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Post by Carl LaFong on Feb 26, 2023 21:05:42 GMT
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Post by wickedkittiesmom on Feb 28, 2023 18:35:18 GMT
I don't believe in book bans, I also shudder at the "re-editing" of books, i.e. The Dahl books where words such a fat are being eliminated and now the Ian Fleming books are having "offensive parts removed." If someone is so offended by a book, a movie, a TV show etc., they should just avoid it. I don't want someone else to decide what I am allowed to read, watch or listen to. Maybe whoever is going after all this "offensive " material should start deleting all the offensive stuff in the Christian Bible. This world is becoming very fascist, it scares me.
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Post by Captain Spencer on Feb 28, 2023 20:46:17 GMT
I don't believe in book bans, I also shudder at the "re-editing" of books, i.e. The Dahl books where words such a fat are being eliminated and now the Ian Fleming books are having "offensive parts removed." If someone is so offended by a book, a movie, a TV show etc., they should just avoid it. I don't want someone else to decide what I am allowed to read, watch or listen to. Maybe whoever is going after all this "offensive " material should start deleting all the offensive stuff in the Christian Bible. This world is becoming very fascist, it scares me. Couldn't agree more. The snowflakes who get so easily offended should just stay away from these so-called offensive books, movies and TV shows instead of ruining it for everybody else. Welcome to 1984; the Thought Police have arrived.
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Post by amyghost on Mar 1, 2023 2:48:15 GMT
Even truer than one might think at first glance. Recollect that the society Winston Smith existed in took as one of its 'ideals' the notion that eventually outside censorship would no longer be necessary; everyone would carry around an internal censor in their own mind, which operated fulltime--thus rendering thoughtcrime literally impossible. I honestly believe that garbage such as these sorts of re-editing and re-writing of so-called 'offensive' works is something of an early foray into inculcating that type of self-censoring mentality into the population.
People should be very, very worried about this. But I think the indoctrination has already been successful enough that many aren't, and many don't even begin to apprehend why they should be.
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Post by Feologild Oakes on Mar 2, 2023 10:29:36 GMT
I am against book bans, and i am against re-editing books.
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Post by Zos on Mar 3, 2023 9:43:16 GMT
Only happens in authoritarian countries, a sure sign your society is disintegrating.
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Post by spiderwort on Mar 4, 2023 5:20:13 GMT
Generally speaking, I'm not an Ayn Rand fan, but her novella, "Anthem," is a powerful testament to the danger of banning books. [Not the graphic novel version; the written word version.] Everyone should read it.
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Post by wickedkittiesmom on Mar 4, 2023 11:01:21 GMT
Generally speaking, I'm not an Ayn Rand fan, but her novella, "Anthem," is a powerful testament to the danger of banning books. [Not the graphic novel version; the written word version.] Everyone should read it. I read all of Ayn Rand's books in the 70's, I lent them to a co-worker and never got them back and of course it was another case of someone "not remembering borrowing the books", as I got older and wiser, I stopped "lending" anything because I realized that people who always wanted to borrow were nothing but thieves.
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Post by Carl LaFong on Mar 4, 2023 11:20:31 GMT
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Post by PreachCaleb on Mar 7, 2023 14:38:27 GMT
I don't believe in book bans, I also shudder at the "re-editing" of books, i.e. The Dahl books where words such a fat are being eliminated and now the Ian Fleming books are having "offensive parts removed." If someone is so offended by a book, a movie, a TV show etc., they should just avoid it. I don't want someone else to decide what I am allowed to read, watch or listen to. Maybe whoever is going after all this "offensive " material should start deleting all the offensive stuff in the Christian Bible. This world is becoming very fascist, it scares me. I'm not too worried about it. It's like when they censor movies to air on television. Some people just can't handle the original cut. But that's fine. As long as the original still exists and is widely and readily available, it'll be ok.
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Post by novastar6 on May 26, 2023 19:14:44 GMT
What exactly qualifies as a 'book ban'? The last couple years people got all up in arms about a lot of porn books being taken out of school libraries, but do these same school libraries offer students Stephen King's Rage, Mein Kempf, or the Anarchist Cookbook? If not, is it because they're banning them?
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Post by PreachCaleb on May 29, 2023 13:26:05 GMT
What exactly qualifies as a 'book ban'? The last couple years people got all up in arms about a lot of porn books being taken out of school libraries, but do these same school libraries offer students Stephen King's Rage, Mein Kempf, or the Anarchist Cookbook? If not, is it because they're banning them? Which porn books were banned?
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Post by mmexis on Jun 5, 2023 1:59:53 GMT
I don't believe in book bans, I also shudder at the "re-editing" of books, i.e. The Dahl books where words such a fat are being eliminated and now the Ian Fleming books are having "offensive parts removed." If someone is so offended by a book, a movie, a TV show etc., they should just avoid it. I don't want someone else to decide what I am allowed to read, watch or listen to. Maybe whoever is going after all this "offensive " material should start deleting all the offensive stuff in the Christian Bible. This world is becoming very fascist, it scares me. I agree with you. I find the whole idea of "removing' books troubling and it has increased in the last few years. all this talk of "taking back" people to the 50s fantasyland is disturbing. There are so many books and so little time. you don't like one, find another.
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Post by mmexis on Jun 5, 2023 2:03:05 GMT
What exactly qualifies as a 'book ban'? The last couple years people got all up in arms about a lot of porn books being taken out of school libraries, but do these same school libraries offer students Stephen King's Rage, Mein Kempf, or the Anarchist Cookbook? If not, is it because they're banning them? Which porn books were banned? I was the librarian in a school library. Don't remember any 'porn books'. And I would know. Surely you don't mean the ones that show kids what growing up looks like and how their bodies change? Or those ones showing the various stages of pregnancy? If people think that's "porn" that's disturbing. Surely not "free to be you and me"? Or "what colour is your parachute"?
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Post by novastar6 on Jun 5, 2023 6:06:33 GMT
Which porn books were banned? I was the librarian in a school library. Don't remember any 'porn books'. And I would know. Surely you don't mean the ones that show kids what growing up looks like and how their bodies change? Or those ones showing the various stages of pregnancy? If people think that's "porn" that's disturbing. Surely not "free to be you and me"? Or "what colour is your parachute"?
I think they mean more like the ones that depict 2 10 year old boys having oral sex with one another in the back of a church. Or picture books that actually show kids how to give oral sex.
The teachers say these are perfectly acceptable books for the students to read, but they don't want parents reading the exact same material in a crowded room because suddenly it's inappropriate for kids.
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Post by novastar6 on Jul 7, 2023 18:14:42 GMT
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I'm just curious, has anybody here read the above referenced books?
Seems ironic the schools say they're perfectly acceptable for kids to read, but don't want the parents reading them out loud because it's offensive material.
How about this play? Anybody here read this in middle school, junior high?
Or do the 'I'm an adult and reading children's books is beneath me' crowd consider these to be children's books?
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Post by novastar6 on Jul 9, 2023 22:44:35 GMT
Has anybody here ever read this book? Did they read it in school?
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Post by mmexis on Jul 10, 2023 5:58:34 GMT
I was the librarian in a school library. Don't remember any 'porn books'. And I would know. Surely you don't mean the ones that show kids what growing up looks like and how their bodies change? Or those ones showing the various stages of pregnancy? If people think that's "porn" that's disturbing. Surely not "free to be you and me"? Or "what colour is your parachute"?
I think they mean more like the ones that depict 2 10 year old boys having oral sex with one another in the back of a church. Or picture books that actually show kids how to give oral sex.
The teachers say these are perfectly acceptable books for the students to read, but they don't want parents reading the exact same material in a crowded room because suddenly it's inappropriate for kids.
The poor handmaid's tale has been banned since it was published. Because women aren't held down and raped at any time. In any case, this is a book for high school not elementary. If they are talking images, it must be the graphic novel version. The same with Rupi Kaur - for high school, not elementary. Have you ever seen the banned books list? Catcher in the rye, 1984, Brave New World, the giving tree, anything by Judy Blume...the list goes on and on. I wonder if these parents also monitor their child's internet use. What is more disturbing is that looking at the human body, providing answers to "questioning" teens/youth is abnormal but guns should be freely allowed to any and all who want them with no restrictions. so, violence is ok, as long as there are no boobs or other body parts. the parent talking about bullying, plummeting test scores - all smokescreen and all can be tied back to guns and acceptable levels of violence. Spare me. you don't like it, take it back. The same is true of television.
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Post by novastar6 on Jul 10, 2023 6:19:25 GMT
I think they mean more like the ones that depict 2 10 year old boys having oral sex with one another in the back of a church. Or picture books that actually show kids how to give oral sex.
The teachers say these are perfectly acceptable books for the students to read, but they don't want parents reading the exact same material in a crowded room because suddenly it's inappropriate for kids.
The poor handmaid's tale has been banned since it was published. Because women aren't held down and raped at any time. In any case, this is a book for high school not elementary. If they are talking images, it must be the graphic novel version. The same with Rupi Kaur - for high school, not elementary. Have you ever seen the banned books list? Catcher in the rye, 1984, Brave New World, the giving tree, anything by Judy Blume...the list goes on and on. I wonder if these parents also monitor their child's internet use. What is more disturbing is that looking at the human body, providing answers to "questioning" teens/youth is abnormal but guns should be freely allowed to any and all who want them with no restrictions. so, violence is ok, as long as there are no boobs or other body parts. the parent talking about bullying, plummeting test scores - all smokescreen and all can be tied back to guns and acceptable levels of violence. Spare me. you don't like it, take it back. The same is true of television.
I fail to see what one has to do with the other but I've never seen a video of parents reading excerpts from Catcher in the Rye, Brave New World, etc., where they're shut down by the school board because it's offensive to either the kids in the room, that there would be any actual kids and not teenagers there, or the ADULTS in the room. And certainly no school tries to hide the fact that those books are either taught or on the library shelves, those are classics. I'll guarantee you these parents ALL grew up reading the examples you gave, but are any of the books read in these videos 'classic' contemporary fiction? Furthermore, why for one video showing a children's picture book about the body and sex, will YouTube deny access to anyone who doesn't sign in to confirm their age that they are over 13 years old?
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Post by mmexis on Jul 10, 2023 6:35:45 GMT
^ I'm just curious, has anybody here read the above referenced books? Seems ironic the schools say they're perfectly acceptable for kids to read, but don't want the parents reading them out loud because it's offensive material. How about this play? Anybody here read this in middle school, junior high? Or do the 'I'm an adult and reading children's books is beneath me' crowd consider these to be children's books? I have read Milk and Honey. I have read the handmaid's tale and the testaments. The book Push became the movie Precious. Bet the kids have seen that. Me and Earl and the Dying girl - also a movie. Bet the kids have seen that. This is all hypocritical to keep children innocent when they have ready access to guns. These parents don't want them to read about anything 'real' and push for book bans for books that talk about drugs (cuz kids don't take those), grief (cuz with school shootings and other violence in the school kids never face that), poverty (nothing to see here, move along), abuse (again, nothing to see here) or any other "real" or painful subject. No, I didn't read some of the newer books when I was in high school because they weren't published. But Judy Blume started publishing and some people wanted everything 'banned'. talking about puberty? nope. dating? nope. doing things behind your parents' backs? nope. Because nobody has done any of these things - ever. The whole argument is just tiresome - and boring, truth be told.
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