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Post by kolchak92 on Jun 12, 2022 1:50:47 GMT
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Post by ck100 on Jun 12, 2022 1:56:09 GMT
Remember when violent video games were being blamed for mass shootings?
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Post by politicidal on Jun 12, 2022 1:57:53 GMT
Remember when violent video games were being blamed for mass shootings? Or Dungeons & Dragons leading to Satanism. Maybe Louisiana Voodoo....
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Post by thisguy4000 on Jun 12, 2022 2:01:55 GMT
I never understood the argument that you’re not allowed to advocate for gun control if you play a fictional character who uses guns.
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Post by lowtacks86 on Jun 12, 2022 2:07:13 GMT
So he's slowly becoming a right winger? I guess that's where the money is at for him now. His takes have become more "get off my lawn"-esque over the years, probably nobody watches cable anymore except boomers. Also if he's gonna at least partly blame movie violence for the mass shootings, why don't other countries with violent movies have the same problem with mass shootings? Did this occur to his simpleton brain? This is like a Dave Rubin level take, and that's really sad.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Jun 12, 2022 2:27:19 GMT
So he's slowly becoming a right winger? I guess that's where the money is at for him now. His takes have become more "get off my lawn"-esque over the years, probably nobody watches cable anymore except boomers. Also if he's gonna at least partly blame movie violence for the mass shootings, why don't other countries with violent movies have the same problem with mass shootings? Did this occur to his simpleton brain? This is like a Dave Rubin level take, and that's really sad. Bill Maher’s shtick has always been that he’s an edgy contrarian. I don’t think he has much of a particular ideology beyond that.
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Post by lowtacks86 on Jun 12, 2022 2:33:17 GMT
So he's slowly becoming a right winger? I guess that's where the money is at for him now. His takes have become more "get off my lawn"-esque over the years, probably nobody watches cable anymore except boomers. Also if he's gonna at least partly blame movie violence for the mass shootings, why don't other countries with violent movies have the same problem with mass shootings? Did this occur to his simpleton brain? This is like a Dave Rubin level take, and that's really sad. Bill Maher’s shtick has always been that he’s an edgy contrarian. I don’t think he has much of a particular ideology beyond that. I dunno, at least during the Bush administration he seemed like he was at least obstentially on the left, although he had some reactionary takes even back then (his support of Israel). In the last few years he seems to be inching more and more to the right, his obsession with "wokeness", his dislike of Sanders supporters, his criticism of pro-choicers regarding the Supreme court on Roe v Wade, attacking medicare for all, and now this. What's "liberal" about him at this point? He's an edgy atheist? Well so was Ayn Rand.
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Post by kolchak92 on Jun 12, 2022 2:42:52 GMT
Bill Maher’s shtick has always been that he’s an edgy contrarian. I don’t think he has much of a particular ideology beyond that. I dunno, at least during the Bush administration he seemed like he was at least obstentially on the left, although he had some reactionary takes even back then (his support of Israel). In the last few years he seems to be inching more and more to the right, his obsession with "wokeness", his dislike of Sanders supporters, his criticism of pro-choicers regarding the Supreme court on Roe v Wade, attacking medicare for all, and now this. What's "liberal" about him at this point? He's an edgy atheist? Well so was Ayn Rand. He's still very anti-Trump though. Once he starts praising Trump and the insurrectionists, and parroting back lies about the election being stolen, then I think he'll have truly crossed the line.
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Post by lowtacks86 on Jun 12, 2022 2:47:43 GMT
I dunno, at least during the Bush administration he seemed like he was at least obstentially on the left, although he had some reactionary takes even back then (his support of Israel). In the last few years he seems to be inching more and more to the right, his obsession with "wokeness", his dislike of Sanders supporters, his criticism of pro-choicers regarding the Supreme court on Roe v Wade, attacking medicare for all, and now this. What's "liberal" about him at this point? He's an edgy atheist? Well so was Ayn Rand. He's still very anti-Trump though. Once he starts praising Trump and the insurrectionists, and parroting back lies about the election being stolen, then I think he'll have truly crossed the line. Yeah but so is Liz Cheney and George W Bush, and no one in the right mind would call them "liberals". I dunno if he'll actually pull a full on Dave Rubin ("I'm leaving the left!"), more likely I think he's just gonna play the "I'm still a liberal but the left has gone too far!" card and constantly capitulate to the right (the Tim Pool method)
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Post by thisguy4000 on Jun 12, 2022 2:48:22 GMT
Bill Maher’s shtick has always been that he’s an edgy contrarian. I don’t think he has much of a particular ideology beyond that. I dunno, at least during the Bush administration he seemed like he was at least obstentially on the left, although he had some reactionary takes even back then (his support of Israel). In the last few years he seems to be inching more and more to the right, his obsession with "wokeness", his dislike of Sanders supporters, his criticism of pro-choicers regarding the Supreme court on Roe v Wade, attacking medicare for all, and now this. What's "liberal" about him at this point? He's an edgy atheist? Well so was Ayn Rand. I actually don’t think Bill Maher is particularly liberal. He’s one of those “both sides suck” and “political correctness is ruining everything” people. In other words, he’s a libertarian.
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Post by lune7000 on Jun 12, 2022 2:52:03 GMT
Maher likes to point out hypocrisy and he is right this time: Hollywood wants to have its cake and eat it too. Nobody makes guns and killing look more exciting and attractive than Hollywood. Hollywood worships gun violence and makes killers look totally cool.
And before you jump to your keyboard and type: "people are responsible for what they do, not Hollywood" remember these points:
1. Advertisers spend billions each year and track it according to sales- do you really think they would do that if they didn't know that images influence behavior?
2. if you argue its all about personal responsibility then that is exactly what gun makers would say
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Post by kolchak92 on Jun 12, 2022 2:52:29 GMT
I dunno, at least during the Bush administration he seemed like he was at least obstentially on the left, although he had some reactionary takes even back then (his support of Israel). In the last few years he seems to be inching more and more to the right, his obsession with "wokeness", his dislike of Sanders supporters, his criticism of pro-choicers regarding the Supreme court on Roe v Wade, attacking medicare for all, and now this. What's "liberal" about him at this point? He's an edgy atheist? Well so was Ayn Rand. I actually don’t think Bill Maher is particularly liberal. He’s one of those “both sides suck” and “political correctness is ruining everything” people. In other words, he’s a libertarian. His mindset is very similar, in my opinion to Matt and Trey from South Park.
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Post by lowtacks86 on Jun 12, 2022 2:55:08 GMT
I dunno, at least during the Bush administration he seemed like he was at least obstentially on the left, although he had some reactionary takes even back then (his support of Israel). In the last few years he seems to be inching more and more to the right, his obsession with "wokeness", his dislike of Sanders supporters, his criticism of pro-choicers regarding the Supreme court on Roe v Wade, attacking medicare for all, and now this. What's "liberal" about him at this point? He's an edgy atheist? Well so was Ayn Rand. I actually don’t think Bill Maher is particularly liberal. He’s one of those “both sides suck” and “political correctness is ruining everything” people. In other words, he’s a libertarian. Well you're essentially describing Joe Rogan (well Rogan back when he was more of a centrist, now he's basically just a conservative). To Maher's credit I wouldn't put him in that camp, unlike Rogan, he pretty much would never vote Republican. He was a heavy critic of the Bush administation, supported gay rights, criticized the Iraq War, supported Obama, Hilary, and Biden in the last few elections. He is a liberal, he's just not a progressive (despite what a lot of people believe, they're not the same thing). If I had to label him something it would be a neoliberal with some boomer takes.
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Post by kolchak92 on Jun 12, 2022 2:56:05 GMT
He's still very anti-Trump though. Once he starts praising Trump and the insurrectionists, and parroting back lies about the election being stolen, then I think he'll have truly crossed the line. Yeah but so is Liz Cheney and George W Bush, and no one in the right mind would call them "liberals". I dunno if he'll actually pull a full on Dave Rubin ("I'm leaving the left!"), more likely I think he's just gonna play the "I'm still a liberal but the left has gone too far!" card and constantly capitulate to the right (the Tim Pool method) Fair point, I'm just saying though that I don't think it's quite fair to label him as a conservative at this point. He likes to point out how obnoxious liberals can be, but aside from also being anti-Trump, I don't think he supports traditional conservative ideas either (small government, states rights etc).
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Post by lowtacks86 on Jun 12, 2022 3:00:48 GMT
Yeah but so is Liz Cheney and George W Bush, and no one in the right mind would call them "liberals". I dunno if he'll actually pull a full on Dave Rubin ("I'm leaving the left!"), more likely I think he's just gonna play the "I'm still a liberal but the left has gone too far!" card and constantly capitulate to the right (the Tim Pool method) Fair point, I'm just saying though that I don't think it's quite fair to label him as a conservative at this point. He likes to point out how obnoxious liberals can be, but aside from also being anti-Trump, I don't think he supports traditional conservative ideas either (small government, states rights etc). Oh I'm not saying he's a "conservative" (again I would say he's more of neoliberal with some boomer takes), but he does seem to be pandering more and more to the right. He's pretty much doing what Dave Rubin used to do ("Im the only reasonable liberal left! The left has gone too far!"), most likely because TV viewers keep getting older and older and he has to pander to them.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Jun 12, 2022 3:07:41 GMT
I actually don’t think Bill Maher is particularly liberal. He’s one of those “both sides suck” and “political correctness is ruining everything” people. In other words, he’s a libertarian. Well you're essentially describing Joe Rogan (well Rogan back when he was more of a centrist, now he's basically just a conservative). To Maher's credit I wouldn't put him in that camp, unlike Rogan, he pretty much would never vote Republican. He was a heavy critic of the Bush administation, supported gay rights, criticized the Iraq War, supported Obama, Hilary, and Biden in the last few elections. He is a liberal, he's just not a progressive (despite what a lot of people believe, they're not the same thing). If I had to label him something it would be a neoliberal with some boomer takes. When it comes to things like gay rights, it always seemed like that had more to do with the fact that religion tends to be anti-gay, and Maher is an atheist who hates religion. I don’t think he’s particularly passionate about most of the things Democrats are fighting for. He just wants to make edgy jokes and have spicy takes, and these days, people seem to think there’s nothing spicier than saying that political correctness is going too far, and that trans rights activists are weird. He hasn’t become a full-blown Trump supporter or anything, but most libertarians don’t seem to consider themselves Trump supporters.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Jun 12, 2022 3:42:43 GMT
Maher likes to point out hypocrisy and he is right this time: Hollywood wants to have its cake and eat it too. Nobody makes guns and killing look more exciting and attractive than Hollywood. Hollywood worships gun violence and makes killers look totally cool. And before you jump to your keyboard and type: "people are responsible for what they do, not Hollywood" remember these points: 1. Advertisers spend billions each year and track it according to sales- do you really think they would do that if they didn't know that images influence behavior? 2. if you argue its all about personal responsibility then that is exactly what gun makers would say The people complaining that the left is trying to censor everything are the same ones suggesting it's Hollywood's fault for glamorizing violence. You're allowed to tell fictional stories. People can do questionable or even terrible things in fiction with the point being to entertain the audience, or make a commentary (either overt or subtle) on the topic at hand. These movies are exported around the world, yet other nations do not have our gun violence problem...because they don't have the guns. Doesn't take a genius to connect those dots. I had to chuckle at the predictable 'whataboutism' response of conservatives, sharing a collage of McConaughey's various movie roles featuring firearms. One of them was that Civil War period piece. I'm willing to bet McConaughey would be perfectly fine with everyone having the right to own a musket. I wonder how many people a shooter could take out with that before he was subdued? As I understand it, McConaughey wants stricter gun laws, not a ban on firearms. I agree with him, but I'll take it a step further. You want a shotgun or a rifle for hunting, fine. Maybe a pistol for personal safety or home protection. And of course, recreational target shooting. But McConaughey thinks you should be 21 to get your hands on an assault rifle. I think they shouldn't be available to the general public, period. Unlike the other weapons mentioned, they serve no purpose other than to kill people by the handful. To me, if you want the responsibility of handling that kind of hardware, join the military. Discipline, service, sacrifice. There should be some kind of tradeoff for that kind of power. Yes, soldiers can and have lost their minds and started shooting people. But at least in this case, genuine effort will have been put in before the shooting begins. It won't be any geek off the street who had a bad day. Simply adding this level of difficulty to obtain an assault rifle would drop mass shootings by 80% at least. And if you're going to tell me you need an assault rifle to protect your home because the bad guys have them too, that proves my point. There are too goddamn many of them out there.
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Post by mortsahlfan on Jun 12, 2022 18:24:27 GMT
So he's slowly becoming a right winger? I guess that's where the money is at for him now. His takes have become more "get off my lawn"-esque over the years, probably nobody watches cable anymore except boomers. Also if he's gonna at least partly blame movie violence for the mass shootings, why don't other countries with violent movies have the same problem with mass shootings? Did this occur to his simpleton brain? This is like a Dave Rubin level take, and that's really sad. I was just online, and someone said, "He's trying to be Mort Sahl", which is the worst comparison ever. Mort Sahl only went after power. He never "punched down". I didn't even like when Maher mentioned him as an influence. Mort just attacked hypocrisy. Maher is doing exactly what you think he's doing. He knows where the money is at. It's like Jimmy Dore and the "RT lefties" who are anti-war, except when it's Russia.
Everyone blames everything, but no one asks, "WHY are there so many miserable people in this country?" and for the other side, "WHY is there so much mental illness?"... The best answer I got is the over-medicating of Americans, and then I looked back when I lived in Europe and how no one ever took pills for anything, and would criticize us Americans in hostels for taking pills for this and for that.
I think it's the lack of soul nutrition. If we had amazing movies, music, literature, humor, etc., people wouldn't be so empty. The media milks a story to death, so even someone suicidal thinks, "I can get attention. Everyone will talk about me. And they can read all my laments in some manifesto" and take down anyone else they want to take with them, like the last one who shot his grandma.
I've done a lot of phone-talking during the pandemic, especially to those I haven't talked to in years. The one thing is consistent -- people don't see any hope in the future, and feel we're past the point of no return. I'm just on here hoping even one person checks out a movie (or my username) or anything ... partly for the possibility of a conversation, but just to get people to see a different side, and then maybe they can search and report back, and spread good recommendations to me and others.
Bill Maher also does this shit every week to get his name trending. I wasn't going to reply to this, but since I am, there it is... He's just trolling. He sold out right after 9/11.. .He went from truthfully saying, "Aren't WE the cowards".. Then, he kisses the GOP ass, and as mentioned before, he supports APARTHEIDisrael and a lot of other sketchy shit that has no resemblance to anything left-winged or liberal. He would even call himself a libertarian (I don't think he's that, either). He seems more like a neo-con who knows the business he's in, so he's not going to shit-talk minorities, unless they're Middle-Eastern and especially Muslims, because there's no pushback - it's accepted.
But, then on the other side of the coin, he'll mention "I know what it's like to lose a show" and use it as if he had any guts.. But he assumes everyone is dumb, and has no memory, or can't simply go on YouTube and see everything happen chronologically.
Here's the best interview about comedy. Hell, during the Cuban Missile Crisis,... Mort refused to stop satirizing "The New Frontier" (and Mort wrote for JFK during the election, and JFK is quoted in Time magazine saying Sahl is his favorite comedian) and Joseph Kennedy made sure he'd lose his standing as the #1 spot in terms of popularity. He starts out one album with... "Here we are on 'The New Frontier' ----- CUBA! .... and then takes another hit when he's a deputized member of DA New Orleans Jim Garrison's staff.
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Post by lune7000 on Jun 12, 2022 22:00:26 GMT
Bill Maher is not becoming more right wing. It just appears that way because the Democratic Party has become super extreme left wing.
Democrats of 15 years ago would never have supported trans guys beating up girls in sports, full term abortion and defunding the police. The Party left Bill, not the other way around.
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Post by Jason143 on Jun 12, 2022 22:22:23 GMT
No. Real life mass shooters who get public press, notoriety and infamy are 100x more influential to would-be mass shooters than Rambo with a machine gun.
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