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Post by ShadowSouL: Padawan of Yoda on Mar 13, 2023 5:31:43 GMT
Jesus?
Paul?
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Constantine?
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Post by drystyx on Mar 13, 2023 7:32:40 GMT
The Holy Ghost.
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Post by paulslaugh on Mar 13, 2023 8:16:25 GMT
Survival now? Or in the beginning?
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Post by The Lost One on Mar 13, 2023 11:48:15 GMT
They all played their part: - Jesus started the thing (assuming Paul based his work on second-hand account of Jesus' teachings and didn't just make it all up himself) - Paul added meat to the bones and encouraged its spread around gentiles in the Roman Empire - Constantine put an end to the intermittent persecutions and made Christianity fashionable amongst the Roman elite
I would say Constantine was the least important since Christianity had survived up to that point without his help.
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Post by paulslaugh on Mar 14, 2023 3:27:40 GMT
Of the three, Paul. He established the gentile congregations. Jesus' brother James's Jerusalem church pretty died out.
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Post by Winter_King on Mar 14, 2023 14:24:23 GMT
Brian that is called Brian
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Post by amyghost on Mar 14, 2023 14:28:03 GMT
Whoever it was, they have a lot to answer for.
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Post by clusium on Mar 14, 2023 14:32:28 GMT
Whoever it was, they have a lot to answer for. Yeah, like the creation of hospitals, etc.... .
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Post by amyghost on Mar 14, 2023 14:37:59 GMT
Whoever it was, they have a lot to answer for. Yeah, like the creation of hospitals, etc.... . As well as crusades, religious wars, 'witch' persecutions, interference with secular education, Jew-baiting, intolerance of homosexuals, and suchlike other sundry acts...not to mention the Christian cults that deny the efficacy of those hospitals and who will smile on members denying medical treatment to their minor children, often until it's too late to save them...
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Post by Isapop on Mar 14, 2023 14:49:53 GMT
Yeah, like the creation of hospitals, etc.... . As well as crusades, religious wars Keeps that hospital personnel employed.
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Post by clusium on Mar 14, 2023 15:04:42 GMT
Yeah, like the creation of hospitals, etc.... . As well as crusades, religious wars, 'witch' persecutions, interference with secular education, Jew-baiting, intolerance of homosexuals, and suchlike other sundry acts...not to mention the Christian cults that deny the efficacy of those hospitals and who will smile on members denying medical treatment to their minor children, often until it's too late to save them... Yes, a lot of bad have been done in the name of Christianity or by professing Christians themselves. Pope St. John Paul II the Great even acknowledged this himself, back in 2000. But, Christianity has also always emphasized charity & charitable acts too. As for the Crusades: It started with Muslims in the Middle East chasing out Christians from Jerusalem & elsewhere in the Holy Land. Pope Urban commanded Christians in Europe to help their brothers & sisters in Christ in the Middle East. And those so-called "christian" cults are just that: CULTS. They do not represent mainstream Christianity. All religions have their fringe cults that do crazy stuff, that do not in fact, follow what the religion actually teaches or represent.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Mar 14, 2023 15:20:22 GMT
Yeah, like the creation of hospitals, etc.... . As well as crusades, religious wars, 'witch' persecutions, interference with secular education, Jew-baiting, intolerance of homosexuals, and suchlike other sundry acts...not to mention the Christian cults that deny the efficacy of those hospitals and who will smile on members denying medical treatment to their minor children, often until it's too late to save them... If no one had fought the Crusades, Arabic would be the official language of the world now, and Islam would be its official religion.
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Post by amyghost on Mar 14, 2023 15:28:58 GMT
As well as crusades, religious wars, 'witch' persecutions, interference with secular education, Jew-baiting, intolerance of homosexuals, and suchlike other sundry acts...not to mention the Christian cults that deny the efficacy of those hospitals and who will smile on members denying medical treatment to their minor children, often until it's too late to save them... Yes, a lot of bad have been done in the name of Christianity or by professing Christians themselves. Pope St. John Paul II the Great even acknowledged this himself, back in 2000. But, Christianity has also always emphasized charity & charitable acts too. As for the Crusades: It started with Muslims in the Middle East chasing out Christians from Jerusalem & elsewhere in the Holy Land. Pope Urban commanded Christians in Europe to help their brothers & sisters in Christ in the Middle East. And those so-called "christian" cults are just that: CULTS. They do not represent mainstream Christianity. All religions have their fringe cults that do crazy stuff, that do not in fact, follow what the religion actually teaches or represent. Christianity itself began life as a cult. It has been highly sectarian almost from its beginnings, so to claim '...doesn't represent 'true' Christianity' is to fall into the No True Scotsman solipsism. Each sect will claim that it and it alone is the only embodiment of the values of 'true' Christianity. The notion of mainstream Christianity, outside of the candyfloss Sunday-school preachments of certain basic ethical concepts such as the so-called Golden Rule (which is not itself original to Christianity, BTW--we have Confucius, some 500 years previously to thank for that), is largely non-existent. Has Christianity been behind some good? In the course of two millenia, the law of averages says, sure, the odds are that it would be. So have the other major world religions (which Christianity is often loath to admit to). So have many secular movements, non-God affiliated (which Christianity is often loath to admit to). But using those same averages, the thinking individual would be apt to concede that Christianity--in it's 'true' form, or another--has been responsible for a great deal of death, war, persecution, and just general endemic misery in this world. All of it? Of course not. A great deal of it (and much of it utterly unnecessary, were it following verbatim the teachings of its oftimes titular figure)? Without question. So I stand behind my contentions.
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Post by djorno on Mar 14, 2023 15:32:04 GMT
Whoever it was, they have a lot to answer for. Do you think the world would be better now if it died out?
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Post by Geddy on Mar 14, 2023 15:34:07 GMT
The people who go to churches: the congregants.
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Post by amyghost on Mar 14, 2023 15:36:47 GMT
As well as crusades, religious wars Keeps that hospital personnel employed. And let's not forget that the Papacy (fundamental aspect of the rock upon which 'true' Christianity is founded) has blessed and given aid and assistance to many of those wars, crusades, and persecutions.
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Post by amyghost on Mar 14, 2023 15:37:37 GMT
Whoever it was, they have a lot to answer for. Do you think the world would be better now if it died out? I'm quite sure you don't.
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Post by djorno on Mar 14, 2023 15:39:07 GMT
Do you think the world would be better now if it died out? I'm quite sure you don't. I asked you a question.
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Post by Isapop on Mar 14, 2023 16:22:09 GMT
Whoever it was, they have a lot to answer for. Do you think the world would be better now if it died out? Only if it died out along with every other religion. If it died out alone, the gap would simply have been filled by another religion, and so, the world would be no better off.
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Post by djorno on Mar 14, 2023 17:32:30 GMT
Do you think the world would be better now if it died out? Only if it died out along with every other religion. If it died out alone, the gap would simply have been filled by another religion, and so, the world would be no better off. But the overwhelming majority of research and studies show that Christianity is positively associated with numerous benefits that contribute to a healthy society at large.
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