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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2017 18:55:34 GMT
It doesn't really bother me. I understand this series the same way I understand the James Bond series. Some films are directly connected to others. Some films are loosely connected to others. Some films are pretty much standalone entries. The continuity isn't all that important, as they aren't building to anything in particular. They're just trying to make good movies. The films that need to connect with each other DO connect with each other. The films that don't, don't.
I can think of X1-X3 as its own trilogy. I can think of the FC trilogy as a separate trilogy that only loosely connects to the original trilogy. I can think of Deadpool as its own thing. I can think of Logan as its own thing.
This is fine.
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Post by ThatGuy on Feb 25, 2017 2:50:13 GMT
The problem is that they say that the movies are connected and try to fix the continuity (DoFP). If they treat the series like single stories then you can say the continuity between them don't matter. The filmmakers have actually admitted to messing up. Saying that he didn't think people would pay that close attention. You know the same people that retains story info because they read comics. Also, it doesn't matter if they aren't trying to build up to something bigger. Continuity between movies still needs to be there.
Another thing. The James Bond movies do have continuity. They are more like comics in that they have a sliding timescale. Another thing that the Bond movies have is individual adventures. There's only sometimes when the same actor's Bond build up from movie to movie.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2017 3:40:26 GMT
The problem is that they say that the movies are connected and try to fix the continuity (DoFP). If they treat the series like single stories then you can say the continuity between them don't matter. The filmmakers have actually admitted to messing up. Saying that he didn't think people would pay that close attention. You know the same people that retains story info because they read comics. Also, it doesn't matter if they aren't trying to build up to something bigger. Continuity between movies still needs to be there. Another thing. The James Bond movies do have continuity. They are more like comics in that they have a sliding timescale. Another thing that the Bond movies have is individual adventures. There's only sometimes when the same actor's Bond build up from movie to movie. Bond has always played fast and loose with continuity, and it's more than just the sliding timescale. And I myself acknowledge that SOME of the X-Men movies ARE connected. But that doesn't mean that ALL of them need to be connected. I'm fine with treating the original trilogy and FC trilogy as two separate things that are only loosely related. It's alright that Deadpool is mostly unconnected with those. It's fine that Logan is only spiritually related to those as well. None of that bothers me. And that's because it's not building to anything. The stories WORK on their own. You don't NEED to see the original trilogy to understand the FC trilogy (and vice versa). You don't NEED to see any of the X-Men movies to understand Deadpool. Same with Logan. They're not interconnected pieces of a larger puzzle. They're just good stories (for the most part). |
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Post by brownstones on Feb 25, 2017 3:48:54 GMT
i don't care too much, but it the whole mystique ending in dofp upset me a tad.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2017 3:51:16 GMT
i don't care too much, but it the whole mystique ending in dofp upset me a tad. Why is that? It bothered me in light of Apocalypse (when Wolverine just ended up going through the same shit again anyway). Same for you? Or something else? |
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Post by ThatGuy on Feb 25, 2017 3:53:49 GMT
Deadpool is outside of the main X-men movies. X-men Origins and Logan go where they want. DoFP and The Wolverine works with the OT. First Class and Apocalypse work with each other except for a line from Mystique and where Erik is in life in Apocalypse.
No they aren't pieces of a larger puzzle. More like doodles on a single sheet of paper. They should have made the X-men movies more like an anthology series. Unconnected movies based on X-men. Not even using the same scene in First Class. Instead of being wishy washy about it being a connected series (until DoFP when they weren't).
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2017 3:56:23 GMT
Deadpool is outside of the main X-men movies. X-men Origins and Logan go where they want. DoFP and The Wolverine works with the OT. First Class and Apocalypse work with each other except for a line from Mystique and where Erik is in life in Apocalypse. No they aren't pieces of a larger puzzle. More like doodles on a single sheet of paper. They should have made the X-men movies more like an anthology series. Unconnected movies based on X-men. Not even using the same scene in First Class. Instead of being wishy washy about it being a connected series (until DoFP when they weren't). Like I said, it doesn't really bother me. I can piecemeal it out and not sweat it. But I can also understand the frustration of it not lining up perfectly. |
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Post by brownstones on Feb 25, 2017 4:27:17 GMT
i don't care too much, but it the whole mystique ending in dofp upset me a tad. Why is that? It bothered my in light of Apocalypse (when Wolverine just ended up going through the same shit again). Same for you? Or something else? basically that, because either mystique rescued logan and he got caught again....or she turned him in........I would have cut that scene out because it led to nowhere, the former for adding nothing and the latter for contradicting her character in the film. |
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Post by ThatGuy on Feb 25, 2017 4:34:53 GMT
It's not too much about it not lining up perfectly. It's more that they'll put in something that they could have rewatched the previous movies to get right. When they do that it throws the movie off a bit. Them wanting to make Mystique bigger than she was hurt that, also. Another thing they need to do is stop trying to be exact with things. No date stamps, no saying what age they were when this happened, hell, no numbers unless it is right there in the moment. Vague is the way to go with stuff like dates and past ages.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2017 4:36:35 GMT
I'm also not a fan of them making a bigger deal out of Mystique than she's supposed to be.
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Post by lukelovesfilm34 on Mar 1, 2017 8:11:59 GMT
First of all, I think they've made Mystique into a fully realized 3-dimensional character throughout the franchise. In the comics, I always felt like she was just a fem fatal and that's it. She was not written to be a real person with layers. In the movies, she does have layers. And there's nothing to say they won't turn Mystique bad for the next film.
Second, I don't think the continuity is that messed up. Because of the events of DOFP, a lot of things shifted and a lot of things stayed the same. That's all you have to keep in mind.
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Post by kuatorises on Mar 1, 2017 14:13:38 GMT
i don't care too much, but it the whole mystique ending in dofp upset me a tad.
Mystique ending? I don't know what you mean by that. |
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Post by ThatGuy on Mar 1, 2017 14:40:01 GMT
First of all, I think they've made Mystique into a fully realized 3-dimensional character throughout the franchise. In the comics, I always felt like she was just a fem fatal and that's it. She was not written to be a real person with layers. In the movies, she does have layers. And there's nothing to say they won't turn Mystique bad for the next film. Second, I don't think the continuity is that messed up. Because of the events of DOFP, a lot of things shifted and a lot of things stayed the same. That's all you have to keep in mind. But they went into the wrong direction with her. Every character in this series has a feeling on the subject of where mutants should be. It almost makes every character the same character. Mystique is a character that doesn't care about the situation as long as it doesn't mess with what she wants. Her reason for doing what she did in DoFP was out of character for the actual Mystique character. She wouldn't go for revenge on her "friends." She'd rebuild the Brotherhood and move on. When Wolverine says in the trailer that Mystique is a cold bitch, that does not apply to the movie version. She's too much of a hero. |
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Post by kuatorises on Mar 1, 2017 14:46:23 GMT
Deadpool as its own thing, that is definitely obvious. They can do whatever they want with that universe. I'm not a fan of the character, so I don't care
Why is Logan its own thing? I haven't seen the movie – it's not out yet, but it appears some people have – so please don't spoil it.
I would not say that I don't care, but it hasn't been so bad that it has ruined the series for me. It does annoy Mystique is a completely different person in each trilogy. Jennifer Lawrence's version of the character has a lot more personality and depth. Watching the first three movies, it's clear that her and Charles did not grow up together. And in X1 Charles says that Magneto has found a way to block his telepathy, but he was there when Magneto acquired the helmet. I also hate that Bryan Singer is seemingly afraid to kill any important character. There are a lot of little things like that show the two trilogies are a little sloppy continuity wise at times, but overall I still like most of the movies.
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Post by brownstones on Mar 1, 2017 15:31:43 GMT
i don't care too much, but it the whole mystique ending in dofp upset me a tad.
Mystique ending? I don't know what you mean by that. When Logan is fished out of the water we see Stryker.....but it's actually Mystique. |
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Post by kuatorises on Mar 1, 2017 16:16:51 GMT
Mystique ending? I don't know what you mean by that. When Logan is fished out of the water we see Stryker.....but it's actually Mystique. Ok, I scrolled up to try to get a better understanding of what about it bothers you. I'm not completely following. This thread is about continuity issues, how does her posing a Stryker affect any of that? Granted, I can see that it is a rather pointless scene, but I'm not sure how it messes with the continuity. |
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Post by Jerk on Mar 2, 2017 0:02:32 GMT
I honestly hadn't seen this thread when I made a similar one the other day. Glad to see I'm not the only one not concerned with seeing perfect continuity.
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Post by Agent of Chaos on Mar 2, 2017 4:17:14 GMT
When Logan is fished out of the water we see Stryker.....but it's actually Mystique. Ok, I scrolled up to try to get a better understanding of what about it bothers you. I'm not completely following. This thread is about continuity issues, how does her posing a Stryker affect any of that? Granted, I can see that it is a rather pointless scene, but I'm not sure how it messes with the continuity. Yeah, it's not like Mystique saving him from drowning would stop him from going into the military and meeting Stryker. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2017 14:15:35 GMT
Ok, I scrolled up to try to get a better understanding of what about it bothers you. I'm not completely following. This thread is about continuity issues, how does her posing a Stryker affect any of that? Granted, I can see that it is a rather pointless scene, but I'm not sure how it messes with the continuity. Yeah, it's not like Mystique saving him from drowning would stop him from going into the military and meeting Stryker. I get what Brownstones is saying though. The implication at the end of DoFP is that Logan WON'T go through Weapon X again. That was the point of leading us to believe that Stryker got his hands on him, only to reveal that it's actually Mystique just rescuing him. But in Apocalypse, we see that he ended up going through Weapon X anyway (though it's suggested that the reason for him going through it was slightly different). I'm ultimately okay with this because DoFP did suggest that time keeps flowing in the same general direction. That's the reason why the future that Logan woke up in at the end of DoFP wasn't COMPLETELY new. It was still loaded with recognizable elements. So Logan eventually getting his adamantium skeleton could just be one of those things that was destined to happen. I'm just wishing that they would have gone about it a different way. Instead of going through Weapon X, he should have been given the adamantium by Apocalypse. |
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Post by kuatorises on Mar 2, 2017 14:43:57 GMT
Ok, I scrolled up to try to get a better understanding of what about it bothers you. I'm not completely following. This thread is about continuity issues, how does her posing a Stryker affect any of that? Granted, I can see that it is a rather pointless scene, but I'm not sure how it messes with the continuity. Yeah, it's not like Mystique saving him from drowning would stop him from going into the military and meeting Stryker. Her saving him from drowning might not, but considering he has the memories of future Wolverine, who already went through the Weapon X program, you'd think he'd avoid it. |
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