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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2023 18:56:37 GMT
I feel like this question sums up what is wrong with Marvel right now. Too many characters and almost none of them are currently fit to be leads of the franchise.
Decent but not ideal choices…
We have Doctor Strange as the only obvious choice. Benedict Cumberbatch is one of the few actors good enough to take the lead role in such a major franchise and the character has been mostly set up for it. Though he still has few established relationships with any one else in the franchise.
Spiderman. They finally got the character right with No Way Home and Holland is pretty good. But nobody knows him now due to the spell. No relationships with any other characters.
Bad Choices…
Sam Wilson. He’s the new Cap. But Mackie is just not leading role material. He could barely carry a show.
Captain Marvel. A divisive and poorly developed one note character (so far. The sequel could change this)
Black Panther. Would’ve worked with Boseman. Shuri is not even close to being lead character material and Wright is a poor choice to be the star.
Thor. Would’ve been ideal after Infinity War. But now he is a joke.
Shang Chi. Boring character with no depth.
Hulk. His arc is done and his current form is unpopular.
Ant Man. Perfect for a supporting role, but to comedic for the lead.
She Hulk? 😂😂😂😂
Fantastic Four. Probably will fill this role but we’ll have to see how good it is.
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Feb 19, 2023 19:10:01 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2023 19:19:29 GMT
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Post by James on Feb 19, 2023 19:23:25 GMT
Doctor Strange would certainly be the most ideal choice at the moment. Not that he has established relationships with most of the other characters, but he seems to be the closest to leadership material.
I mean, even Tony didn't have established relationships with anyone before Avengers 1 besides Black Widow; if they can have character moments like in that film then it could work.
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Post by Skaathar on Feb 19, 2023 19:40:08 GMT
Dr. Strange is the obvious choice but judging from his character arc lately in the MCU, I doubt that's the plan for him. In the last few films he's appeared he seems to be used more as the enabler rather than a true leader. Like he's just used to make the plot move along.
Feige originally said Captain Marvel was supposed to be the new flagship character, but after the less than stellar reception she got we've no longer heard Feige mention anything similar.
Thor could have been a decent choice, but they messed up his character so much that he'd make about as good a leader as Drax at this point.
I'm pretty sure the MCU will make Falcon the new leader. He's being set-up in that manner. Personally, I hate it. He just didn't have enough development in his character arc to justify making him the leader.
A smarter choice would actually be Rhodey or Hawkeye.
Though my personal pick would be Vision. Or if the MCU really wants to subvert expectations, Icarus! Make him come back from the dead with a healthy dose of new respect for earthlings.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2023 19:41:28 GMT
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Feb 19, 2023 19:45:28 GMT
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Post by Power Ranger on Feb 19, 2023 20:38:47 GMT
I’m ok with Sam Wilson, or at least I was until TF&TWS. The next in line would be War Machine. Both of them are military and Rhodey is the senior so make him the leader.
Edit- but it should be an ensemble piece, obviously. You meant lead actor, right? So yeah, have half a dozen leads. As to the leader, it should be Rhodey.
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Post by Power Ranger on Feb 19, 2023 20:49:01 GMT
Dr. Strange is the obvious choice but judging from his character arc lately in the MCU, I doubt that's the plan for him. In the last few films he's appeared he seems to be used more as the enabler rather than a true leader. Like he's just used to make the plot move along. Feige originally said Captain Marvel was supposed to be the new flagship character, but after the less than stellar reception she got we've no longer heard Feige mention anything similar. Thor could have been a decent choice, but they messed up his character so much that he'd make about as good a leader as Drax at this point. I'm pretty sure the MCU will make Falcon the new leader. He's being set-up in that manner. Personally, I hate it. He just didn't have enough development in his character arc to justify making him the leader. A smarter choice would actually be Rhodey or Hawkeye. Though my personal pick would be Vision. Or if the MCU really wants to subvert expectations, Icarus! Make him come back from the dead with a healthy dose of new respect for earthlings. Thor was always too dumb to be a leader. He was a prince and I don’t think he has much education and might even be special, like autism or something. |
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Post by kuatorises on Feb 19, 2023 20:52:29 GMT
I was gonna ask, what is the current state of The Avengers? Is there even a team or headquarters?
To answer your question..... yeah, that's a pretty weak lineup. Rhodey is actually an excellent suggestion. That's the only logical choice. They'll probably pick Sam or Captain Marvel, which kinda sucks as they are both somewhat unlikable.
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Post by Power Ranger on Feb 19, 2023 20:59:38 GMT
I was gonna ask, what is the current state of The Avengers? Is there even a team or headquarters? To answer your question..... yeah, that's a pretty weak lineup. Rhodey is actually an excellent suggestion. That's the only logical choice. They'll probably pick Sam or Captain Marvel, which kinda sucks as they are both somewhat unlikable. I think the lineup is Sam aka Captain Terrorist-Sympather aka Cucktain America, Captain Mehvel, War Machine, Dr.Strange, Black Widow (Yelena) and Spider-Man. |
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Post by kuatorises on Feb 19, 2023 21:02:56 GMT
I was gonna ask, what is the current state of The Avengers? Is there even a team or headquarters? To answer your question..... yeah, that's a pretty weak lineup. Rhodey is actually an excellent suggestion. That's the only logical choice. They'll probably pick Sam or Captain Marvel, which kinda sucks as they are both somewhat unlikable. I think the lineup is Sam aka Captain Terrorist-Sympather aka Cucktain America, Captain Mehvel, War Machine, Dr.Strange, Black Widow (Yelena) and Spider-Man. Yeah, I'm not a fan. I though Evan's Cap was a dick too, but I loved watching him fight and he's a good man. Sam I just don't get as a person. "yOu"vE GoT tO StOp CaLLiNg ThEm TeRRoRiStS!" rubs me the wrong way. |
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Post by Power Ranger on Feb 19, 2023 21:06:19 GMT
I think the lineup is Sam aka Captain Terrorist-Sympather aka Cucktain America, Captain Mehvel, War Machine, Dr.Strange, Black Widow (Yelena) and Spider-Man. Yeah, I'm not a fan. I though Evan's Cap was a dick too, but I loved watching him fight and he's a good man. Sam I just don't get as a person. "yOu"vE GoT tO StOp CaLLiNg ThEm TeRRoRiStS!" rubs me the wrong way. Before that Sam was good. He was good in CA:TWS and CA:CW. In CA:TWS he had enough character depth. He is a soldier who has seen a lot and is devoted to helping veterans. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2023 21:51:09 GMT
I was gonna ask, what is the current state of The Avengers? Is there even a team or headquarters? To answer your question..... yeah, that's a pretty weak lineup. Rhodey is actually an excellent suggestion. That's the only logical choice. They'll probably pick Sam or Captain Marvel, which kinda sucks as they are both somewhat unlikable. Rhodey just doesn’t have that much development. He’s never actually had a character arc yet. He is getting a movie though soon so I supposed they could fix that. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2023 21:56:18 GMT
Dr. Strange is the obvious choice but judging from his character arc lately in the MCU, I doubt that's the plan for him. In the last few films he's appeared he seems to be used more as the enabler rather than a true leader. Like he's just used to make the plot move along. Feige originally said Captain Marvel was supposed to be the new flagship character, but after the less than stellar reception she got we've no longer heard Feige mention anything similar. Thor could have been a decent choice, but they messed up his character so much that he'd make about as good a leader as Drax at this point. I'm pretty sure the MCU will make Falcon the new leader. He's being set-up in that manner. Personally, I hate it. He just didn't have enough development in his character arc to justify making him the leader. A smarter choice would actually be Rhodey or Hawkeye. Though my personal pick would be Vision. Or if the MCU really wants to subvert expectations, Icarus! Make him come back from the dead with a healthy dose of new respect for earthlings. Strange is really the only one who has complex characterization. I don’t think he would be the leader but more of the Tony Stark figure who almost borders on being an anti-hero. He goes to extremes and is often cold and calculating. That could create some interesting conflict with the more empathetic characters, as it did with Spidey in NWH. |
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Post by kuatorises on Feb 19, 2023 22:23:54 GMT
I was gonna ask, what is the current state of The Avengers? Is there even a team or headquarters? To answer your question..... yeah, that's a pretty weak lineup. Rhodey is actually an excellent suggestion. That's the only logical choice. They'll probably pick Sam or Captain Marvel, which kinda sucks as they are both somewhat unlikable. He’s never actually had a character arc yet. He is getting a movie though soon so I supposed they could fix that. That's how bad the other options are.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Feb 19, 2023 22:47:20 GMT
In an ideal world, the Fantastic Four would’ve been introduced earlier in the Multiverse Saga, and would be the central characters. They’re the title that put Stan Lee on the map, and are the ones who jumpstarted the Marvel Universe as we know it today, so it would’ve been appropriate. Plus, Kang is directly connected to Reed Richards.
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Post by Power Ranger on Feb 19, 2023 22:47:43 GMT
Dr. Strange is the obvious choice but judging from his character arc lately in the MCU, I doubt that's the plan for him. In the last few films he's appeared he seems to be used more as the enabler rather than a true leader. Like he's just used to make the plot move along. Feige originally said Captain Marvel was supposed to be the new flagship character, but after the less than stellar reception she got we've no longer heard Feige mention anything similar. Thor could have been a decent choice, but they messed up his character so much that he'd make about as good a leader as Drax at this point. I'm pretty sure the MCU will make Falcon the new leader. He's being set-up in that manner. Personally, I hate it. He just didn't have enough development in his character arc to justify making him the leader. A smarter choice would actually be Rhodey or Hawkeye. Though my personal pick would be Vision. Or if the MCU really wants to subvert expectations, Icarus! Make him come back from the dead with a healthy dose of new respect for earthlings. Strange is really the only one who has complex characterization. I don’t think he would be the leader but more of the Tony Stark figure who almost borders on being an anti-hero. He goes to extremes and is often cold and calculating. That could create some interesting conflict with the more empathetic characters, as it did with Spidey in NWH. Strange can be at odds with War Machine in regards to magic vs technology and weaponry. I can see Rhodey not trusting Strange. But then ultimately they have something in common in that they’re both disabled. Rhodey is also a very serious guy who would have a personality clash with Strange, Spidey and Thor. |
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Post by Skaathar on Feb 19, 2023 22:49:48 GMT
Yeah, I'm not a fan. I though Evan's Cap was a dick too, but I loved watching him fight and he's a good man. Sam I just don't get as a person. "yOu"vE GoT tO StOp CaLLiNg ThEm TeRRoRiStS!" rubs me the wrong way. Before that Sam was good. He was good in CA:TWS and CA:CW. In CA:TWS he had enough character depth. He is a soldier who has seen a lot and is devoted to helping veterans. Both Sam Wilson the character and Anthonie Mackie the actor are great as side characters but not as a lead. I've seen Anthony Mackie in other lead roles and he's always felt lacking. Same with Sam Wilson, his character arc just didn't seem developed to be a leader. That's why him being Captain America felt so off but he was perfectly fine as Falcon. Rhodey has even less development, yet for some reason I can imagine him better as a leader. Still, only T'Challa and Strange were solid contenders for leadership. But T'Challa is dead and I feel like the MCU is unwilling to make Strange the flagship character. |
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Post by Power Ranger on Feb 19, 2023 23:16:41 GMT
If it’s an Avengers movie he won’t be a lead as in carrying a movie, but just one of the many leads. And since when does being a leader mean the most central role anyway? And why does a character arc prior to a film mean he can’t lead? By that logic, there would be no leaders portrayed in any films.
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