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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2021 15:49:15 GMT
WB used to be the Mecca of Hollywood. They have either been the best studio, or a top 3 studio since the 1930s. However, since 2010, and moving forward, they have slowly fell apart. Now that the #IStandWithRayFisher movement is happening... ATT needs to clean house and start over. They need new management. Just hit the reset button, and clean all the slated crap for the DC and restructure with a real vision and plan. Also, start making good will towards directors and actors. Get more Director based films and less studio driven films. Start giving creative freedom again. If someone does something wrong like Geoff Johns and Joss Wheedon, fire them. Don’t try to sweep it under the rug and blame toxic fans. To Read the article I’m referring to: www.hollywoodreporter.com/features/ray-fisher-opens-up-about-justice-league-joss-whedon-and-warners-i-dont-believe-some-of-these-people-are-fit-for-leadership
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2021 16:00:38 GMT
PS: Apparently, it was so bad. Ben Affleck tried to convince the cast to walk off the set of Josstice League.
That’s crazy.
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Post by politicidal on Apr 6, 2021 16:23:02 GMT
I'm just surprised they tolerated Whedon disparaging Gadot and Jenkins like that.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2021 16:25:13 GMT
I'm just surprised they tolerated Whedon disparaging Gadot and Jenkins like that. Me too. It is sick how Wheedon talked to Ray Fisher about filming the “Boo-Yah!” Line. He quoted Shakespeare about “just say the lines” and after he finally did the scene he yelled “Good Work Ray!” In a condescending way.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2021 17:14:46 GMT
Apparently this Reddit Post from a few years ago was 100% true.
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Post by ghostintheshell on Apr 6, 2021 17:27:26 GMT
WB has already redeemed itself with ZSJL, Josstice League is all but forgotten
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Post by TheOriginalPinky on Apr 6, 2021 17:28:07 GMT
WB has always been a third-rate studio that cranked out films - some of them successful. This should not be surprising.
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Post by politicidal on Apr 6, 2021 17:39:52 GMT
WB has already redeemed itself with ZSJL, Josstice League is all but forgotten I just don't get why Whedon behaved the way he did. I don't think he's untalented, I liked a lot of his movies;never got into Firefly. But why show up to work, ready to raise hell like that? Now it's out in the public and his career's probably either over or severely curtailed.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2021 17:45:56 GMT
WB has already redeemed itself with ZSJL, Josstice League is all but forgotten I just don't get why Whedon behaved the way he did. I don't think he's untalented, I liked a lot of his movies;never got into Firefly. But why show up to work, ready to raise hell like that? Now it's out in the public and his career's probably either over or severely curtailed. It’s probably his ego. A) He made the “almighty” Avengers movie. So he felt like he was the God of superhero films. B) The cast was probably upset he was making such drastic changes to ZSJL. They signed on and we’re loyal to him. And his vision. Not this Frankenstein film. C) So he probably took it all personally and acted like a royal dick.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Apr 6, 2021 17:47:33 GMT
WB’s downward spiral seemed to officially start after they sacked Alan Horn.
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Post by Prime etc. on Apr 6, 2021 18:11:09 GMT
WB seems like the most "Hollywood" studio thanks to it having Bogart under contract. And some movies like Casablanca--but I hesitate to say the ultimate Hollywood studio because the others contributed in some ways-Universal and MGM and RKO and Fox--they all did some film that covered all the bases from award season to popularity. I think WB was known for grittier-crime-focused stuff.
Superman happened mostly because of the Salkinds--they were the ones pushing to get Superman made--the studio seemed to just sign the checks and let them do what they wanted. That's a big difference now--is that the producer is now the studio representative--when decades ago, the producer was a creative force in the production--like Cubby Broccoli etc. The executive boardroom now dictates everything.
It is crazy to make a film and then decide eh--we dont like it--let's reshoot--and then decide afterwards--let's do it the original way and pay that guy to do it.
They do it because they can-the technology and the money is available. They can burn money--no one is worried--the head office has money from tires or pipe manufacturing to pay for their mistakes.
But WB was like that in the 70s with Kubrick films too--he was getting money to do whatever he wanted. How did Barry Lyndon do financially?
And they sabotaged Doc Savage: the Man of Bronze. There's no way George Pal wanted to do that silly comedy stuff.
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Post by lowtacks86 on Apr 6, 2021 18:21:14 GMT
I wonder if they'll eventually get bought out by Disney too
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Post by thisguy4000 on Apr 6, 2021 18:27:34 GMT
I wonder if they'll eventually get bought out by Disney too That seems very unlikely.
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Post by Prime etc. on Apr 6, 2021 18:39:45 GMT
I wonder if they'll eventually get bought out by Disney too I was going to mention that. I think the owners would sell to Disney in a heartbeat-there's no loyalty to making films by these big corporations. They are indifferent. The impression you get from behavior is they are just greasing the wheels of the machinery until someone buys them out. And Disney is so gung ho about control and message.
The CEO said in the 1990s that Disney's goal is to be "entertainer for the globe."
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Post by politicidal on Apr 6, 2021 18:56:32 GMT
I wonder if they'll eventually get bought out by Disney too That would be insane.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2021 19:09:27 GMT
I wonder if they'll eventually get bought out by Disney too I was going to mention that. I think the owners would sell to Disney in a heartbeat-there's no loyalty to making films by these big corporations. They are indifferent. The impression you get from behavior is they are just greasing the wheels of the machinery until someone buys them out. And Disney is so gung ho about control and message.
The CEO said in the 1990s that Disney's goal is to be "entertainer for the globe."
If I were AT&T, I’d just gut WB. Just for the sake of saving face. Then they will look like heroes and the negative backlash would end. Then, completely restructure the DC division. Say “we are stopping all films at this time to restructure the DC films division.” Then I’d either let Snyder run the division like Feige runs MCU. Or I’d completely start from scratch and say “This is the direction we are going.” One way or another. They need to just start fresh, with goodwill, and State “This is what we are going to do.” Then do it.
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Post by lowtacks86 on Apr 6, 2021 19:12:30 GMT
I wonder if they'll eventually get bought out by Disney too That would be insane. They probably could if they really wanted to (Disney has more than enough money to buy them out). The question is would it even be worth it? Might be better to just buy the rights to DC Comics if they could negotiate it.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Apr 6, 2021 19:20:56 GMT
They probably could if they really wanted to (Disney has more than enough money to buy them out). The question is would it even be worth it? Might be better to just buy the rights to DC Comics if they could negotiate it. The odds of AT&T selling something they fought so hard to obtain seems very unlikely, and I can’t imagine that the Department of Justice would be willing to go along with that.
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Post by lowtacks86 on Apr 6, 2021 19:25:14 GMT
They probably could if they really wanted to (Disney has more than enough money to buy them out). The question is would it even be worth it? Might be better to just buy the rights to DC Comics if they could negotiate it. The odds of AT&T selling something they fought so hard to obtain seems very unlikely, and I can’t imagine that the Department of Justice would be willing to go along with that. If WB isn't producing the revenue AT&T was hoping for (especially if they're having to pay a huge loan on it), it wouldn't surprise me if they were looking to sell. Dunno why the DOJ would get involved with a consentual transaction.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Apr 6, 2021 19:30:34 GMT
The odds of AT&T selling something they fought so hard to obtain seems very unlikely, and I can’t imagine that the Department of Justice would be willing to go along with that. If WB isn't producing the revenue AT&T was hoping for (especially if they're having to pay a huge loan on it), it wouldn't surprise me if they were looking to sell. Dunno why the DOJ would get involved with a consentual transaction. The Department of Justice has objected to corporate mergers in the past, under the pretense (in Trump’s case) of trying to prevent a monopoly. The Trump administration tried to prevent the merger between AT&T and Time Warner, and the Biden administration is currently trying to prevent Sony from acquiring the anime streaming service known as Crunchyroll.
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