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Post by Skaathar on Feb 19, 2023 23:24:56 GMT
If it’s an Avengers movie he won’t be a lead as in carrying a movie, but just one of the many leads. And since when does being a leader mean the most central role anyway? And why does a character arc prior to a film mean he can’t lead? By that logic, there would be no leaders portrayed in any films. Because a movie like the Kang Wars is a culmination and ensemble film. It isn't a standalone film nor is it a film that has enough free time to full develop a leader inside the film (unlike say an origin story). Majority of the characters would have needed to already been developed previously by the time they're featured in Kang Wars.
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Post by Skaathar on Feb 19, 2023 23:28:48 GMT
This also reminds me how irritated I am that Idris Elba wasn't cast as War Machine.
That would have been the perfect casting and he'd be in the perfect position to take lead of the Avengers at this point.
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Post by blockbusted on Feb 19, 2023 23:32:23 GMT
Before that Sam was good. He was good in CA:TWS and CA:CW. In CA:TWS he had enough character depth. He is a soldier who has seen a lot and is devoted to helping veterans. Both Sam Wilson the character and Anthonie Mackie the actor are great as side characters but not as a lead. I've seen Anthony Mackie in other lead roles and he's always felt lacking. Same with Sam Wilson, his character arc just didn't seem developed to be a leader. That's why him being Captain America felt so off but he was perfectly fine as Falcon. Rhodey has even less development, yet for some reason I can imagine him better as a leader. Still, only T'Challa and Strange were solid contenders for leadership. But T'Challa is dead and I feel like the MCU is unwilling to make Strange the flagship character. I think the fact that Doctor Strange has bit of a d!ckish personality might be hindering Marvel from using him as the new flagship character.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2023 23:35:32 GMT
In an ideal world, the Fantastic Four would’ve been introduced earlier in the Multiverse Saga, and would be the central characters. They’re the title that put Stan Lee on the map, and are the ones who jumpstarted the Marvel Universe as we know it today, so it would’ve been appropriate. Plus, Kang is directly connected to Reed Richards. Oh for sure. It was so odd to do Black Widow (no longer relevant) and Eternals (seemingly not relevant to this phase) before F4. They should’ve been one of the first out of the gate in Phase 4.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2023 23:37:57 GMT
Both Sam Wilson the character and Anthonie Mackie the actor are great as side characters but not as a lead. I've seen Anthony Mackie in other lead roles and he's always felt lacking. Same with Sam Wilson, his character arc just didn't seem developed to be a leader. That's why him being Captain America felt so off but he was perfectly fine as Falcon. Rhodey has even less development, yet for some reason I can imagine him better as a leader. Still, only T'Challa and Strange were solid contenders for leadership. But T'Challa is dead and I feel like the MCU is unwilling to make Strange the flagship character. I think the fact that Doctor Strange has bit of a d!ckish personality might be hindering Marvel from using him as the new flagship character. Stark was a bit of a dick too though. It’s what lends to good conflict within the group.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2023 23:39:24 GMT
If it’s an Avengers movie he won’t be a lead as in carrying a movie, but just one of the many leads. And since when does being a leader mean the most central role anyway? And why does a character arc prior to a film mean he can’t lead? By that logic, there would be no leaders portrayed in any films. By “lead” I meant lead character, not necessarily the leader of the team.
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Post by Skaathar on Feb 20, 2023 0:36:35 GMT
I think the fact that Doctor Strange has bit of a d!ckish personality might be hindering Marvel from using him as the new flagship character. Stark was a bit of a dick too though. It’s what lends to good conflict within the group. Yeah, I'm pretty sure Stark was a bigger jerk than Strange, especially after Strange finished his kamartaj training
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Post by blockbusted on Feb 20, 2023 0:47:23 GMT
I think the fact that Doctor Strange has bit of a d!ckish personality might be hindering Marvel from using him as the new flagship character. Stark was a bit of a dick too though. It’s what lends to good conflict within the group. I think the difference is that Stark becoming a better person was the point of his character arc, not to mention that he had Steve Rogers to balance that out. Doctor Strange doesn’t really have anyone else who can balance out his personality.
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Post by blockbusted on Feb 20, 2023 0:48:11 GMT
Stark was a bit of a dick too though. It’s what lends to good conflict within the group. Yeah, I'm pretty sure Stark was a bigger jerk than Strange, especially after Strange finished his kamartaj training I’ve said this to another poster, but I think the difference is that Doctor Strange doesn’t really have a prominent-enough character to balance out his personality while Stark had Steve Rogers. Honestly, I think the death of Chadwick Boseman derailed the entire MCU far, Far, FAR more than anyone at Marvel want(s) to admit.
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Post by blockbusted on Feb 20, 2023 0:56:33 GMT
Dr. Strange is the obvious choice but judging from his character arc lately in the MCU, I doubt that's the plan for him. In the last few films he's appeared he seems to be used more as the enabler rather than a true leader. Like he's just used to make the plot move along. Feige originally said Captain Marvel was supposed to be the new flagship character, but after the less than stellar reception she got we've no longer heard Feige mention anything similar. Thor could have been a decent choice, but they messed up his character so much that he'd make about as good a leader as Drax at this point. I'm pretty sure the MCU will make Falcon the new leader. He's being set-up in that manner. Personally, I hate it. He just didn't have enough development in his character arc to justify making him the leader. A smarter choice would actually be Rhodey or Hawkeye. Though my personal pick would be Vision. Or if the MCU really wants to subvert expectations, Icarus! Make him come back from the dead with a healthy dose of new respect for earthlings. Hawkeye is probably out of option for now due to the injury that Jeremy Renner has sustained earlier this year.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2023 1:23:27 GMT
Stark was a bit of a dick too though. It’s what lends to good conflict within the group. I think the difference is that Stark becoming a better person was the point of his character arc, not to mention that he had Steve Rogers to balance that out. Doctor Strange doesn’t really have anyone else who can balance out his personality. Strange grows in both his movies as well. I also thought Peter really did a good job of balancing him out in No Way Home. Peter’s compassionate approach to the villains contrasted with Strange’s calculating dispassionate solution to let them die.
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Post by politicidal on Feb 20, 2023 2:22:36 GMT
Yeah, I'm pretty sure Stark was a bigger jerk than Strange, especially after Strange finished his kamartaj training I’ve said this to another poster, but I think the difference is that Doctor Strange doesn’t really have a prominent-enough character to balance out his personality while Stark had Steve Rogers. Honestly, I think the death of Chadwick Boseman derailed the entire MCU far, Far, FAR more than anyone at Marvel want(s) to admit.Marvel:
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Post by blockbusted on Feb 20, 2023 3:31:12 GMT
I’ve said this to another poster, but I think the difference is that Doctor Strange doesn’t really have a prominent-enough character to balance out his personality while Stark had Steve Rogers. Honestly, I think the death of Chadwick Boseman derailed the entire MCU far, Far, FAR more than anyone at Marvel want(s) to admit.Marvel: And I can’t really blame Marvel either since saying that his death derailed MCU might come off as a cancer victim blaming. Keep in mind, Boseman himself was apparently preparing for filming ‘Black Panther’ sequel just before he died, meaning that he might’ve not expected his death to come that soon.
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Feb 20, 2023 4:48:06 GMT
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Feb 20, 2023 4:51:05 GMT
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Post by paulslaugh on Feb 20, 2023 5:21:05 GMT
I think Dr Strange, but the who post-Avengers de facto leader becomes may come from left field.
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Post by paulslaugh on Feb 20, 2023 5:21:48 GMT
I know, he needs to speak up.
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Post by paulslaugh on Feb 20, 2023 5:22:55 GMT
I'm hiding a hammer in my cloak.
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Post by paulslaugh on Feb 20, 2023 5:24:36 GMT
I was gonna ask, what is the current state of The Avengers? Is there even a team or headquarters? To answer your question..... yeah, that's a pretty weak lineup. Rhodey is actually an excellent suggestion. That's the only logical choice. They'll probably pick Sam or Captain Marvel, which kinda sucks as they are both somewhat unlikable. I think it's currently being ran out of the back of Luis's van.
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Post by paulslaugh on Feb 20, 2023 5:27:01 GMT
Both Sam Wilson the character and Anthonie Mackie the actor are great as side characters but not as a lead. I've seen Anthony Mackie in other lead roles and he's always felt lacking. Same with Sam Wilson, his character arc just didn't seem developed to be a leader. That's why him being Captain America felt so off but he was perfectly fine as Falcon. Rhodey has even less development, yet for some reason I can imagine him better as a leader. Still, only T'Challa and Strange were solid contenders for leadership. But T'Challa is dead and I feel like the MCU is unwilling to make Strange the flagship character. I think the fact that Doctor Strange has bit of a d!ckish personality might be hindering Marvel from using him as the new flagship character. Technically Wong should be the leader since he's the Sorcerer Supreme, but he got tangled up with Madisynn, so....
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