedDeadFallout on May 24, 2018 15:06:37 GMT
Just the one it seems, which actually defines rare.
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Post by DC-Fan on May 24, 2018 17:04:46 GMT
The MCU has Ultron, Loki, Vulture, Hela, Thanos, etc. Ultron, Loki, Vulture, and Hela aren't great villains. Thanos is the best MCU villain, but Thanos isn't a great villain either.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on May 24, 2018 17:19:34 GMT
The MCU has Ultron, Loki, Vulture, Hela, Thanos, etc. Ultron, Loki, Vulture, and Hela aren't great villains. Thanos is the best MCU villain, but Thanos isn't a great villain either. Then what makes a great villain? Give some examples.
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Post by DSDSquared on May 24, 2018 17:28:41 GMT
The MCU has Ultron, Loki, Vulture, Hela, Thanos, etc. Ultron, Loki, Vulture, and Hela aren't great villains. Thanos is the best MCU villain, but Thanos isn't a great villain either. Have you seen Enchantress and Steppenwolf? Ultron is like Hannibal Lector or Joker in comparison.
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Post by seahawksraawk00 on May 25, 2018 13:46:52 GMT
The MCU has Ultron, Loki, Vulture, Hela, Thanos, etc. Ultron, Loki, Vulture, and Hela aren't great villains. Thanos is the best MCU villain, but Thanos isn't a great villain either. Thanos is way better than Zod and Lex and that CGI troll Doomsday, and the dancing enchantress
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Post by DC-Fan on May 25, 2018 14:18:35 GMT
Ultron, Loki, Vulture, and Hela aren't great villains. Thanos is the best MCU villain, but Thanos isn't a great villain either. Thanos is way better than Zod and Lex and that CGI troll Doomsday, and the dancing enchantress Thanos is better than all other MCU villains but Thanos isn't a great villain. Zod is way better than Thanos.
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Post by seahawksraawk00 on May 25, 2018 14:22:51 GMT
Thanos is way better than Zod and Lex and that CGI troll Doomsday, and the dancing enchantress Thanos is better than all other MCU villains but Thanos isn't a great villain. Zod is way better than Thanos. Are you admitting tho he's better than Lex and Doomsday and Enchantress and Ares??
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Post by Nalkarj on Jun 3, 2018 1:25:45 GMT
Actors have always said something akin to “I prefer playing the villain; it’s more fun”—which, while true, is exactly what makes playing a hero so difficult, especially as so many heroes are written as extraordinary “MarySues”/“competent men.” (I think Harry Potter and his two pals are excruciatingly dull characters, which is one reason I prefer the Potter movies to the books; good acting can well disguise bad characterization.) Anyhoo, apropos of the superhero genre, I do appreciate Marvel’s focus on the hero rather than the villain; Iron Man is particularly brilliant in making its protagonist flawed—and the flaws are minimized but not eradicated by the experience he undergoes, which seems more true to life than, say, Bruce Wayne’s absurd new wisdom in Batman Begins (a movie I moderately like, however). With that said, DC-Fan does have a point: villains are important, and the Marvel series has fewer great villains than many other such series. If I wrote up a list of great superhero movie villains… Lex Luthor (Gene Hackman), Superman (1978) The Joker (Jack Nicholson), Batman (1989) Neville Sinclair (Timothy Dalton), The Rocketeer (1991) The Penguin (Danny DeVito), Batman Returns (1992) Catwoman (Michelle Pfeiffer), Batman Returns (1992) Green Goblin (William Dafoe), Spider-Man (2002) Doctor Octopus (Alfred Molina), Spider-Man 2 (2004) Syndrome (voiced by Jason Lee), The Incredibles (2004) Obadiah Stane (Jeff Bridges), Iron Man (2008) The Joker (Heath Ledger), The Dark Knight (2008) Loki (Tom Hiddleston), Marvel Cinematic Universe (2010-present) The Vulture (Michael Keaton), Spider-Man: Homecoming (2017) With the caveat that there are many superhero flicks I have yet to see, I only have three Marvel villains on the list—and I don’t think that many more will make it, especially as the emphasis is on the heroes. Which MCU villains would make everyone else’s list?
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Post by ThatGuy on Jun 3, 2018 19:45:26 GMT
Thanos is way better than Zod and Lex and that CGI troll Doomsday, and the dancing enchantress Thanos is better than all other MCU villains but Thanos isn't a great villain. Zod is way better than Thanos. I like how, even by saying something good about the MCU, you turn it into something bad about the MCU in the same sentence.
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Post by ThatGuy on Jun 3, 2018 19:51:50 GMT
You do know you can have a hero and no real villain in the movie and it can be good, right? You can have a superhero zombie movie where the hero has to get to a certain place, but gets into situations with zombies along the way. Does that make the hero a bad hero because he doesn't have that villain to go up against?
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Post by Skaathar on Jun 3, 2018 20:34:26 GMT
The MCU has always had better villains than the DCEU. And as of the completion of Phase 3, they might even have more great villains than all DC movies put together.
MCU now has Thanos, Ebony Maw, Loki, Hela, Vulture, Zemo, Killmonger, Winter Soldier, Klaue and Ego.
That's not even including decent villains like Pierce and Ironmonger.
How many good villains do you know of from DC or even the XCU?
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Post by DC-Fan on Jun 3, 2018 21:34:43 GMT
MCU now has Thanos, Ebony Maw, Loki, Hela, Vulture, Zemo, Killmonger, Winter Soldier, Klaue and Ego. Thanos is the best MCU villain, but Thanos still isn't a great villain. Ebony Maw, Loki, Hela, Vulture, Zemo, Killmonger, Winter Soldier, Klaue and Ego are all lame villains. That's not even including decent villains like Pierce and Ironmonger. Pierce and Ironmonger are lame villians.
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Post by MooseNugget on Jun 3, 2018 21:44:00 GMT
MCU now has Thanos, Ebony Maw, Loki, Hela, Vulture, Zemo, Killmonger, Winter Soldier, Klaue and Ego. Thanos is the best MCU villain, but Thanos still isn't a great villain. Ebony Maw, Loki, Hela, Vulture, Zemo, Killmonger, Winter Soldier, Klaue and Ego are all lame villains. I think Thanos is great because he has a logical reason to do what he's doing. The same could be said for the villein in the last Spider-Man film. When you can put yourself in their shoes and maybe you might do what they're doing than you know you have a great antagonist. Because the reality is everyone is the hero of their own story.
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