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Post by Sarge on Mar 21, 2023 20:46:55 GMT
The failure of the second coming and failure to fulfil the duties of a Messiah make sense if you accept Jesus was a false prophet. The disciples, like people today who try to rationalize Jan6 or mutilating children with gender reassignment, couldn't accept they had been duped so the legend grew bigger and belief stronger.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Mar 21, 2023 21:33:50 GMT
The failure of the second coming and failure to fulfil the duties of a Messiah make sense if you accept Jesus was a false prophet. The disciples, like people today who try to rationalize Jan6 or mutilating children with gender reassignment, couldn't accept they had been duped so the legend grew bigger and belief stronger. Then you subscribe to the narrative which says the Second Coming had to happen within sixty years later or not at all? |
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Post by Sarge on Mar 21, 2023 21:53:21 GMT
The failure of the second coming and failure to fulfil the duties of a Messiah make sense if you accept Jesus was a false prophet. The disciples, like people today who try to rationalize Jan6 or mutilating children with gender reassignment, couldn't accept they had been duped so the legend grew bigger and belief stronger. Then you subscribe to the narrative which says the Second Coming had to happen within sixty years later or not at all? No. |
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Post by rizdek on Mar 22, 2023 0:18:35 GMT
Unless you're a Preterists: "one who holds that the prophecies in the Bible about the End Times have already been fulfilled " Don't ask me to explain it...but there's a school of thought that believes that. I don't at all doubt it. If there's one thing Christians have a headlock on, it's backpedaling  .  |
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Post by drystyx on Mar 22, 2023 1:35:26 GMT
That's much more plausible than the "fundamentalism" belief that the good God is omnipotent in today's world and allows evil to occur. It's depressing, but plausible. To think that whatever we stem from is in a doomed world, because the worthy spirits already accepted salvation. Now, that would mean Jesus was also accepted IN SPIRIT by whomever accepted the Holy Ghost of a loving spirit, even in the modern day Americas, Madagascar, New Guinea, and anywhere else. That scenario would mean that the second coming did happen, and those who missed it would definitely not advertise it or record it for future generations. No way would they record it. That would be like a baseball player recording that he had a .000 BA in 500 at bats, a .000 fielding average in 300 chances, and an ERA of 999,999.00, and was free instead to record none of it, because all the other ball players would be in the same predicament. There's no way any of them would record it for their lifetime statistics. It's one of the rare conspiracy theories that would actually have logic behind it, but that wouldn't make it true. It would just make it a logical theory. In which case, whatever spirits didn't go with Jesus in those days had already accepted demonic influence over good influence. This is a tough pill to swallow, and I don't think it's possible we accepted evil with the full knowledge of good and evil. So, were we tiny germs, brainless rays that didn't have full knowledge yet of good and evil? And still succumbed to be entrapped like a ray of light in a chlorophyll cell or chloroplast? And if so, does that mean we're doomed to spend eternity away from the good God? Or does it mean we still can stop being in Satan's realm by accepting the Holy Ghost when we have the full knowledge of good and evil? That actually makes some sense. At least more sense than the fundamentalist view. , If indeed, that chance to choose the good Holy Ghost already passed us up, that would be as depressing as one can get. It would be an impossible religion to sell. However, "deniers" could easily sell the idea that there was still a chance even though there wasn't a chance, to people without hope. Interesting concept, because there's no way that Christianity could have been sold in the natural world, seeing as how it was a system where one already gave up all hope. |
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Post by paulslaugh on Mar 22, 2023 4:22:57 GMT
The failure of the second coming and failure to fulfil the duties of a Messiah make sense if you accept Jesus was a false prophet. The disciples, like people today who try to rationalize Jan6 or mutilating children with gender reassignment, couldn't accept they had been duped so the legend grew bigger and belief stronger. And yet myths can capture something fundamental about humanity we often lose in reality. And functionally speaking, we do now have the capability of bringing about the end of the world. |
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Post by paulslaugh on Mar 22, 2023 4:24:05 GMT
The failure of the second coming and failure to fulfil the duties of a Messiah make sense if you accept Jesus was a false prophet. The disciples, like people today who try to rationalize Jan6 or mutilating children with gender reassignment, couldn't accept they had been duped so the legend grew bigger and belief stronger. I’m not Christian nor religious, but if Jesus could be considered a false prophet, then that is only due to the sect of religion misinterpreting what Jesus was about. The only thing that makes for a false prophet is if the prophecy comes true or not. |
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Post by paulslaugh on Mar 22, 2023 5:09:13 GMT
The only thing that makes for a false prophet is if the prophecy comes true or not. The prophecies of Jesus, or that of the Christian religious institute surrounding what they think Jesus represented? I predicted in 2016 Trump would attempt to never leave office and my prophecy came true. |
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Post by paulslaugh on Mar 22, 2023 5:30:22 GMT
I predicted in 2016 Trump would attempt to never leave office and my prophecy came true.
He just loves to mess with the Libs heads.
Perhaps Trump is Jesus, as he may be getting a second coming.
That's what you think it is? And yeah, here's the real Christ back coming to judge the living and the dead, not that the fairy in the holy pictures. |
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Post by Sarge on Mar 22, 2023 6:12:53 GMT
The failure of the second coming and failure to fulfil the duties of a Messiah make sense if you accept Jesus was a false prophet. The disciples, like people today who try to rationalize Jan6 or mutilating children with gender reassignment, couldn't accept they had been duped so the legend grew bigger and belief stronger. And yet myths can capture something fundamental about humanity we often lose in reality. And functionally speaking, we do now have the capability of bringing about the end of the world. No more than any story. We don't take the Three Little Pigs as literal but still understand the lesson. |
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Post by Sarge on Mar 22, 2023 6:25:40 GMT
The failure of the second coming and failure to fulfil the duties of a Messiah make sense if you accept Jesus was a false prophet. The disciples, like people today who try to rationalize Jan6 or mutilating children with gender reassignment, couldn't accept they had been duped so the legend grew bigger and belief stronger. I’m not Christian nor religious, but if Jesus could be considered a false prophet, then that is only due to the sect of religion misinterpreting what Jesus was about. Is that the explanation for every false prophet? If not, why not? |
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Post by paulslaugh on Mar 22, 2023 6:26:42 GMT
And yet myths can capture something fundamental about humanity we often lose in reality. And functionally speaking, we do now have the capability of bringing about the end of the world. No more than any story. We don't take the Three Little Pigs as literal but still understand the lesson. It goes a little deeper than Three Little Pigs. |
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Post by paulslaugh on Mar 22, 2023 6:27:24 GMT
That's what you think it is? And yeah, here's the real Christ back coming to judge the living and the dead, not that the fairy in the holy pictures. Trump really triggers you, doesn't he? Why shouldn't he trigger me? What the fuck. The person who is not triggered by that man's thousands of lies, crimes, and treason has the problem, not us normal people. |
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Post by Sarge on Mar 22, 2023 6:45:53 GMT
No more than any story. We don't take the Three Little Pigs as literal but still understand the lesson. It goes a little deeper than Three Little Pigs. That was an example of a story with a lesson. The Bible is full of stories meant as metaphors. |
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Post by Sarge on Mar 22, 2023 7:10:21 GMT
I predicted in 2016 Trump would attempt to never leave office and my prophecy came true.
He just loves to mess with the Libs heads.
Perhaps Trump is Jesus, as he may be getting a second coming.
He's a false prophet, like Jesus. Wrong about everything and accomplished nothing himself. Look at Jesus, he amassed a whopping 12 disciples, and one of them was his brother. Jim Jones got 900 people to travel halfway around the world to drink poison and kill themselves. |
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Post by Sarge on Mar 22, 2023 7:17:29 GMT
Is that the explanation for every false prophet? If not, why not? It depends on what has been prophezied and where it is stemming from. We know Jesus has been glorified as Christ the Saviour and his second coming is long overdue. Not exactly, the question of who Jesus was and was believed to be in his lifetime is more complex than you might think. You probably learned a story at Sunday School that is an amalgamation of gospels and modern interpretations but the gospels don't agree about Jesus and many modern interpretations are based on church doctrine, not scripture. It sounds like you don't have a definition for false prophet, so you can't recognize one. |
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Post by paulslaugh on Mar 22, 2023 9:44:35 GMT
He's a false prophet, like Jesus. Wrong about everything and accomplished nothing himself. Look at Jesus, he amassed a whopping 12 disciples, and one of them was his brother. Jim Jones got 900 people to travel halfway around the world to drink poison and kill themselves. If Trump's one, so is Biden and Zel. How are either Biden or Trump prophets? Trump is a conman and Biden is a career politician. |
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Post by paulslaugh on Mar 22, 2023 9:47:08 GMT
Not exactly, the question of who Jesus was and was believed to be in his lifetime is more complex than you might think. You probably learned a story at Sunday School that is an amalgamation of gospels and modern interpretations but the gospels don't agree about Jesus and many modern interpretations are based on church doctrine, not scripture. It sounds like you don't have a definition for false prophet, so you can't recognize one. For whom is it complex? I am not intellectualizing who Jesus was, (who was he?), and scripture and church doctrine can be interchangeable. They are not mutually exclusive. What is seen as false, is something that didn't come to pass or the bullshit is so thick, it can be thrown and stuck to the walls. This is modern day politicians and elitist corporations. A Tree and Its Fruit Matt 7:15 “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves. 16 You will know them by their fruits. Are grapes gathered from thorns, or figs from thistles? 17 So, every sound tree bears good fruit, but the bad tree bears evil fruit. 18 A sound tree cannot bear evil fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Thus you will know them by their fruits. |
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Post by amyghost on Mar 22, 2023 10:48:13 GMT
Interesting thought. I could see Flannery O'Connor getting some novelistic mileage from that.
Ever read her? Marvelous writer with a tiny ouvre, but she's one of the few who take a form of theism as her topic that I can handle.
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Post by Sarge on Mar 22, 2023 17:57:02 GMT
He's a false prophet, like Jesus. Wrong about everything and accomplished nothing himself. Look at Jesus, he amassed a whopping 12 disciples, and one of them was his brother. Jim Jones got 900 people to travel halfway around the world to drink poison and kill themselves. If Trump's one, so is Biden and Zel. Not if, is. He has a cult following, way bigger than Jesus then or now*. Trump hasn't convinced anyone to drink poison, that I'm aware of, he did convince over 950 halfwits to break the law and attempt to overthrow an election on Jan6 and that number is still climbing. And despite being a colossal failure as a politician and president his cult seems more dedicated than ever. His most braindead cultists compare Trump to Jesus. *I say now because most modern protestants worship the Bible and Catholics just follow their traditions. |
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