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Post by leviathan on Feb 28, 2023 0:26:53 GMT
..To The MCU's Decline In Quality
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Post by Skaathar on Feb 28, 2023 0:54:33 GMT
Nah, the decline of MCU's phase 4 is too big to be blamed on a single director. This is a lot more on the shoulders of Feige and the execs over at Disney/MCU.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Feb 28, 2023 9:55:15 GMT
I'd argue it's more the creation of Disney+
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Post by paulslaugh on Feb 28, 2023 10:18:03 GMT
I think it's the volume of product and the ambition to live up to something that was probably a fluke, plus a lot of the key folks who were on the original production teams have moved on, so there are mostly all new and younger people onboard than 15 years ago.
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Post by paulslaugh on Feb 28, 2023 10:27:58 GMT
I'd argue it's more the creation of Disney+ Yep. And one thing Right Wingers don't realize is the leftists in academia they claim are forcing all the Woke and writing scripts to insult white straight males, do not like Disney at all. It represents everything bad with American capitalism. Disney has played a huge role in the infantilization of the American adult. The reason the Right can't think clearly is because they think life should be like it is in the movies...the way they used to be made. Without Disney, the whole world would be better off. |
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Post by politicidal on Feb 28, 2023 14:09:23 GMT
No, it sounds more like they're overreaching with the Disney+ shows and I think the pandemic (and Chadwick Boseman's death) left them scrambling.
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Post by kuatorises on Feb 28, 2023 15:40:32 GMT
I'd argue it's more the creation of Disney+
Disney has played a huge role in the infantilization of the American adult. The reason the Right can't think clearly is because they think life should be like it is in the movies...the way they used to be made. Without Disney, the whole world would be better off. You need therapy. |
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Post by kuatorises on Feb 28, 2023 17:03:21 GMT
1. Gunn has nothing to do with the MCU outside of his movies.
2. This was always going to happen. Every movie was never going to be good.
3. It's being a little exaggerated just "how bad" it is right now vs. past Phases. For starters, the TV shows are outright being ignored in this conversation. It's like WandaVision and Loki don't even exist.
Additionally, Thor 2 was never loved, Iron Man 2 or 3 are not beloved, though I personally liked 3. Spiderman 3, which I thought was "ok", is hailed as great. Hell, I can't stand The First Avenger. I didn't have a problem with Black Widow until the end. It's been a mixed bag for a while.
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Post by blockbusted on Feb 28, 2023 17:45:27 GMT
No, it sounds more like they're overreaching with the Disney+ shows and I think the pandemic (and Chadwick Boseman's death) left them scrambling. In fact, I wouldn’t be surprised if Chadwick Boseman’s tragic passing ruined ‘Multiverse Saga’ a lot more than they want to admit. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2023 18:14:30 GMT
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Post by thisguy4000 on Feb 28, 2023 20:10:04 GMT
Not unless Gunn was supervising the MCU before his firing. With that said, it did seem to have some kind of negative effect on Marvel’s plans. Gunn was supposed to play a major part in the cosmic side of the MCU.
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Post by Prime etc. on Feb 28, 2023 21:03:41 GMT
The MCU was hyped up by careful media trumpeting.
When Disney came into it, they bombarded the airwaves with sensational ballyhoo and inflammatory gimmickry.
That couldn't last forever.
And they amped up the diversity and wokeness which only made their target audience more confusing.
Who is it aimed at?
Not the hetero white male--they already admitted that is not their target audience.
And Gunn certainly does not represent families.
Who is their audience?
Urban die-hard democrat voters?
Is that enough for box office success?
It used to be standard adage that you need to cater to an audience and not try to spread yourself too thin.
Well, they have not just spread themselves too thin
they are cutting away the traditional audience so that's a major risk.
Any company that was dependent on profits would be committing suicide with such a strategy.
But it was said years ago that big corporations have so much money that movie studios are a tiny part of their budget.
It's like printing a leaflet.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Feb 28, 2023 21:25:01 GMT
The MCU was hyped up by careful media trumpeting. When Disney came into it, they bombarded the airwaves with sensational ballyhoo and inflammatory gimmickry. That couldn't last forever. And they amped up the diversity and wokeness which only made their target audience more confusing. Who is it aimed at? Not the hetero white male--they already admitted that is not their target audience. And Gunn certainly does not represent families. Who is their audience? Urban die-hard democrat voters? Is that enough for box office success? It used to be standard adage that you need to cater to an audience and not try to spread yourself too thin. Well, they have not just spread themselves too thin they are cutting away the traditional audience so that's a major risk. Any company that was dependent on profits would be committing suicide with such a strategy. But it was said years ago that big corporations have so much money that movie studios are a tiny part of their budget. It's like printing a leaflet. They’re supposed to be aimed at a wide audience. |
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Post by Prime etc. on Feb 28, 2023 21:39:30 GMT
They’re supposed to be aimed at a wide audience.
A Pixar executive was asked in 2010 why movies seemed to be losing appeal and he said the Hollywood mentality is to make a movie like a cookie that doesn't taste good to anyone in particular but has something for everyone--but that was before they cranked up the politics.
They are adding LGBT stuff and the rest of it.
Wakanda Forever was not intended to be a big hit in East Palestine
Why would they care when digital film projection makes theater costs really cheap. Basically streaming in a public building.
Thus they don't care much since it is like a leaflet--and most people are stuck with the few entertainment options they have. There's no way for Disney to go out of business.
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Post by paulslaugh on Mar 1, 2023 11:24:38 GMT
Yep. And one thing Right Wingers don't realize is the leftists in academia they claim are forcing all the Woke and writing scripts to insult white straight males, do not like Disney at all. It represents everything bad with American capitalism.
Disney has played a huge role in the infantilization of the American adult. The reason the Right can't think clearly is because they think life should be like it is in the movies...the way they used to be made. Without Disney, the whole world would be better off. You need therapy. I am fine. You simply need an education. |
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Post by paulslaugh on Mar 1, 2023 11:26:57 GMT
No, it sounds more like they're overreaching with the Disney+ shows and I think the pandemic (and Chadwick Boseman's death) left them scrambling. In fact, I wouldn’t be surprised if Chadwick Boseman’s tragic passing ruined ‘Multiverse Saga’ a lot more than they want to admit. They will rewrite and re-film for the movies and TV right up to premiering based test marketing and the film currently out. |
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Post by thorshairspray on Mar 3, 2023 7:58:01 GMT
They are making too much stuff and there seems to be little oversight and communication between the projects, which is fragmenting the narrative. There appears to be no story arc anymore. Phase 4 was a mess with no direction.
Feige appears to have lost the people that restrained him, so the MCU has turned into a soapbox for Current Thing
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Post by formersamhmd on Mar 3, 2023 14:32:40 GMT
They are making too much stuff and there seems to be little oversight and communication between the projects, which is fragmenting the narrative. There appears to be no story arc anymore. Phase 4 was a mess with no direction. Feige appears to have lost the people that restrained him, so the MCU has turned into a soapbox for Current Thing Phase 4 was better than most of Phases 1 and 2 |
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Post by thorshairspray on Mar 3, 2023 15:25:48 GMT
They are making too much stuff and there seems to be little oversight and communication between the projects, which is fragmenting the narrative. There appears to be no story arc anymore. Phase 4 was a mess with no direction. Feige appears to have lost the people that restrained him, so the MCU has turned into a soapbox for Current Thing Phase 4 was better than most of Phases 1 and 2 Erm, no. Not at all. Phase Four has been shit. |
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Post by formersamhmd on Mar 4, 2023 1:01:53 GMT
Phase 4 was better than most of Phases 1 and 2 Erm, no. Not at all. Phase Four has been shit. Nah, the "fans" were loving Phase 4 until Love and Thunder came out. Then they pulled a 180 and started saying "Oh, I didn't mean it when I said I liked anything before. Now I hate everything in Phase 4 except Spider-Man because that movie was gutless fanservice that brought the older Spideys back instead of actually being about MCU Spidey". |
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