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Post by Skaathar on Feb 20, 2023 7:53:09 GMT
Here's a thought: Why not have Michelle Pfeifer's Wasp take lead in the Kang Wars?
I haven't watched Quantumania yet but I heard she has some pretty hefty scenes with Kang, so we might say that she has the most connections to him. Pfeifer is also a great actress and can bring enough gravitas to the lead role.
And another suggestion out of left field: How bout Loki? I mean, he already encountered a different version of Kang, he's a beloved MCU character and he's portrayed by a very skilled Tom Hiddleston.
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Post by Lux on Feb 20, 2023 10:14:40 GMT
Both Sam Wilson the character and Anthonie Mackie the actor are great as side characters but not as a lead. I've seen Anthony Mackie in other lead roles and he's always felt lacking. Same with Sam Wilson, his character arc just didn't seem developed to be a leader. That's why him being Captain America felt so off but he was perfectly fine as Falcon. Rhodey has even less development, yet for some reason I can imagine him better as a leader. Still, only T'Challa and Strange were solid contenders for leadership. But T'Challa is dead and I feel like the MCU is unwilling to make Strange the flagship character. I think the fact that Doctor Strange has bit of a d!ckish personality might be hindering Marvel from using him as the new flagship character. You call that a dickish personality? Yeah the joke about the Fantastic Four name was a bit dickish but he isn't running for president.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Feb 20, 2023 13:06:43 GMT
Here's a thought: Why not have Michelle Pfeifer's Wasp take lead in the Kang Wars? I haven't watched Quantumania yet but I heard she has some pretty hefty scenes with Kang, so we might say that she has the most connections to him. Pfeifer is also a great actress and can bring enough gravitas to the lead role. And another suggestion out of left field: How bout Loki? I mean, he already encountered a different version of Kang, he's a beloved MCU character and he's portrayed by a very skilled Tom Hiddleston. Both great suggestions and interesting twists. Janet was team captain for a while in the comics, it would make a fun nod. Loki would be the ultimate irony, considering his story arc throughout the MCU. Both characters have experience with Kang, as well. I'd vote Loki because I think the character dynamics would be amazing, but either would be fun to see.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Feb 20, 2023 13:16:05 GMT
It's a ways off, but at the moment it has to be Strange. Nobody else really feels like 'leading material,' either in gravitas as a character or presence as an actor. They would really have to do something incredible with Falcon America or Captain Marvel between now and then, to make them feel worthy of Avengers lead.
I really think they were setting it up as Strange/BP/CM as the new Big Three, but Boseman's tragic passing left them searching for an identity going forward. Do we even know if Shuri is the full time Panther from here on out? It isn't that I don't like her as a character, I don't like her as Black Panther. She already had an identity as the tech genius, now she's the ninja master, too? It's like Sam as Cap. I've always liked him, but he's Falcon, not Cap. It would be lame if Hawkeye took Falcon's costume and started calling himself the Hawk. He already has a superhero identity, it's lame to change it. (And yes, I'm aware comics have always done this, I just think it's stupid.)
At this point I'm intrigued as to who will even be on the team, never mind who will lead them.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2023 18:25:10 GMT
I’m actually anticipating a major failure with the next two Avengers because they fail to focus on a new lead. I could see them relying completely on spectacle and cameos and fan service.
Infinity War only works as an ensemble because it was the third Avengers movie with so many familiar faces. Then End Game worked because it erased half the characters and refocused on Stark and Cap.
If Secret Wars is just a bunch of half developed Avengers meeting Hugh Jackman, Tobey MacGuire and a bunch of new Avengers variants it’s just gonna be a hollow mess.
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Post by blockbusted on Feb 20, 2023 18:27:32 GMT
I’m actually anticipating a major failure with the next two Avengers because they fail to focus on a new lead. I could see them relying completely on spectacle and cameos and fan service. Infinity War only works as an ensemble because it was the third Avengers movie with so many familiar faces. Then End Game worked because it erased half the characters and refocused on Stark and Cap. If Secret Wars is just a bunch of half developed Avengers meeting Hugh Jackman, Tobey MacGuire and a bunch of new Avengers variants it’s just gonna be a hollow mess. You kind of have to cut them some slack since MCU lost Chadwick Boseman in such a tragic circumstance.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2023 18:31:28 GMT
I’m actually anticipating a major failure with the next two Avengers because they fail to focus on a new lead. I could see them relying completely on spectacle and cameos and fan service. Infinity War only works as an ensemble because it was the third Avengers movie with so many familiar faces. Then End Game worked because it erased half the characters and refocused on Stark and Cap. If Secret Wars is just a bunch of half developed Avengers meeting Hugh Jackman, Tobey MacGuire and a bunch of new Avengers variants it’s just gonna be a hollow mess. You kind of have to cut them some slack since MCU lost Chadwick Boseman in such a tragic circumstance. That’s true. And I do. His presence would’ve been a huge difference here.
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Post by kuatorises on Feb 20, 2023 19:38:42 GMT
Here's a thought: Why not have Michelle Pfeifer's Wasp take lead in the Kang Wars? I haven't watched Quantumania yet but I heard she has some pretty hefty scenes with Kang, so we might say that she has the most connections to him. Pfeifer is also a great actress and can bring enough gravitas to the lead role. And another suggestion out of left field: How bout Loki? I mean, he already encountered a different version of Kang, he's a beloved MCU character and he's portrayed by a very skilled Tom Hiddleston. Your suggestion of Rhodey is the best one by far. I don't care that he hasn't had a movie. He's the most logical choice outside of Fury.
Loki?! Absolutely not.
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Post by Skaathar on Feb 21, 2023 6:34:44 GMT
Here's a thought: Why not have Michelle Pfeifer's Wasp take lead in the Kang Wars? I haven't watched Quantumania yet but I heard she has some pretty hefty scenes with Kang, so we might say that she has the most connections to him. Pfeifer is also a great actress and can bring enough gravitas to the lead role. And another suggestion out of left field: How bout Loki? I mean, he already encountered a different version of Kang, he's a beloved MCU character and he's portrayed by a very skilled Tom Hiddleston. Your suggestion of Rhodey is the best one by far. I don't care that he hasn't had a movie. He's the most logical choice outside of Fury.
Loki?! Absolutely not.
I agree, Warmachine is definitely the most logical. But if the MCU ever wanted to subvert expectations, making Loki the lead would be incredible. Nobody would see it coming and, assuming they're able to write it properly and pull it off successfully, it would be a massive cinematic accomplishment. The kind of stuff that people will talk about for years to come.
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Post by kuatorises on Feb 21, 2023 14:59:37 GMT
Your suggestion of Rhodey is the best one by far. I don't care that he hasn't had a movie. He's the most logical choice outside of Fury.
Loki?! Absolutely not.
I agree, Warmachine is definitely the most logical. But if the MCU ever wanted to subvert expectations, making Loki the lead would be incredible. Nobody would see it coming and, assuming they're able to write it properly and pull it off successfully, it would be a massive cinematic accomplishment. The kind of stuff that people will talk about for years to come. There's no logical/rational reason for Loki to get that job. He is a mass murderer. And not the "I accidentally killed people while defending other people" like Wanda in Civil War. The guy killed people simply because he wanted to be in charge. They could never make that case to MCU characters. There'd be public outrage. It would get our (the audience's) attention but inside that world it's beyond a hard sell.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Feb 21, 2023 17:01:51 GMT
Rumor has it that Tom Holland signed on to be the lead for Kang Dynasty.
I guess we'll find out eventually.
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Post by Skaathar on Feb 21, 2023 21:53:00 GMT
I agree, Warmachine is definitely the most logical. But if the MCU ever wanted to subvert expectations, making Loki the lead would be incredible. Nobody would see it coming and, assuming they're able to write it properly and pull it off successfully, it would be a massive cinematic accomplishment. The kind of stuff that people will talk about for years to come. There's no logical/rational reason for Loki to get that job. He is a mass murderer. And not the "I accidentally killed people while defending other people" like Wanda in Civil War. The guy killed people simply because he wanted to be in charge. They could never make that case to MCU characters. There'd be public outrage. It would get our (the audience's) attention but inside that world it's beyond a hard sell. A few years ago I would have agreed with you, but they pretty much turned Loki into a full hero (if a somewhat bungling one) in his own series. There was almost zero resemblance between D+ Loki and Avengers Loki (which are supposed to be the two shows running back to back in the timeline). So I figured if they were willing to go that far, making Loki into the lead for Kang Wars isn't that far fetched.
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Post by kuatorises on Feb 21, 2023 23:07:40 GMT
There's no logical/rational reason for Loki to get that job. He is a mass murderer. And not the "I accidentally killed people while defending other people" like Wanda in Civil War. The guy killed people simply because he wanted to be in charge. They could never make that case to MCU characters. There'd be public outrage. It would get our (the audience's) attention but inside that world it's beyond a hard sell. A few years ago I would have agreed with you, but they pretty much turned Loki into a full hero (if a somewhat bungling one) in his own series. There was almost zero resemblance between D+ Loki and Avengers Loki (which are supposed to be the two shows running back to back in the timeline). So I figured if they were willing to go that far, making Loki into the lead for Kang Wars isn't that far fetched. 2012 Loki, who this guy is, killed at least 80 people. And that's just on Earth. You cannot lead a planet you tried to conquer.
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Post by Skaathar on Feb 21, 2023 23:20:35 GMT
A few years ago I would have agreed with you, but they pretty much turned Loki into a full hero (if a somewhat bungling one) in his own series. There was almost zero resemblance between D+ Loki and Avengers Loki (which are supposed to be the two shows running back to back in the timeline). So I figured if they were willing to go that far, making Loki into the lead for Kang Wars isn't that far fetched. 2012 Loki, who this guy is, killed at least 80 people. And that's just on Earth. You cannot lead a planet you tried to conquer. To be fair, I'm not sure Kang Wars will be about saving earth. I have a feeling it will be more about saving the timeline... which really isn't that much different from what Loki already did in his TV show.
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Post by politicidal on Feb 22, 2023 0:56:23 GMT
In an interview with Empire, Mackie was asked about the potential for Sam Wilson to be the new leader of Earth's Mightiest Heroes as the new Captain America. "Sam is the only character without superpowers," Mackie said. "He's just a regular dude hanging out with a bunch of weirdos. Being from New Orleans, I've been in a few fights. And heart and charisma never helped me in a fight. That usually just got me beat up. So that might cause an issue when you go fight somebody like Thanos."
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