|
Post by alittlebirdie on Aug 29, 2021 14:43:51 GMT
One is Nicolas Cage
Ok, Nicolas Cage must have had a hand up as a Coppola but he's certainly craved his own place in the industry. I was wondering, what is it about him? He's not the greatest looking man, but he has a commanding presence, no doubt about it. Magnetic/charismatic,,,, whatever you call it.
Which actor/actress do you think has the greatest onscreen presence?
|
|
|
Post by movielover on Aug 29, 2021 14:48:04 GMT
Off the top of my head.
Al Pacino Marlon Brando Robert De Niro Kirk Douglas
|
|
|
Post by alittlebirdie on Aug 29, 2021 14:54:49 GMT
Off the top of my head. Al Pacino Marlon Brando Robert De Niro Kirk Douglas yes yes yes and yes!
|
|
|
Post by bravomailer on Aug 29, 2021 15:34:00 GMT
John Wayne was a good actor with remarkable presence.
|
|
|
Post by drystyx on Aug 29, 2021 15:35:06 GMT
I don't know if I agree or disagree with the ones so far named. Brando and De Niro are just really top notch actors. I don't think it's any "natural presence", which is what I thought we were looking for. People who might not even have to be great actors, but it doesn't hurt or help either way. Just people who stick out for some reason.
Directors and camera crews make people have presence, too.
For me, some who had "presence" did so with voices more than physical presence, because I was born in 1956, and although most of the baby boomers weren't allowed to watch movies or TV till we were about 10 years old, at that point, it was 1967 (if you're born in December like I was), and TV was still fuzzy black and white in two stations, fuzzier in a third, and real fuzzy in educational TV. Only the very wealthy people got color or cable before about 1977 to 1980.
So, for me, "presence" came more from voices. Even today, most of us "listen" to TV as background noise more than we watch, since we're in an age of double duty or whatever it's called, doing many things at once. Almost no one "watches TV" more than 1/8 of the time it is on. Only at a movie theater do I watch more than 2/3 of a show.
So, while it's not always the case, it's mostly from voice that I find "presence". If "presence" is from physical stance during scenes, it's not the actor, but the director and camera person. And, of course, if an actor is totally silent on screen during a long interchange among others, he gets a notable "presence" due to his silence, but if that's the total "presence", then that's the presence of the director calling for that scene.
Here are some that I find have a lot of "presence":
Whit Bissell Dan Duryea James Cagney Humphrey Bogart Edward G. Robinson Morgan Freeman Groucho Marx Chico Marx Harpo Marx (a rare case of physical presence not related to voice, but perhaps it is the lack of voice that does it) Jim Nabors Chill Wills Andy Devine Randolph Scott Broderick Crawford Martin Balsam Walter Matthau
And for women, I'm afraid I have to admit I'm a male hetero animal, so DAWN WELLS heads the list. I hate to tell the others, because women will get mad, and rightfully so, I admit. But, for the male animal, these have presence: Dawn Wells Sophia Loren Raquel Welch Annette Funicello Anna Maria Alberghetti Jacqueline Bisset Jacqueline Smith Barbara Bach
okay, you get the picture. I apologize to the ladies, because that is sexist. My idea of "female presence" on screen does go that way. I'm sorry. In real life, I am quite different when selecting female companionship or stewardship. I really have no use for high maintenance women. I like down to Earth women in my life.
|
|
|
Post by Popeye Doyle on Aug 29, 2021 15:39:02 GMT
|
|
|
Post by SuperDevilDoctor on Aug 29, 2021 15:56:32 GMT
|
|
Jason143
Junior Member
@glaceon
Posts: 1,242
Likes: 610
|
Post by Jason143 on Aug 29, 2021 16:02:45 GMT
Haha its funny I actually watched Con Air for the first time yesterday and thought Nicholas Cage was a charisma vacuum in that, totally no screen presence.
As for who does, these 3 come to mind immediately
Robert Downey Jr Tom Hanks Daniel Day Lewis
|
|
|
Post by vegalyra on Aug 29, 2021 16:19:12 GMT
Some of the ones I think had a lot of presence also did spoken word albums back in the day. Commanding presence on screen and commanding voices.
Charlton Heston Charles Laughton
|
|
|
Post by TheGoodMan19 on Aug 29, 2021 16:24:08 GMT
John Wayne was a good actor with remarkable presence. Even in the bad movies, The Duke had presence.
Old school, Rudolph Valentino. Women lost their minds over him
|
|
|
Post by Popeye Doyle on Aug 29, 2021 16:27:17 GMT
|
|
|
Post by alittlebirdie on Aug 29, 2021 16:57:38 GMT
I don't know if I agree or disagree with the ones so far named. Brando and De Niro are just really top notch actors. I don't think it's any "natural presence", which is what I thought we were looking for. People who might not even have to be great actors, but it doesn't hurt or help either way. Just people who stick out for some reason. Directors and camera crews make people have presence, too. For me, some who had "presence" did so with voices more than physical presence, because I was born in 1956, and although most of the baby boomers weren't allowed to watch movies or TV till we were about 10 years old, at that point, it was 1967 (if you're born in December like I was), and TV was still fuzzy black and white in two stations, fuzzier in a third, and real fuzzy in educational TV. Only the very wealthy people got color or cable before about 1977 to 1980. So, for me, "presence" came more from voices. Even today, most of us "listen" to TV as background noise more than we watch, since we're in an age of double duty or whatever it's called, doing many things at once. Almost no one "watches TV" more than 1/8 of the time it is on. Only at a movie theater do I watch more than 2/3 of a show. So, while it's not always the case, it's mostly from voice that I find "presence". If "presence" is from physical stance during scenes, it's not the actor, but the director and camera person. And, of course, if an actor is totally silent on screen during a long interchange among others, he gets a notable "presence" due to his silence, but if that's the total "presence", then that's the presence of the director calling for that scene. Here are some that I find have a lot of "presence": Whit Bissell Dan Duryea James Cagney Humphrey Bogart Edward G. Robinson Morgan Freeman Groucho Marx Chico Marx Harpo Marx (a rare case of physical presence not related to voice, but perhaps it is the lack of voice that does it) Jim Nabors Chill Wills Andy Devine Randolph Scott Broderick Crawford Martin Balsam Walter Matthau Thanks for your thoughts drystyx. It's interesting what you said about voices. I also pay attention to voices, but never really put presence because of voice together. I thought of this thread because I'm on a Cage kick and I was wondering what makes him a great actor? (at least I think so) Director and camera are also good points, but I think he has something that goes beyond those things. It would be hard to imagine him as a meek character. Presence itself is a hard thing to pin down, same as 'they have great chemistry together' They are foggy terms to me, but I find what others think about them very interesting. I'm also enjoying your picks. (some I don't know) For instance Morgan Freeman does have a wonderful voice, but I think he could play a believable meek man. I don't know, just my thoughts, and thanks again for yours.
|
|
|
Post by alittlebirdie on Aug 29, 2021 17:03:40 GMT
Haha its funny I actually watched Con Air for the first time yesterday and thought Nicholas Cage was a charisma vacuum in that, totally no screen presence. As for who does, these 3 come to mind immediately Robert Downey Jr Tom Hanks Daniel Day Lewis Nah, are you kidding? Ok, what about Face/Off, do you think he was a wallflower compared to Travolta? lol, just kidding, if you haven't seen Face/Off you should.
|
|
|
Post by alittlebirdie on Aug 29, 2021 17:10:22 GMT
How exactly would you define screen presence? It's all subjective. Keanu Reeves Benicio Del Toro Sylvester Stallone Sacha Baron Cohen Yul Brynner Mel Gibson Bruce Willis Kurt Russell Dennis Quaid Harrison Ford True, it is very subjective. Read drystyx thoughts, I thought they were interesting. And thanks for your list! Yul Brynner is number one for me.
|
|
Jason143
Junior Member
@glaceon
Posts: 1,242
Likes: 610
|
Post by Jason143 on Aug 29, 2021 17:14:47 GMT
Haha its funny I actually watched Con Air for the first time yesterday and thought Nicholas Cage was a charisma vacuum in that, totally no screen presence. As for who does, these 3 come to mind immediately Robert Downey Jr Tom Hanks Daniel Day Lewis Nah, are you kidding? Ok, what about Face/Off, do you think he was a wallflower compared to Travolta? lol, just kidding, if you haven't seen Face/Off you should. I haven't seen Face-off, will do soon. I like Nic Cage generally, hes good in National Treasure and Knowing. But in Con Air his presence and acting just seemed off, very wooden and monotone.
|
|
|
Post by Mulder and Scully on Aug 29, 2021 19:59:48 GMT
How exactly would you define screen presence? It's all subjective. Keanu Reeves Benicio Del Toro Sylvester Stallone Sacha Baron Cohen Yul Brynner Mel Gibson Bruce Willis Kurt Russell Dennis Quaid Harrison Ford True, it is very subjective. Read drystyx thoughts, I thought they were interesting. And thanks for your list! Yul Brynner is number one for me. I actually deleted my post because I could have listed hundreds of actors whom I think have screen presence. It's all subjective.
|
|
|
Post by 博:Dr.BLΔD€:锯 on Aug 29, 2021 21:43:39 GMT
PRESENCE .It's quite an unquantifiable but distinct Thingy. Jolly Hard to ascertain a Greatest.....but I am gonna throw in my personal ten penn'orth.
There's some great actors who have wide ranges of skills that can (for want of a better word) almost transcend a role, ala, De Niro, Daniel Day Lewis, Peter Sellers, Gary Oldman Meryl Streep, and the suchlike , but not necessarily with a 'Presence' driven element, moreso because of their admirable craft and skill.
Folk , for me, who seem to have that unexplainable 'presence',, whether it be size, looks, eyes, chutzpah, bollocks, accent, delivery, voice, smile, a mixture of those....or whatever.... are:
James Cagney John Goodman Kenneth Williams John Wayne Anna Faris, Fred Astaire Bill Murray Michael Caine Woody Harrelson Robert Downey Jr Bill Murray Gene Hackman AL Pacino Anthony Hopkins Brian Dennehy (not Always but often) George Formby Nicholas Cage.
I have just finished a fierce shift and had a few glasses of Merlot, but these are the bods that have first come to mind.....all In my humble opinion, of course.
Intriguing thread.
|
|
mgmarshall
Junior Member
@mgmarshall
Posts: 2,052
Likes: 3,304
|
Post by mgmarshall on Aug 29, 2021 21:46:49 GMT
|
|
|
Post by ck100 on Aug 29, 2021 22:11:05 GMT
|
|
|
Post by alittlebirdie on Aug 29, 2021 22:15:23 GMT
True, it is very subjective. Read drystyx thoughts, I thought they were interesting. And thanks for your list! Yul Brynner is number one for me. I actually deleted my post because I could have listed hundreds of actors whom I think have screen presence. It's all subjective. Ok, your prerogative. But isn't 99.9 percent of posts on this board subjective, arguable blah blah blah? Those were the ones that came to mind first so I think it has some relevance. Everyone that breathes has presence ... well maybe that's arguable too. Just shooting the dodo
|
|