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Post by ShadowSouL: Padawan of Yoda on Mar 16, 2023 2:14:29 GMT
My personal feeling and perspective is that Jesus could have meant that He is coming for each of His flock individually when it is their time.
Any other thoughts?
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Mar 16, 2023 4:58:54 GMT
I believe Jesus will literally return to earth as described. A lot of Christians are waiting for it as if they expect it to happen any day. I think it could be many years in the future, and I'll be dead before then, so I don't think about it much.
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Post by stryker on Mar 16, 2023 5:29:25 GMT
It was a long time ago, but I seem to remember my Second Cumming was even more fun than my first cumming! It was a glorious jizz-fest.
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Post by paulslaugh on Mar 16, 2023 13:02:41 GMT
It’s possible he never said he would survive his death. We only know what others wrote about him.
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Post by ShadowSouL: Padawan of Yoda on Mar 17, 2023 2:27:09 GMT
It was a long time ago, but I seem to remember my Second Cumming was even more fun than my first cumming! It was a glorious jizz-fest.
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Post by rizdek on Mar 21, 2023 11:09:45 GMT
I think he'll be comin' around the mountain when he comes, wahoo.
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Post by paulslaugh on Mar 21, 2023 12:47:03 GMT
I believe Jesus will literally return to earth as described. A lot of Christians are waiting for it as if they expect it to happen any day. I think it could be many years in the future, and I'll be dead before then, so I don't think about it much.
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Post by paulslaugh on Mar 21, 2023 12:49:04 GMT
It was a long time ago, but I seem to remember my Second Cumming was even more fun than my first cumming! It was a glorious jizz-fest. So you want a third Cumming?
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Post by Feologild Oakes on Mar 21, 2023 13:26:52 GMT
Yogananda and Jesus ~ The Second Coming of Christ HOME
This YOGANANDA SITE section is dedicated to the teachings of Paramahansa Yogananda about Jesus Christ. Quotations are taken not only from Yogananda’s great scripture, The Second Coming of Christ, but also from his many other works. Our companion Facebook page may be found here: Yogananda and Jesus – The Second Coming of Christ ABOUT
PARAMAHANSA YOGANANDA: In titling this work The Second Coming of Christ, I am not referring to a literal return of Jesus to earth….What is necessary is for the cosmic wisdom and divine perception of Jesus to speak again through each one’s own experience and understanding of the infinite Christ Consciousness that was incarnate in Jesus. That will be his true Second Coming. There is a distinguishing difference of meaning between Jesus and Christ. His given name was Jesus; his honorific title was “Christ.” In his little human body called Jesus was born the vast Christ Consciousness, the omniscient Intelligence of God omnipresent in every part and particle of creation. This Consciousness is the “only begotten Son of God,” so designated because it is the sole perfect reflection in creation of the Transcendental Absolute, Spirit or God the Father. It was of that Infinite Consciousness, replete with the love and bliss of God, that Saint John spoke when he said: “As many as received him [the Christ Consciousness], to them gave he power to become the sons of God.” Thus according to Jesus’ own teaching as recorded by his most highly advanced apostle, John, all souls who become united with Christ Consciousness by intuitive Self-realization are rightly called sons of God. A small cup cannot hold an ocean within itself. Likewise, the cup of human consciousness, limited by the physical and mental instrumentalities of material perceptions, cannot grasp the universal Christ Consciousness, no matter how desirous one may be of doing so. By the definite science of meditation known for millenniums to the yogis and sages of India, and to Jesus, any seeker of God can enlarge the caliber of his consciousness to omniscience—to receive within himself the Universal Intelligence of God. Paramahansa Yogananda, from the ‘Introduction,’ The Second Coming of Christ yoganandasite.wordpress.com/2017/04/23/yogananda-and-jesus-the-second-coming-of-christ/
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Post by amyghost on Mar 21, 2023 13:59:44 GMT
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Post by rizdek on Mar 21, 2023 14:51:42 GMT
Unless you're a Preterists: "one who holds that the prophecies in the Bible about the End Times have already been fulfilled " Don't ask me to explain it...but there's a school of thought that believes that.
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Post by The Lost One on Mar 21, 2023 15:18:31 GMT
It is a bit of a bugger for the Christian that one. They have to choose between denying Jesus said it (which raises questions about the reliability of anything in the Gospels), say Jesus was mistaken or lying (hard to justify if Jesus is meant to be a perfectly good God), or go with 'well what Jesus actually meant was...' which always sounds kinda weak.
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Post by mikef6 on Mar 21, 2023 15:53:31 GMT
Without a doubt , the first generation of Christians believed that Jeee-zus was going to return from heaven and end all time within their lifetime. Paul (whose letters were written earlier than the gospels) had to deal with the question of why some Christians were dying but Jesus had not returned. What would happen to those peoples’ souls? (I Corinthians 15). It wasn’t long before Christianity just stopped talking about the Second Coming. It was just too hard to explain. Discussions about exactly what this will be and when are now confined to the most fundamental and/or Pentecostal sects. The “mainstream” churches never mention it. All you Methodists, Presbyterians, Episcopalians, Catholics, etc., when was the last time you heard this preached on a Sunday morning? If you have, cherish it. It is a very rare occurrence (p.s. there are fundamentalist congregations in every Christian denomination).
One more post script (kids, look up “post script”): If you ask a mainstream pastor about the SC, you will probably find out that most Christians in the world do not believe in the Rapture. The idea of a literal taking up of all believers into heaven, followed by a Great Tribulation, followed by the Second Coming (the "Left Behind" novels) has only been around since about 1850 when it arose in a Church of the Brethren congregation in London. Even if you read Revelation literally, this scheme is nonsense.
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Post by drystyx on Mar 21, 2023 18:06:07 GMT
That's how I read it the very first time I read it. It wasn't until someone explained much later that it meant the popular idea of an actual return for the whole world at once. Since there was so much written about suffering and being persecuted and dying, I naturally assumed the intent was that he just stood there for us once we left this existence, and that was his "salvation".
It was quite depressing at the time, to think I'd be suffering a lifetime in a world with ten times more hate and pain and persecution than love and pleasure and victory, and that's if you were lucky enough to be blessed to only lose 9 times in 10.
So, there is a small market for "feel good" stories, which are rare in Hollywood movies, and usually censored by book publishers and Hollywood producers, but still have an "underground" appreciation society. This small market isn't quite stamped out yet.
But this "feel good" story about Jesus returning to the entire world at once is one that I really didn't read in the scripture. Instead, it reads more like what you claim.
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Post by amyghost on Mar 21, 2023 18:09:16 GMT
Unless you're a Preterists: "one who holds that the prophecies in the Bible about the End Times have already been fulfilled " Don't ask me to explain it...but there's a school of thought that believes that. I don't at all doubt it. If there's one thing Christians have a headlock on, it's backpedaling .
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Post by amyghost on Mar 21, 2023 18:12:06 GMT
It is a bit of a bugger for the Christian that one. They have to choose between denying Jesus said it (which raises questions about the reliability of anything in the Gospels), say Jesus was mistaken or lying (hard to justify if Jesus is meant to be a perfectly good God), or go with 'well what Jesus actually meant was...' which always sounds kinda weak. Yeah, that one kind of falls in line with C.S. Lewis' famous 'Lord, liar or lunatic' trilemma, which he thought was an indisputable knockout argument proving JC was really divine; unfortunately, like many of Lewis' arguments, he was preaching to the choir with it, and anyone not a choir member can pretty easily dismantle it.
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Post by The Lost One on Mar 21, 2023 19:29:49 GMT
unfortunately, like many of Lewis' arguments, he was preaching to the choir with it, and anyone not a choir member can pretty easily dismantle it. Lewis sadly was a much better writer than a logician. Even amongst Christian apologists, I wouldn't really rate him. Still, I enjoy reading his arguments at least.
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Post by amyghost on Mar 21, 2023 19:31:54 GMT
unfortunately, like many of Lewis' arguments, he was preaching to the choir with it, and anyone not a choir member can pretty easily dismantle it. Lewis sadly was a much better writer than a logician. Even amongst Christian apologists, I wouldn't really rate him. Still, I enjoy reading his arguments at least. I think he's over-rated as a writer, and far more so as an apologist; but he has his moments, and when he can stay away from the fairly naive proselytizing he can be enjoyable.
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Post by clusium on Mar 21, 2023 19:35:27 GMT
It is a bit of a bugger for the Christian that one. They have to choose between denying Jesus said it (which raises questions about the reliability of anything in the Gospels), say Jesus was mistaken or lying (hard to justify if Jesus is meant to be a perfectly good God), or go with 'well what Jesus actually meant was...' which always sounds kinda weak. Yeah, that one kind of falls in line with C.S. Lewis' famous 'Lord, liar or lunatic' trilemma, which he thought was an indisputable knockout argument proving JC was really divine; unfortunately, like many of Lewis' arguments, he was preaching to the choir with it, and anyone not a choir member can pretty easily dismantle it. When it comes to one's own religious beliefs, I think a lot of people pretty much preach to the choir. I've seen or read arguments from people from other religions too, that those who do not share a faith, can dismantle. All boils down to one's own personal religious views & convictions.
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Post by The Lost One on Mar 21, 2023 19:45:14 GMT
Lewis sadly was a much better writer than a logician. Even amongst Christian apologists, I wouldn't really rate him. Still, I enjoy reading his arguments at least. I think he's over-rated as a writer, and far more so as an apologist; but he has his moments, and when he can stay away from the fairly naive proselytizing he can be enjoyable. I think his best writing (at least that I've read) is in Out of the Silent Planet. It's a beautiful story, regardless of the underlying theology.
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