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Post by PreachCaleb on Mar 3, 2017 15:00:06 GMT
You misunderstand. I'm not saying time travel was the cause of continuity problems in the comics. Just that once it was introduced, continuity didn't really matter much any more any way. A lot of those retcons also happened despite time travel. Heck, the X-Men started in the 60's, yet barely aged by 90's. Magneto's been a 40 year old Holocaust survivor for over 30 years. Things are different in First Class because characters were recast and it was a bit of a reboot. That's fine. I can accept that. It's really no big deal. Like I said before they have explanations for things like that. Magneto was de-aged to a baby by Moira MacTaggert so she could get rid of his past that made him evil. He was then age up younger than he was before. He turned evil again when he learned what they did to him. Also, comics have what is called a sliding timescale. That's why there have been like 45 years worth of yearly Christmas issues when in the comics world X-men have only been around about 13 years. First Class was an unofficial reboot until DoFP made it not a reboot. They were wishy washy about it being a reboot when people complained about the continuity being off from the OT. Saying that they were just making an X-men movie without being beholden to the previous movies. But they never officially said it was a reboot. It didn't help that the movie began like the 1st X-men movie. Magneto's deaging was a retcon after decades of looking the same. That sliding timescale can apply to movies too. Again, it's no big deal. The Simpsons have had over 20 years of being in the same grade. Homer was a teenager in the 70's, 80's and 90's.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Mar 3, 2017 15:20:44 GMT
Would it be "cooler if they did," in the Dazed and Confused sense of the word "continuity"? Sure.
Do I care about the continuity between the X-Men films, given what I know about the creative context in which they were made? Not even a little bit.
TL; DR: no.
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Post by Agent of Chaos on Mar 3, 2017 15:27:28 GMT
You misunderstand. I'm not saying time travel was the cause of continuity problems in the comics. Just that once it was introduced, continuity didn't really matter much any more any way. A lot of those retcons also happened despite time travel. Heck, the X-Men started in the 60's, yet barely aged by 90's. Magneto's been a 40 year old Holocaust survivor for over 30 years. Things are different in First Class because characters were recast and it was a bit of a reboot. That's fine. I can accept that. It's really no big deal. Like I said before they have explanations for things like that. Magneto was de-aged to a baby by Moira MacTaggert so she could get rid of his past that made him evil. He was then age up younger than he was before. He turned evil again when he learned what they did to him. Also, comics have what is called a sliding timescale. That's why there have been like 45 years worth of yearly Christmas issues when in the comics world X-men have only been around about 13 years. First Class was an unofficial reboot until DoFP made it not a reboot. They were wishy washy about it being a reboot when people complained about the continuity being off from the OT. Saying that they were just making an X-men movie without being beholden to the previous movies. But they never officially said it was a reboot. It didn't help that the movie began like the 1st X-men movie. There were references to X1 in First Class like the opening scene.
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Post by ThatGuy on Mar 3, 2017 19:33:27 GMT
Like I said before they have explanations for things like that. Magneto was de-aged to a baby by Moira MacTaggert so she could get rid of his past that made him evil. He was then age up younger than he was before. He turned evil again when he learned what they did to him. Also, comics have what is called a sliding timescale. That's why there have been like 45 years worth of yearly Christmas issues when in the comics world X-men have only been around about 13 years. First Class was an unofficial reboot until DoFP made it not a reboot. They were wishy washy about it being a reboot when people complained about the continuity being off from the OT. Saying that they were just making an X-men movie without being beholden to the previous movies. But they never officially said it was a reboot. It didn't help that the movie began like the 1st X-men movie. Magneto's deaging was a retcon after decades of looking the same. That sliding timescale can apply to movies too. Again, it's no big deal. The Simpsons have had over 20 years of being in the same grade. Homer was a teenager in the 70's, 80's and 90's. It's not a sliding timescale when they constantly tell you a person's age or time stamp something. And it's not a retcon when they did it as a story and not something going back on something done. Magneto being deaged is along the same lines as Storm replacing Cyclops as leader.
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Post by ThatGuy on Mar 3, 2017 19:44:23 GMT
Like I said before they have explanations for things like that. Magneto was de-aged to a baby by Moira MacTaggert so she could get rid of his past that made him evil. He was then age up younger than he was before. He turned evil again when he learned what they did to him. Also, comics have what is called a sliding timescale. That's why there have been like 45 years worth of yearly Christmas issues when in the comics world X-men have only been around about 13 years. First Class was an unofficial reboot until DoFP made it not a reboot. They were wishy washy about it being a reboot when people complained about the continuity being off from the OT. Saying that they were just making an X-men movie without being beholden to the previous movies. But they never officially said it was a reboot. It didn't help that the movie began like the 1st X-men movie. There were references to X1 in First Class like the opening scene. Are you telling me that happened? Because I'm certain I ended my post with that. But, anyway, that's what I'm saying. They start the movie with the same scene, then go off into a different direction from the other movies. After the movie came out, and started getting questions about it, they should have said that the movie is a reboot. They just started from the same point in time (Erik and his parents in Auschwitz). From there it goes into a different direction. I think people would understand. They do it all the time in anime. But, no, they decided to try and fix the continuity only to make it worse. Hell, even comics do it with Elseworld and What if...? type series or mini series.
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Post by Agent of Chaos on Mar 3, 2017 19:56:42 GMT
There were references to X1 in First Class like the opening scene. Are you telling me that happened? Because I'm certain I ended my post with that. But, anyway, that's what I'm saying. They start the movie with the same scene, then go off into a different direction from the other movies. After the movie came out, and started getting questions about it, they should have said that the movie is a reboot. They just started from the same point in time (Erik and his parents in Auschwitz). From there it goes into a different direction. I think people would understand. They do it all the time in anime. But, no, they decided to try and fix the continuity only to make it worse. Hell, even comics do it with Elseworld and What if...? type series or mini series. Oh, I should have read that post more carefully.
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