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Post by jeffersoncody on May 23, 2021 6:59:28 GMT
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Post by jeffersoncody on May 23, 2021 7:03:01 GMT
I'm a Christian, but what this intelligent and articulate - much missed - man has to say makes a lot of sense. When it comes to God I have always followed my heart, but maybe it's time I started listening to my head?
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Post by zehgerman on May 23, 2021 7:07:26 GMT
He's right. (Good) Ethics and morals can be taught without religion.
A world without religion won't suddenly remove the good and the bad guys, but it will make the bad guys more visible as what they are, since they can not hide behind their religion anymore.
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Post by jeffersoncody on May 23, 2021 7:15:50 GMT
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Post by jeffersoncody on May 23, 2021 7:17:03 GMT
"Anybody who tells you what happens after you die is either a fool or a liar."
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2021 8:18:25 GMT
Religion has done a lot of good in the world. It's just the corrupt giving it a bad name
Look at it this way, people will fight over anything. With or without religion
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Post by OldSamVimes on May 23, 2021 8:20:15 GMT
Religion has done a lot of good in the world. It's just the corrupt giving it a bad name Look at it this way, people will fight over anything. With or without religion With the absence of external or 'spiritual' Gods, we turn to other Gods to worship. Materialism, power, money, sex, control.
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Post by man_in_a_suitcase on May 23, 2021 8:26:15 GMT
Religion has done a lot of good in the world. It's just the corrupt giving it a bad name Look at it this way, people will fight over anything. With or without religion With the absence of external or 'spiritual' Gods, we turn to other Gods to worship. Materialism, power, money, sex, control. Most of those “gods” are pretty closely entwined with religion anyway.
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Post by OldSamVimes on May 23, 2021 8:31:50 GMT
With the absence of external or 'spiritual' Gods, we turn to other Gods to worship. Materialism, power, money, sex, control. Most of those “gods” are pretty closely entwined with religion anyway. Religion in it's corrupted forms perhaps.
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Post by OldSamVimes on May 23, 2021 8:56:03 GMT
Religion in it's corrupted forms perhaps. Name a form that isn't corrupt. You want me to go though every religion and spiritual belief in history for you? You imagine a CRT race-warrior and MSM zombie would be worth the time? Just how narcissistic are you? Get over yourself asshole.
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Post by zehgerman on May 23, 2021 9:21:05 GMT
Name a form that isn't corrupt. You want me to go though every religion and spiritual belief in history for you? You imagine a CRT race-warrior and MSM zombie would be worth the time? Just how narcissistic are you? Get over yourself asshole. If you really didn't care you could have replied with the simple truth: "I can't name a single one."
Instead you choose to throw around media invented and related buzzwords. That reeks of integrity!
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Post by Feologild Oakes on May 23, 2021 9:26:22 GMT
I don`t think we would be better or worse off without religion.
We would just find something else to fight and kill over.
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Post by OldSamVimes on May 23, 2021 9:29:58 GMT
You want me to go though every religion and spiritual belief in history for you? You imagine a CRT race-warrior and MSM zombie would be worth the time? Just how narcissistic are you? Get over yourself asshole. If you really didn't care you could have replied with the simple truth: "I can't name a single one."
Instead you choose to throw around media invented and related buzzwords. That reeks of integrity!
I think there are Buddhist communities that aren't corrupt. Probably lots of communities in many religions worldwide. It would take hours and hours (years?) to make a proper assessment of them all, then you'd have to start again because many could have become corrupt while you were researching. I certainly don't think of 'corruption' when I read Joseph Campbells accounts of native North-American spiritual practices or when I read Mircea Eliade. Only a simpleton generalizes large groups of people, or thinks 'All religion is bad'. That asshole wasn't worth the time. He's a race-warrior who believes in CRT and exhibits completely tribal thinking.
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Post by zehgerman on May 23, 2021 9:55:00 GMT
If you really didn't care you could have replied with the simple truth: "I can't name a single one."
Instead you choose to throw around media invented and related buzzwords. That reeks of integrity!
I think there are Buddhist communities that aren't corrupt. Probably lots of communities in many religions worldwide.
Of course there are. Just as there are muslim, christian, hindu, ... communities that aren't corrupt. That was not the question/thesis at all.
Only a simpleton doesn't understand that criticizing an abstract construct like religion and its desired self-supremacism does not equate criticizing all of its adherents.
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Post by OldSamVimes on May 23, 2021 10:00:34 GMT
I think there are Buddhist communities that aren't corrupt. Probably lots of communities in many religions worldwide.
Of course there are. Just as there are muslim, christian, hindu, ... communities that aren't corrupt. That was not the question/thesis at all.
Only a simpleton doesn't understand that criticizing an abstract construct like religion and its desired self-supremacism does not equate criticizing all of its adherents.
Of course there isn't a group of humans anywhere that can't be corrupted by absolute power. 'Religion' is such a broad topic, I don't see how anyone could criticize it in general without taking some serious intellectual shortcuts.
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Post by Downey on May 23, 2021 10:00:56 GMT
I think there are Buddhist communities that aren't corrupt. Probably lots of communities in many religions worldwide.
Of course there are. Just as there are muslim, christian, hindu, ... communities that aren't corrupt. That was not the question/thesis at all.
Only a simpleton doesn't understand that criticizing an abstract construct like religion and its desired self-supremacism does not equate criticizing all of its adherents.
To be fair to Sam he was replying to Paul who is the most basic generalising creature on the planet when he said that. If Sam had replied to you originally with that then you would have a point about him being a simpleton which I don't think he is anyway.
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Post by oftrollorigins on May 23, 2021 10:41:24 GMT
Brilliant man.
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Post by jammer81386 on May 23, 2021 12:21:31 GMT
The term ‘‘new atheism’’ has been given to the recent barrage of anti-religion and anti-God books written by Richard Dawkins (2006), Sam Harris (2004, 2008), Christopher Hitchens (2007), Daniel Dennett (2006), and others. This paper contends that one of the fundamental arguments put forth by the new atheists — that religion poisons everything or that religion is responsible for much of the evil in the world — falls victim to one of the best established theories of interpersonal and intergroup relations in social psychology: the fundamental attribution error. Insights gleaned from social psychology are especially useful for critiquing the new atheism. Instead of simply arguing that the new atheists ‘‘over-generalize,’’ social psychological studies on the nature of individual and group attribution provide the tools needed to launch a more substantive critique. link
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Post by jammer81386 on May 23, 2021 12:26:13 GMT
He's right. (Good) Ethics and morals can be taught without religion. A world without religion won't suddenly remove the good and the bad guys, but it will make the bad guys more visible as what they are, since they can not hide behind their religion anymore. Until the 20th century, there was no society without a religion driving it in part if not wholly. And both fascism and communism are absolutist ideologies, therefore not unlike a religion. The so-called "cancel culture" comes directly from either puritanical religion or ideology. It certainly doesn't come from pragmatism. Maybe the problem is absolutist ideologies, not religion.
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Post by permutojoe on May 23, 2021 12:38:56 GMT
The world would certainly be better without large religious power structures, whether they be based in 1st or 3rd world areas. Religion itself can be good or bad and is not the underlying problem.
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