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Post by pk9 on Aug 22, 2017 0:59:55 GMT
Uh, how exactly did Sansa help the Lannisters kill Ned? The letter was written AFTER he was arrested. Nothing Sansa could have done would have made a difference.
You could maybe try to blame Sansa for Robb, but I don't think the letter affected his behavior in any way.
Now Littlefinger, on the other hand...
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Post by Marv on Aug 22, 2017 1:14:40 GMT
Right. Im really hoping this is all a misdirection somehow because Arya all of the sudden is just a complete moron.
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Post by Eλευθερί on Aug 22, 2017 1:57:32 GMT
Arya needs to be taken down a few notches. She used to be so cute and scrappy. Now she's a major (censored).
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Post by bluerisk on Aug 22, 2017 2:54:05 GMT
Uh, how exactly did Sansa help the Lannisters kill Ned? The letter was written AFTER he was arrested. Nothing Sansa could have done would have made a difference. You could maybe try to blame Sansa for Robb, but I don't think the letter affected his behavior in any way. Now Littlefinger, on the other hand... If Arya was there, and she was, then she must have seen how Sansa reacted. She screamed and cried. And it was actually arranged to let him take the black...but then came Joffrey.
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Post by Aj_June on Aug 22, 2017 6:42:20 GMT
Uh, how exactly did Sansa help the Lannisters kill Ned? The letter was written AFTER he was arrested. Nothing Sansa could have done would have made a difference. You could maybe try to blame Sansa for Robb, but I don't think the letter affected his behavior in any way. Now Littlefinger, on the other hand... Sansa had ratted out Ned's plan to send her and Arya back to Winterfell by ship. She did so because she dint't want to lose her beloved Jofferey. Most probably Arya had assumed that Sansa was going on with her informer role from before the time she wrote the letter. May be she was wrong but after reading the letter and also recalling clear lie from Sansa liar regarding joffrey's conduct during Nymeria-joffrey episode might have given Arya enough reasons to say those things about Sansa. But it is also possible that Arya is outsmarting littlefinger and delibritely doing these things. In any case, I liked how she scared the sh!t out of Sansa.
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Post by Eλευθερί on Aug 22, 2017 7:06:33 GMT
But it is also possible that Arya is outsmarting littlefinger and delibritely doing these things. In any case, I liked how she scared the sh!t out of Sansa. If she thinks Littlefinger is a traitor/threat, why doesn't she just kill him then?
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Post by Aj_June on Aug 22, 2017 7:16:09 GMT
But it is also possible that Arya is outsmarting littlefinger and delibritely doing these things. In any case, I liked how she scared the sh!t out of Sansa. If she thinks Littlefinger is a traitor/threat, why doesn't she just kill him then? I think she is a very mature killer now and does everything at right time. She can of course kill a person like Littlefinger. The one who was untouched by the great jaqen h'ghar could easily accomplish any assignation. It will probably happen at the right time and hopefully soon.
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Post by pk9 on Aug 22, 2017 8:31:15 GMT
Right. Im really hoping this is all a misdirection somehow because Arya all of the sudden is just a complete moron. Actually, I don't really blame Arya for being blinded by anger. It's Sansa who's the moron for not using this argument as a defense. Instead she tries to take credit for retaking Winterfell, which although true fits completely into Arya's narrative that Sansa is scheming to acquire power.
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Post by Eλευθερί on Aug 22, 2017 20:16:51 GMT
If she thinks Littlefinger is a traitor/threat, why doesn't she just kill him then? I think she is a very mature killer now and does everything at right time. She can of course kill a person like Littlefinger. The one who was untouched by the great jaqen h'ghar could easily accomplish any assignation. It will probably happen at the right time and hopefully soon. If she were very mature, she would just kill without any fanfare or commentary. It's like with charitable donations. The truly mature just give completely anonymously; they don't demand that their names be emblazoned on buildings as a precondition for their donations, and they don't brag about how much they've given. The fact that Arya has been playing these games, like not explaining to Sansa where she had been, not explaining to Brienne how she had learned to fight, is evidence that she is not very mature at all (although very skilled at fighting and killing).
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Post by Aj_June on Aug 22, 2017 21:02:46 GMT
I think she is a very mature killer now and does everything at right time. She can of course kill a person like Littlefinger. The one who was untouched by the great jaqen h'ghar could easily accomplish any assignation. It will probably happen at the right time and hopefully soon. The fact that Arya has been playing these games, like not explaining to Sansa where she had been, not explaining to Brienne how she had learned to fight, is evidence that she is not very mature at all (although very skilled at fighting and killing). Why will she lay all her cards on the table by revealing where she had been? That will be highly immature. In fact that will defeat the purpose of learning with faceless men. The fact that she was trained as assassin means that she not reveal her true identity (unless she gains absolute trust - which she might in future).
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Post by Eλευθερί on Aug 22, 2017 22:08:57 GMT
She's playing games. If she is keeping her cards close to her chest, lying low until the right time to strike, why did she challenge Brienne to spar? There was absolutely no reason for her to do that, other than hubris. Why did she answer "No one" when asked where she had learned to fight like that? She's flaunting her skills, which in this situation is a sign of immaturity.
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Post by Marv on Aug 22, 2017 23:00:53 GMT
After rewatching I do actually think Arya is playing a game with Littlefinger here. I think Arya knew that Sansa still trusted Littlefinger too much and deliberately told her about the letter she found so that she would both tell Littlefinger about it and make it appear as though his plan of putting them against each other is going according to plan. I think she knows what his game is and is leading him along until it's time to slit his throat. I also think she gave the dagger to Sansa on purpose so that she has it at the opportune time when some truth, like Littlefinger betraying Ned in season 1, comes out during a confrontation.
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Post by poelzig on Aug 23, 2017 0:20:37 GMT
She's playing games. If she is keeping her cards close to her chest, lying low until the right time to strike, why did she challenge Brienne to spar? There was absolutely no reason for her to do that, other than hubris. Why did she answer "No one" when asked where she had learned to fight like that? She's flaunting her skills, which in this situation is a sign of immaturity. It does seem like that. The way she was holding one hand behind her back and the smug smirk Arya often has now made me happy that Brienne booted her 10 feet. I would prefer it being some odd subterfuge on Arya's part than an even odder out of nowhere personality change for her.
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Post by Aj_June on Aug 23, 2017 0:42:47 GMT
She's playing games. If she is keeping her cards close to her chest, lying low until the right time to strike, why did she challenge Brienne to spar? There was absolutely no reason for her to do that, other than hubris. Why did she answer "No one" when asked where she had learned to fight like that? She's flaunting her skills, which in this situation is a sign of immaturity. She rightfully replied "No one" for she doesn't trust Brienne enough to reveal that she learned it from faceless men. She didn't brag about herself. She would have done that if she mentioned her accomplishments such as finishing of Lord Walder Frey (who caused the death of her brother and mother), Meryn Trant and other Lannister soldiers. She never did so unlike Sansa who went on to claim how she got winterfell back. She didn't challenge Brienne either. She wanted to test her skills and Brienne seemed good enough person to do that.
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Post by Aj_June on Aug 23, 2017 0:45:03 GMT
She's playing games. If she is keeping her cards close to her chest, lying low until the right time to strike, why did she challenge Brienne to spar? There was absolutely no reason for her to do that, other than hubris. Why did she answer "No one" when asked where she had learned to fight like that? She's flaunting her skills, which in this situation is a sign of immaturity. It does seem like that. The way she was holding one hand behind her back and the smug smirk Arya often has now made me happy that Brienne booted her 10 feet. I would prefer it being some odd subterfuge on Arya's part than an even odder out of nowhere personality change for her. You seem to be put off by a 16 year old girl's smug who has suffered so much in life. What's wrong with your massive ego? can't see the little girl win?
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Post by poelzig on Aug 23, 2017 1:23:57 GMT
It does seem like that. The way she was holding one hand behind her back and the smug smirk Arya often has now made me happy that Brienne booted her 10 feet. I would prefer it being some odd subterfuge on Arya's part than an even odder out of nowhere personality change for her. You seem to be put off by a 16 year old girl's smug who has suffered so much in life. What's wrong with your massive ego? can't see the little girl win? How does my pointing out Arya is acting totally out of character indicate I have a massive ego? You're oddly protective of the one who was untouched by the great jaqen h'ghar. Nothing says creepy like a fat middle aged guy like you obsessed with a little girl. Sansa has suffered just as much and actually even more. Why aren't you "defending" her? She look a little too old for you?
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Post by Aj_June on Aug 23, 2017 1:41:55 GMT
You seem to be put off by a 16 year old girl's smug who has suffered so much in life. What's wrong with your massive ego? can't see the little girl win? How does my pointing out Arya is acting totally out of character indicate I have a massive ego? You're oddly protective of the one who was untouched by the great jaqen h'ghar. Nothing says creepy like a fat middle aged guy like you obsessed with a little girl. Sansa has suffered just as much and actually even more. Why aren't you "defending" her? She look a little too old for you? I am not a fat middle aged guy, although I can understand you picture others the way you are yourself creepy old man. You are egoistic because in your little world people should behave with your norms or else they bug the hell out of you. I am supporting her because she is a self made person who rose by herself. Not only she saw horrible things but also suffered hardships like hunger, extreme battle for survival and what not. I can empathise with people like Arya who are honest, less lordly and care about other lesser beings. You seem to be put off by smug of such people.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Aug 23, 2017 1:44:39 GMT
The whole plotline is stupid.
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Post by poelzig on Aug 23, 2017 2:39:54 GMT
How does my pointing out Arya is acting totally out of character indicate I have a massive ego? You're oddly protective of the one who was untouched by the great jaqen h'ghar. Nothing says creepy like a fat middle aged guy like you obsessed with a little girl. Sansa has suffered just as much and actually even more. Why aren't you "defending" her? She look a little too old for you? I can understand you picture others the way you are yourself creepy old man. So you admit you're a creepy old man. That was obvious from your fixation on a little girl but you don't have to be so proud of it. Damn dude
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Post by Aj_June on Aug 23, 2017 2:48:12 GMT
I can understand you picture others the way you are yourself creepy old man. So you admit you're a creepy old man. That was obvious from your fixation on a little girl but you don't have to be so proud of it. Damn dude Troll somebody else weirdo, the only thing that is clear is your fixation about "little girls" which can be checked from your posting history and number of time you bring such a thing. And also the creepy interpretation of little girl is evident from your post. Unlike myself who sees a little girl as hero for standing against villains your sick mind sees little girls the other way. Poor you old fella for getting disturbed by smug of a person who has suffered immensely.
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