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Post by lowtacks86 on Jun 12, 2022 22:43:57 GMT
Bill Maher is not becoming more right wing. It just appears that way because the Democratic Party has become super extreme left wing. Democrats of 15 years ago would never have supported trans guys beating up girls in sports, full term abortion and defunding the police. The Party left Bill, not the other way around. "Bill Maher is not becoming more right wing." Uh in the last few he's attacked pro-choicers, gone against medicare for all, and even palls around with right wing religious dipshits like Shapiro. I doubt he would have done that years ago. Most likely he saw what grifters like Dave Rubin, Glen Greenwald, and Jimmy Dore have done and thought "Hey I can do that too!" "It just appears that way because the Democratic Party has become super extreme left wing." Then why did Sanders (the most leftist politician in Washington) lose in the last two primaries over the more centrist canidates (Hilary and Biden)? Biden still doesn't support universal healthcare, won't erase student debt, hiked medicare prices and funneled the profits to private companies and wants to bring "Democrats and Republicans together". That's you're idea of "super extreme left wing"? "Democrats of 15 years ago would never have supported trans guys beating up girls in sports Uh no, despite what Fox News tells you, a guy can't just put a wig and skirt on and compete in women's sports that's not how it works. You have to do at least a year of HRT, which cripples your athletic performance. "full term abortion" Uh there's no such thing as "full term abortion", medical experts don't actually recognize it. That was just something made up by prolifers because they don't have actual arguments. "defunding the police." "Defund the police" is adminttingly not the best slogan, they probably should change it to something like "Reform the police". When people talk about "Defunding the police" they don't literally mean completely cutting funding from the police (that would be absurd), what they really mean is cut funding from the police and then use that money in more useful ways to combat crime (like say social workers and better funded schools). Any more lies for me to refute?
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Post by CrepedCrusader on Jun 13, 2022 0:17:29 GMT
I give Maher one more year before he pulls a Tulsi and does a "why I left the Left" tour on Right-wing media.
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Post by lune7000 on Jun 13, 2022 0:24:53 GMT
Bill Maher is not becoming more right wing. It just appears that way because the Democratic Party has become super extreme left wing. Democrats of 15 years ago would never have supported trans guys beating up girls in sports, full term abortion and defunding the police. The Party left Bill, not the other way around. "Bill Maher is not becoming more right wing." Uh in the last few he's attacked pro-choicers, gone against medicare for all, and even palls around with right wing religious dipshits like Shapiro. I doubt he would have done that years ago. Most likely he saw what grifters like Dave Rubin, Glen Greenwald, and Jimmy Dore have done and thought "Hey I can do that too!" "It just appears that way because the Democratic Party has become super extreme left wing." Then why did Sanders (the most leftist politician in Washington) lose in the last two primaries over the more centrist canidates (Hilary and Biden)? Biden still doesn't support universal healthcare, won't erase student debt, hiked medicare prices and funneled the profits to private companies and wants to bring "Democrats and Republicans together". That's you're idea of "super extreme left wing"? "Democrats of 15 years ago would never have supported trans guys beating up girls in sports Uh no, despite what Fox News tells you, a guy can't just put a wig and skirt on and compete in women's sports that's not how it works. You have to do at least a year of HRT, which cripples your athletic performance. Uh, yes he can- plus men have far more upper body muscle mass so any weakening is miniscule- which is why trans swimmers are beating te heck out of girls
"defunding the police." "Defund the police" is adminttingly not the best slogan, they probably should change it to something like "Reform the police". When people talk about "Defunding the police" they don't literally mean completely cutting funding from the police (that would be absurd), what they really mean is cut funding from the police and then use that money in more useful ways to combat crime (like say social workers and better funded schools). Any more lies for me to refute? Well, I guess your favorite network (and fountain of truth) disagrees with you! www.cnn.com/2021/10/06/health/us-homicide-rate-increase-nchs-study/index.htmlUS records highest increase in nation's homicide rate in modern history, CDC says
turns out that all those "mostly peaceful" riots and protests and attacks on cops by Dems in 2020 have led to police pulling back and criminals running wild- killing A LOT of innocent bystanders along the way- you have a lot of blood on your handsGot any other lies you want me to slap down?
More than 21,000 US homicides reported in 2020
Figures released by the FBI in 2021 show that 2020 had the highest single-year increase in homicides since the agency began tracking these crimes in the 1960s.
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Post by lowtacks86 on Jun 13, 2022 0:35:54 GMT
"Bill Maher is not becoming more right wing." Uh in the last few he's attacked pro-choicers, gone against medicare for all, and even palls around with right wing religious dipshits like Shapiro. I doubt he would have done that years ago. Most likely he saw what grifters like Dave Rubin, Glen Greenwald, and Jimmy Dore have done and thought "Hey I can do that too!" "It just appears that way because the Democratic Party has become super extreme left wing." Then why did Sanders (the most leftist politician in Washington) lose in the last two primaries over the more centrist canidates (Hilary and Biden)? Biden still doesn't support universal healthcare, won't erase student debt, hiked medicare prices and funneled the profits to private companies and wants to bring "Democrats and Republicans together". That's you're idea of "super extreme left wing"? "Democrats of 15 years ago would never have supported trans guys beating up girls in sports Uh no, despite what Fox News tells you, a guy can't just put a wig and skirt on and compete in women's sports that's not how it works. You have to do at least a year of HRT, which cripples your athletic performance. Uh, yes he can- plus men have far more upper body muscle mass so any weakening is miniscule- which is why trans swimmers are beating te heck out of girls
"defunding the police." "Defund the police" is adminttingly not the best slogan, they probably should change it to something like "Reform the police". When people talk about "Defunding the police" they don't literally mean completely cutting funding from the police (that would be absurd), what they really mean is cut funding from the police and then use that money in more useful ways to combat crime (like say social workers and better funded schools). Any more lies for me to refute? Well, I guess your favorite network (and fountain of truth) disagrees with you! www.cnn.com/2021/10/06/health/us-homicide-rate-increase-nchs-study/index.htmlUS records highest increase in nation's homicide rate in modern history, CDC says
turns out that all those "mostly peaceful" riots and protests and attacks on cops by Dems in 2020 have led to police pulling back and criminals running wild- killing A LOT of innocent bystanders along the way- you have a lot of blood on your handsGot any other lies you want me to slap down?
More than 21,000 US homicides reported in 2020
Figures released by the FBI in 2021 show that 2020 had the highest single-year increase in homicides since the agency began tracking these crimes in the 1960s. Uh yeah, homicides went up because of COVID (Trump was still President during 2020 BTW). That doesn't refute anything I posted. Wait, lol so you're argument against the Dems is that 2020 (under Trump) had a record murder rate? What point do you think you're making? "Uh, yes he can-" Name me one instance of this actually happening "plus men have far more upper body muscle mass so any weakening is miniscule-" Uh no HRT severely cripples your athleticism, I would suggest actually looking into it instead of just making stuff up "which is why trans swimmers are beating te heck out of girls" Uh no, just because you have a giant hate boner for Lia Thomas doesn't mean you get make stuff up. If what you were saying was true, why aren't trans swimmers destroying women in the Olympics? All the record holders are cis, try again.
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Post by novastar6 on Jun 13, 2022 0:37:51 GMT
I never understood the argument that you’re not allowed to advocate for gun control if you play a fictional character who uses guns.
If you don't believe in guns you should only play peace loving pussies who save the day by dialing 911. I'm sure those kinds movies would make HUGE money showing heroes all the little lib kids can look up to.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Jun 13, 2022 0:46:52 GMT
I never understood the argument that you’re not allowed to advocate for gun control if you play a fictional character who uses guns.
If you don't believe in guns you should only play peace loving pussies who save the day by dialing 911. I'm sure those kinds movies would make HUGE money showing heroes all the little lib kids can look up to.
Again, I don’t understand this argument, but regardless, I haven’t seen very many gun control activists who flat-out think guns should be banned altogether.
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Post by spooner5020 on Jun 13, 2022 0:50:45 GMT
If you don't believe in guns you should only play peace loving pussies who save the day by dialing 911. I'm sure those kinds movies would make HUGE money showing heroes all the little lib kids can look up to.
Again, I don’t understand this argument, but regardless, I haven’t seen very many gun control activists who flat-out think guns should be banned altogether. I know a few who think the 2nd amendment needs to be abolished. Umm what part of “shall not be infringed” do these idiots NOT understand?
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Post by lune7000 on Jun 13, 2022 1:05:58 GMT
And how are we going to ban guns anyway? America has thousands cargo ships unloading each day with millions of un-checked packages, hundreds of trucks crossing the border, thousands of people crossing the border w/o permission each month. People are getting a ton of fentanyl, weed, meth- we suck at prohibition. The only ones who will have guns after a ban are the criminals.
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Post by spooner5020 on Jun 13, 2022 1:16:31 GMT
And how are we going to ban guns anyway? America has thousands cargo ships unloading each day with millions of un-checked packages, hundreds of trucks crossing the border, thousands of people crossing the border w/o permission each month. People are getting a ton of fentanyl, weed, meth- we suck at prohibition. The only ones who will have guns after a ban are the criminals. That’s what the anti 2nd amendment idiots don’t understand.
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Post by lowtacks86 on Jun 13, 2022 1:33:03 GMT
And how are we going to ban guns anyway? America has thousands cargo ships unloading each day with millions of un-checked packages, hundreds of trucks crossing the border, thousands of people crossing the border w/o permission each month. People are getting a ton of fentanyl, weed, meth- we suck at prohibition. The only ones who will have guns after a ban are the criminals. "And how are we going to ban guns anyway?" Uh no, people aren't talking about "gun bans" they're just talking about stricter gun control. Nice bait and switch. "America has thousands cargo ships unloading each day with millions of un-checked packages," Do you have any actual evidence of this or just making stuff up as usual? "thousands of people crossing the border w/o permission each month." Illegal immigration is a completley seperate issue, I dunno why you brought that up. Oh is it because you saw a spooky picture of an MS-13 member with a gun on Breitbart? "People are getting a ton of fentanyl, weed, meth-" I like how you put weed in the same sentence as meth and fetanyl. Do you unironically think it's just as bad as those two? You're not seriously that dumb are you? "we suck at prohibition." We have some of the strictest drug laws in the world and the largest incarceration numbers in the world. The problem is prohibition only CREATES more crime. We learned that lesson when the original alcohol prohibition started. Unfortunately that lesson didn't stick. "The only ones who will have guns after a ban are the criminals." No one is talking about banning guns, you can stop lying.
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Post by novastar6 on Jun 13, 2022 4:58:02 GMT
And how are we going to ban guns anyway? America has thousands cargo ships unloading each day with millions of un-checked packages, hundreds of trucks crossing the border, thousands of people crossing the border w/o permission each month. People are getting a ton of fentanyl, weed, meth- we suck at prohibition. The only ones who will have guns after a ban are the criminals. "And how are we going to ban guns anyway?" Uh no, people aren't talking about "gun bans" they're just talking about stricter gun control. Nice bait and switch. "America has thousands cargo ships unloading each day with millions of un-checked packages," Do you have any actual evidence of this or just making stuff up as usual? "thousands of people crossing the border w/o permission each month." Illegal immigration is a completley seperate issue, I dunno why you brought that up. Oh is it because you saw a spooky picture of an MS-13 member with a gun on Breitbart? "People are getting a ton of fentanyl, weed, meth-" I like how you put weed in the same sentence as meth and fetanyl. Do you unironically think it's just as bad as those two? You're not seriously that dumb are you? "we suck at prohibition." We have some of the strictest drug laws in the world and the largest incarceration numbers in the world. The problem is prohibition only CREATES more crime. We learned that lesson when the original alcohol prohibition started. Unfortunately that lesson didn't stick. "The only ones who will have guns after a ban are the criminals." No one is talking about banning guns, you can stop lying.
'Control guns' is like Jim Jones saying 'let's go into the jungle and build houses for poor people'. Delve deeper into the conversation, and all kinds of ugly truths come out. These people don't think anyone should have semi-automatics because 1 bullet per trigger pull is an assault weapon of war like a machine gun. These people don't think anyone should have anything they think qualifies as 'military grade' or 'high power' or 'high capacity'. These people mainly just don't think anybody should have any big black guns with metal stocks, because they LOOK deadlier so they must BE deadlier than guns that do the same thing but look friendlier. These people don't think anyone should have shotguns, these people don't think handguns should be allowed, until the 'stricter gun control' people can agree on what they even want or even agree on a definition of stricter background checks, there's really no reason to listen to any of them. We wouldn't listen to anyone fearmongering about evil robot transformer cars, which they see in movies all the time, so why should we listen to anybody who ONLY knows about guns what Hollywood teaches them, which is all fantasy?
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Jun 13, 2022 12:13:24 GMT
And how are we going to ban guns anyway? America has thousands cargo ships unloading each day with millions of un-checked packages, hundreds of trucks crossing the border, thousands of people crossing the border w/o permission each month. People are getting a ton of fentanyl, weed, meth- we suck at prohibition. The only ones who will have guns after a ban are the criminals. That’s what the anti 2nd amendment idiots don’t understand. I specifically pointed out earlier that I don't want a ban on all firearms, only assault weapons. They aren't necessary for your average homeowner. People aren't coming off of cargo ships or over the border and shooting kids in schools. They aren't shooting up concerts in Vegas because they ran out of weed or fentanyl. It wasn't career criminals armed to the teeth with weaponry with the serial numbers filed off. They were ordinary US citizens using legally obtained firearms. At least with an assault rifle ban, it would have to be a criminal pulling the trigger, because John Doe wouldn't be able to get his hands on one legally. Because there's no need for it. Can somebody give an example of when they would need an assault weapon in every day life? Can someone do it without sounding ridiculous? When was the last time you got into a shootout with the cartel on your front porch? Zombies, aliens? What one man war are you waging?
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Post by stryker on Jun 13, 2022 12:49:01 GMT
So he's slowly becoming a right winger? I guess that's where the money is at for him now. His takes have become more "get off my lawn"-esque over the years, probably nobody watches cable anymore except boomers. Also if he's gonna at least partly blame movie violence for the mass shootings, why don't other countries with violent movies have the same problem with mass shootings? Did this occur to his simpleton brain? This is like a Dave Rubin level take, and that's really sad. Bill Maher’s shtick has always been that he’s an edgy contrarian. I don’t think he has much of a particular ideology beyond that. Bill is a liberal dude, and so am I, but just because we are liberal does not one mean we cannot call out the lunatic fringe of the Democratic Party. BTW, Bill Maher makes an excellent point in the clip which is referenced in this thread. All the films he refers to in this pointed piece of satire glorify and romanticize violence and revenge - which is achieved at the end of a gun. Bill Maher is a liberal who believes in free speech, and has some pretty interesting opinions. He is also human, flawed and something you will never be, funny and insightful. None of which means I agree with Bill about everything, but he sure does a fucking good job here of calling out the sheer hypocrisy and greed of Hollywood.
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Post by CrepedCrusader on Jun 13, 2022 14:21:17 GMT
Bill Maher is not becoming more right wing. It just appears that way because the Democratic Party has become super extreme left wing. Democrats of 15 years ago would never have supported trans guys beating up girls in sports, full term abortion and defunding the police. The Party left Bill, not the other way around. Sure, Jan.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Jun 13, 2022 16:34:34 GMT
Bill Maher’s shtick has always been that he’s an edgy contrarian. I don’t think he has much of a particular ideology beyond that. Bill is a liberal dude, and so am I, but just because we are liberal does not one mean we cannot call out the lunatic fringe of the Democratic Party. BTW, Bill Maher makes an excellent point in the clip which is referenced in this thread. All the films he refers to in this pointed piece of satire glorify and romanticize violence and revenge - which is achieved at the end of a gun. Bill Maher is a liberal who believes in free speech, and has some pretty interesting opinions. He is also human, flawed and something you will never be, funny and insightful. None of which means I agree with Bill about everything, but he sure does a fucking good job here of calling out the sheer hypocrisy and greed of Hollywood. You sound mad. Maher has referred to himself as a libertarian.
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Post by lowtacks86 on Jun 13, 2022 17:15:35 GMT
Bill is a liberal dude, and so am I, but just because we are liberal does not one mean we cannot call out the lunatic fringe of the Democratic Party. BTW, Bill Maher makes an excellent point in the clip which is referenced in this thread. All the films he refers to in this pointed piece of satire glorify and romanticize violence and revenge - which is achieved at the end of a gun. Bill Maher is a liberal who believes in free speech, and has some pretty interesting opinions. He is also human, flawed and something you will never be, funny and insightful. None of which means I agree with Bill about everything, but he sure does a fucking good job here of calling out the sheer hypocrisy and greed of Hollywood. You sound mad. Maher has referred to himself as a libertarian. When he says "libertarian", I'm assumming he means left leaning libertarian (which would still technically be "liberalism" albeit with some criticisms towards certain aspects of progressivism). I doubt he would vote for right wing libertarians like say Ron Paul or Gary Johnson.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Jun 13, 2022 17:25:56 GMT
You sound mad. Maher has referred to himself as a libertarian. When he says "libertarian", I'm assumming he means left leaning libertarian (which would still technically be "liberalism" albeit with some criticisms towards certain aspects of progressivism). I doubt he would vote for right wing libertarians like say Ron Paul or Gary Johnson. Like I said, I don’t think Maher has much of a particular ideology in general. The man has recently been friendly with people like Ben Shapiro, so I think it’s pretty apparent that he just wants to be a contrarian.
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Post by lowtacks86 on Jun 13, 2022 17:31:48 GMT
When he says "libertarian", I'm assumming he means left leaning libertarian (which would still technically be "liberalism" albeit with some criticisms towards certain aspects of progressivism). I doubt he would vote for right wing libertarians like say Ron Paul or Gary Johnson. Like I said, I don’t think Maher has much of a particular ideology in general. The man has recently been friendly with people like Ben Shapiro, so I think it’s pretty apparent that he just wants to be a contrarian. Really? Up until the last few years, he seemed to have a pretty consistent political framework. He's been a lifelong Democrat (he would pretty much never vote for a Republican), he opposes religion, he opposed the Iraq War, he's an ardent proponent of gun control, he's pro-choice, he hated the Bush administration. I would say this is enough to put him in the "lib" camp. It really does just seem in the last few years he's inching more and more to right, again I think he just saw what people like Dave Rubin and Jimmy Dore have done and is jumping on that bandwagon.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Jun 13, 2022 17:42:49 GMT
Like I said, I don’t think Maher has much of a particular ideology in general. The man has recently been friendly with people like Ben Shapiro, so I think it’s pretty apparent that he just wants to be a contrarian. Really? Up until the last few years, he seemed to have a pretty consistent political framework. He's been a lifelong Democrat (he would pretty much never vote for a Republican), he opposes religion, he opposed the Iraq War, he's an ardent proponent of gun control, he's pro-choice, he hated the Bush administration. I would say this is enough to put him in the "lib" camp. It really does just seem in the last few years he's inching more and more to right, again I think he just saw what people like Dave Rubin and Jimmy Dore and have done and is jumping on that bandwagon. Believe it or not, there was a time when hating the Bush administration was seen as the daring and contrarian thing to do. It wasn’t necessarily a sign of how liberal a person was. Even people like Alex Jones hated Bush. Same thing goes for criticizing religion. Being an atheist who hates religion was seen as the edgy and rebellious thing to do back in the day. I’m not saying Maher is necessarily a right-winger, but I don’t think he particularly cares about supporting Democratic causes, and he’s made it pretty clear in recent years that he doesn’t mind being friendly with some ultra religious conservative types, so long as they can agree that “woke politics” are bad.
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Post by lune7000 on Jun 14, 2022 3:01:44 GMT
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