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Post by bravomailer on Jun 23, 2017 14:28:15 GMT
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Post by theshape25 on Jun 23, 2017 21:29:13 GMT
I've bought around 5 or 6.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2017 23:27:24 GMT
This is a crime against the state!
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Post by bravomailer on Jun 24, 2017 13:18:12 GMT
A bond-rating service downgraded Gibson a while back. The company is in financial trouble and is cutting corners. Quality control has suffered. Les Pauls from 2016-17 are everywhere on eBay and Reverb at surprisingly attractive prices.
I've played two Les Pauls made in 2016. The frets on one were very poorly dressed, making it rough on the hand as it travels the neck. The second one had a volume pot go bad.
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Post by permutojoe on Jun 24, 2017 19:10:14 GMT
There can be no rock without the electric guitar. Rock is built around strings like jazz is built around horns. We're going through a musical period right now dominated by hip hop on one hand and electronic dance music on the other. Neither rely on guitar. The guitar is in a lull. However, rock will not die. I predict a new guitar-oriented genre of rock to become dominant within the next decade. Seems like a reasonable prediction. Once this organ-dominated indie rock bit falls out of favor I don't know where else there is to go but back to guitar. Don't forget about Royal Blood, The Black Keys, and whatever other few decent guitar bands there are that I'm missing. Would be nice if the White Stripes would "come back" with a strong album but I have no idea where Jack White stands currently. |
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Post by xystophoros on Jun 25, 2017 0:27:36 GMT
The guitar isn't going anywhere, it's just used in different ways and it's not always the front and center, default instrument now that genres like dance rock, electro swing and stuff like that is popular. It's still used in a lot of EDM and hip hop, just not in the traditional ways you'd expect. Likewise, bands like Friday Night Lights use guitars almost like orchestral instruments, or like synth pads.
One of my favorite bands right now is a funk/nu-disco/EDM group called Televisor. They use guitars for straight up funk riffs and for those muted clean riffs popular in 70s and early 80s funk, and for solos. They use a lot of FX on them and they sound awesome.
Also I think a lot of people are experimenting with signal processing in ways that weren't intended for guitars. For example, Guitar Rig by Native Instruments wasn't made for processing drums, but you can get some incredible drum sounds by filtering them through GR and tweaking the settings. Well it's the same thing with guitar -- you can filter guitars through VST plugins intended for keyboards and get some really unique, crazy sounds out of it. It inspires you to think of entirely new ways to use guitars.
As for sales, it would help if Gibson changed with the times. I do NOT like trying out a whole range of guitars only to find one I like, that feels good and has a nice sound, and realize it only comes in snot green, goth black and gold. I have been looking to buy a new Les Paul for months now and Gibson does not make it easy. They need to stop with the fake exclusivity and treat guitars like any other modern piece of gear -- make all colors widely available for as many models as possible.
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Post by petrolino on Jun 25, 2017 2:17:19 GMT
Alice Cooper says there's only about 4 rock bands left. Of course, he's a nostalgist speaking from the golf course. I think the marriage between traditional axe handling and synthetic technotronics will take us to the stratosphere and set us on course for the beyond ...
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Post by alpha128 on Jun 26, 2017 3:37:26 GMT
Alice Cooper says there's only about 4 rock bands left. Of course, he's a nostalgist speaking from the golf course. He's either kidding or not paying attention. There is more rock/metal available now than at any other time in history - just check out Youtube. I've got 17 bands listed in my 2015 rock/metal album releases thread, and 15 bands in my 2016 rock/metal album releases thread. And that's just a tiny fraction of what's out there. |
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Post by johnspartan on Jun 28, 2017 10:26:10 GMT
Alice Cooper says there's only about 4 rock bands left. Of course, he's a nostalgist speaking from the golf course. He's either kidding or not paying attention. There is more rock/metal available now than at any other time in history - just check out Youtube. I've got 17 bands listed in my 2015 rock/metal album releases thread, and 15 bands in my 2016 rock/metal album releases thread. And that's just a tiny fraction of what's out there. It's not in the mainstream anymore, though. I went through your 2015 list, and the bands were solid, but unoriginal imitators of Priest and Maiden. However, I was glad some of them had real sounding bass drums instead of that type writer sounding double kicking that became so prevalent in 2000s NuMetal. |
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Post by alpha128 on Jun 28, 2017 11:40:56 GMT
He's either kidding or not paying attention. There is more rock/metal available now than at any other time in history - just check out Youtube. I've got 17 bands listed in my 2015 rock/metal album releases thread, and 15 bands in my 2016 rock/metal album releases thread. And that's just a tiny fraction of what's out there. It's not in the mainstream anymore, though. I went through your 2015 list, and the bands were solid, but unoriginal imitators of Priest and Maiden. However, I was glad some of them had real sounding bass drums instead of that type writer sounding double kicking that became so prevalent in 2000s NuMetal. Originality is overrated IMO. I'm interested in bands that write catchy, memorable songs, and the bands in my lists do that. If those songs are reminiscent of Priest and Maiden at times I'm OK with that - I think that's what metal should sound like. |
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Post by johnspartan on Jun 28, 2017 13:14:13 GMT
It's not in the mainstream anymore, though. I went through your 2015 list, and the bands were solid, but unoriginal imitators of Priest and Maiden. However, I was glad some of them had real sounding bass drums instead of that type writer sounding double kicking that became so prevalent in 2000s NuMetal. Originality is overrated IMO. I'm interested in bands that write catchy, memorable songs, and the bands in my lists do that. If those songs are reminiscent of Priest and Maiden at times I'm OK with that - I think that's what metal should sound like. That's fine, then. I was also glad to hear singing from those bands you posted as opposed to the Cookie Monster style "singing." It is good there are new traditional sounding metal bands, I just don't have the patience to search them out. Lists like the ones you made are helpful. |
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Post by alpha128 on Jun 29, 2017 0:06:48 GMT
Originality is overrated IMO. I'm interested in bands that write catchy, memorable songs, and the bands in my lists do that. If those songs are reminiscent of Priest and Maiden at times I'm OK with that - I think that's what metal should sound like. That's fine, then. I was also glad to hear singing from those bands you posted as opposed to the Cookie Monster style "singing." It is good there are new traditional sounding metal bands, I just don't have the patience to search them out. Lists like the ones you made are helpful. I'm not a fan of Cookie Monster vocals either. I create and share my lists because I know the effort required to find great new traditional metal albums. I do the work so you don't have to! I will be adding a new album to my 2016 list in the next week or two. I will also start a 2017 list once I find a couple more worthy releases. |
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Post by marco26 on Jun 29, 2017 0:32:48 GMT
. I have been looking to buy a new Les Paul for months now and Gibson does not make it easy. They need to stop with the fake exclusivity and treat guitars like any other modern piece of gear -- make all colors widely available for as many models as possible. It's not just that. It's that Gibson now make something like 25 different Les Pauls. No kidding. And Gibson isn't the only one doing this. Try buying a Fender Stratocaster or Telecaster. You can't do it because there are, once again, twenty of those models. Gretsch, too. Their White Falcon was the Holy Grail of guitars. Mmmmm, the White Falcon. There was one model. Now there are about twelve different White Falcons. Worse, White Falcons now come in black, green, red, blue.... A White Falcon can now be bought in green. Absurd. |
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Post by marco26 on Jun 29, 2017 0:39:07 GMT
Me? I've bought about ten in the last decade. I'm doing my part. Same here, I'm doing my part. I bought FOURTEEN over the past decade! Done buying. I now have every guitar I ever dreamed of (including a Gretsch White Falcon). OK, I still dream of a Martin D-28, and a Gretsch Silver jet; but I really do have an amazing collection of outstanding guitars. All the guitars I grew up salivating over are now in my music room. And I still don't know how to play a lead on any of them!  |
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Post by bravomailer on Jun 29, 2017 1:08:05 GMT
It's not just that. It's that Gibson now make something like 25 different Les Pauls. No kidding. Let's see: Standard, Traditional, Traditional Pro, Classic, Custom, Custom Lite, Special, 50s Tribute, 60s Tribute, Les Paul Less (not making that one up!), Mary Ford Tribute (okay I did make that one up), The Paul, Special, Beano rides again,.... Nope, you weren't kidding:  |
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Post by xystophoros on Jun 29, 2017 1:40:35 GMT
It's not just that. It's that Gibson now make something like 25 different Les Pauls. No kidding. Let's see: Standard, Traditional, Traditional Pro, Classic, Custom, Custom Lite, Special, 50s Tribute, 60s Tribute, Les Paul Less (not making that one up!), The Paul, Beano rises again,.... Top, Plus Top, Studio, Standard T, Deluxe, plus all those "special editions" and "limited editions" designed around specific artists or genres. Anyone who buys a Blink 182 Les Paul should be mouth-punched. |
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