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Post by shinnickneth on Sept 18, 2017 19:42:43 GMT
Who would you guys (and gals) say is the most underused character on the show? I would have to say Kevan Lannister.  Regulated to a background character for most of the show, his more "prominent" role in seasons 5/6 just doesn't carry the weight it should from the books. He really is one of the only figures, who by that point in the story, can bring peace and prosperity to the 7 Kingdoms (which is why he gets killed by Varys in the books). The actor is very good in his small role though. |
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Sept 18, 2017 19:49:05 GMT
The entire kingdom of Dorne
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Post by jon snow loves sansa on Sept 19, 2017 0:34:49 GMT
On the show Was he killed in the septa fire ??
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Post by shinnickneth on Sept 19, 2017 1:59:12 GMT
On the show Was he killed in the septa fire ?? Yes. Kevan Lannister was Tywin's little brother. |
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Sept 19, 2017 4:57:40 GMT
Who would you guys (and gals) say is the most underused character on the show? I would have to say Kevan Lannister. Regulated to a background character for most of the show, his more "prominent" role in seasons 5/6 just doesn't carry the weight it should from the books. He really is one of the only figures, who by that point in the story, can bring peace and prosperity to the 7 Kingdoms (which is why he gets killed by Varys in the books). He should have been more active in S6. The show wasted the occasion to show him working together with Tommen and trying to manage the High Sparrow, negotiating an acceptable outcome for Cersei. It would have made Tommen act like a pussy while learning the game instead of being one and added ambiguity to the outcome since there would never have been full certainty that the High Sparrow would keep his engagements. Cersei deciding not to trust them rather than just doing the last thing she could to survive would have been a more interesting statement too. They decided magic Arya running around or the bitch on her dragons was what paying idiots wanted to see and they were probably right.  |
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Post by shinnickneth on Sept 19, 2017 22:26:19 GMT
The entire kingdom of Dorne Interesting. Did you want to see more of Dorne or have more of the characters come to Westeros from Dorne? |
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Post by jon snow loves sansa on Sept 19, 2017 23:12:58 GMT
Who would you guys (and gals) say is the most underused character on the show? I would have to say Kevan Lannister. Regulated to a background character for most of the show, his more "prominent" role in seasons 5/6 just doesn't carry the weight it should from the books. He really is one of the only figures, who by that point in the story, can bring peace and prosperity to the 7 Kingdoms (which is why he gets killed by Varys in the books). He should have been more active in S6. The show wasted the occasion to show him working together with Tommen and trying to manage the High Sparrow, negotiating an acceptable outcome for Cersei. It would have made Tommen act like a pussy while learning the game instead of being one and added ambiguity to the outcome since there would never have been full certainty that the High Sparrow would keep his engagements. Cersei deciding not to trust them rather than just doing the last thing she could to survive would have been a more interesting statement too. They decided magic Arya running around or the bitch on her dragons was what paying idiots wanted to see and they were probably right. Just wanted to say loved this drawing so cute 😍😍 |
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Post by yougotastewgoinbaby on Sept 20, 2017 6:34:47 GMT
The entire kingdom of Dorne Interesting. Did you want to see more of Dorne or have more of the characters come to Westeros from Dorne? Dorne is in Westeros... There is much more to Dorne and its characters in the books than in the show...which pretty much just discarded of them. |
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Post by yougotastewgoinbaby on Sept 20, 2017 6:36:51 GMT
The mutha fookin Blackfish. They wasted him.
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Post by shinnickneth on Sept 20, 2017 16:50:22 GMT
Dorne is in Westeros...There is much more to Dorne and its characters in the books than in the show...which pretty much just discarded of them. Ah...I didn't know that and I've even read the books.  I always considered it in Essos because of how different it is from the other 7 seven kingdoms. |
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Post by shinnickneth on Sept 20, 2017 17:14:54 GMT
He should have been more active in S6. The show wasted the occasion to show him working together with Tommen and trying to manage the High Sparrow, negotiating an acceptable outcome for Cersei. It would have made Tommen act like a pussy while learning the game instead of being one and added ambiguity to the outcome since there would never have been full certainty that the High Sparrow would keep his engagements. Cersei deciding not to trust them rather than just doing the last thing she could to survive would have been a more interesting statement too. Yes. I don't think the show made Kevan's position (within the Lannister family or his power within King's Landing) clear. They also didn't hit on why Kevan is so angry with Cersei. For those who only watch the show: Lancel is Kevan's only surviving son at that point in the story. His other two sons, Martyn (played by Tommen actor Dean-Charles Chapman) and Willem Lannister, were murdered by Rickard Karstark in season 3. Kevan didn't have any girls, so Lancel is the only heir of Kevan's estate at that point in the story. When Lancel joins the Faith Militant, Kevan blames Cersei. She had sex with his son, caused Lancel to feel so ashamed of himself that he joined the Faith Militant, and weakened the Lannister family's position by taking away his heir. Furthermore, he's angry with her because she brought a stain on the Lannister legacy/name, which his elder brother (Tywin) worked so hard to establish. Before and after Cersei's imprisonment in the books, Kevan Lannister works swiftly to make amends for the problems his family had started. He starts bringing so much peace that the Lannister enemies take note and start plotting to get rid of him. Varys, as I stated before, shoots Kevan with the crossbow after caving in Pycelle's head. Varys then lets his little birds stab Kevan to death. The monologue that Qyburn delivers to Pycelle in the show, is pretty much the one Varys gives to Kevan Lannister verbatim in the books. It makes sense when he says it to Kevan because Kevan actually did live his life with dignity/honesty, while Pycelle did not and was never an upstanding man in any form or fashion. |
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Sept 20, 2017 17:23:06 GMT
The entire kingdom of Dorne Interesting. Did you want to see more of Dorne or have more of the characters come to Westeros from Dorne? I wanted the story line to be more interesting than it was.
Although book readers are not fans of Dorne because it is away from the story they spent 3 or 4 books on, I loved the cultural differences of Dorne in the books. They played the game in ways that the other kingdoms didn't understand and that was a welcome change of pace.
I think Doran & his bodyguard were great characters and the story would have been better served with them in the Sand Snakes position.
In contrast with the books, which had the entirety of Dorne supporting efforts against the Lannisters, the show basically summed them up in the ridiculous actions of the Snakes who never gave the impression of being leaders.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Sept 20, 2017 17:40:50 GMT
Interesting. Did you want to see more of Dorne or have more of the characters come to Westeros from Dorne? I wanted the story line to be more interesting than it was.
Although book readers are not fans of Dorne because it is away from the story they spent 3 or 4 books on, I loved the cultural differences of Dorne in the books. They played the game in ways that the other kingdoms didn't understand and that was a welcome change of pace.
I think Doran & his bodyguard were great characters and the story would have been better served with them in the Sand Snakes position.
In contrast with the books, which had the entirety of Dorne supporting efforts against the Lannisters, the show basically summed them up in the ridiculous actions of the Snakes who never gave the impression of being leaders.
There has been a theory that the show originally planned for a plot twist to occur in S6 and more episodes dedicated to Dorne. As in the books, Doran would have been revealed as a schemer using the Sand Snakes without them knowing about it first but this was scrapped. It could have made Myrcella's murder a feigned treason on Ellaria's part, performed with Doran's knowledge, as this scene of S5E10 prepared:  |
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Post by Aj_June on Sept 21, 2017 9:36:12 GMT
The mutha fookin Blackfish. They wasted him. Real badass. Too bad they scarified him for nothing. Who would you guys (and gals) say is the most underused character on the show? I would have to say Kevan Lannister. Regulated to a background character for most of the show, his more "prominent" role in seasons 5/6 just doesn't carry the weight it should from the books. He really is one of the only figures, who by that point in the story, can bring peace and prosperity to the 7 Kingdoms (which is why he gets killed by Varys in the books). The actor is very good in his small role though. As Leo of Red Keep points out Kevan never thought anything that Tywin had not already thought. That probably made him expendable. |
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Post by shinnickneth on Sept 21, 2017 18:05:55 GMT
As Leo of Red Keep points out Kevan never thought anything that Tywin had not already thought. That probably made him expendable. I don't think that's what Leo meant at all. After all, he started his first sentence with saying Kevan should have been more active in the show. Kevan Lannister was heavily underused. He's different from Tywin in that he's less cunning/devious and more follows a "moralistic"/religious approach than his brother ever did. Kevan has lived his life in the shadow of his elder brother. Once Tywin is gone, he takes the reins. I really didn't get that in the show. They make it seem like Kevan doesn't know what he's doing at all. i.e. The whole scene with Cersei/Jaime telling him to step aside like he's inexperienced like Tommen. Nor did they make clear why Kevan acts the way he does towards Cersei. |
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Post by shinnickneth on Sept 21, 2017 18:10:38 GMT
Just wanted to say loved this drawing so cute 😍😍 It is adorable.  I wonder if the artist did anymore of these? |
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Sept 21, 2017 18:46:43 GMT
Who would you guys (and gals) say is the most underused character on the show? I would have to say Kevan Lannister. Regulated to a background character for most of the show, his more "prominent" role in seasons 5/6 just doesn't carry the weight it should from the books. He really is one of the only figures, who by that point in the story, can bring peace and prosperity to the 7 Kingdoms (which is why he gets killed by Varys in the books). He should have been more active in S6. The show wasted the occasion to show him working together with Tommen and trying to manage the High Sparrow, negotiating an acceptable outcome for Cersei. It would have made Tommen act like a pussy while learning the game instead of being one and added ambiguity to the outcome since there would never have been full certainty that the High Sparrow would keep his engagements. Cersei deciding not to trust them rather than just doing the last thing she could to survive would have been a more interesting statement too. They decided magic Arya running around or the bitch on her dragons was what paying idiots wanted to see and they were probably right. I loved the finale just for the spectacle, but it should have dovetailed with what became of Kevan in the books which in a matter of a few pages had him more fleshed (& likeable) than the whole season.
Because they didn't care about him in the end, the book version would not have held much weight, but it still would have been an interesting twist.
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Post by Aj_June on Sept 21, 2017 20:41:42 GMT
As Leo of Red Keep points out Kevan never thought anything that Tywin had not already thought. That probably made him expendable. I don't think that's what Leo meant at all. After all, he started his first sentence with saying Kevan should have been more active in the show. Kevan Lannister was heavily underused. He's different from Tywin in that he's less cunning/devious and more follows a "moralistic"/religious approach than his brother ever did. Kevan has lived his life in the shadow of his elder brother. Once Tywin is gone, he takes the reins. I really didn't get that in the show. They make it seem like Kevan doesn't know what he's doing at all. i.e. The whole scene with Cersei/Jaime telling him to step aside like he's inexperienced like Tommen. Nor did they make clear why Kevan acts the way he does towards Cersei. I didn't mean Leo's post in this particular topic but in past topics ( the comment is made in the books by GRRM). They did made him slightly different in the show than in Books but in fact they made him worse in the show than he was in the book. |
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Post by 🌵 on Sept 22, 2017 14:23:48 GMT
Salladhor Saan. He was a great character, but only appeared in something like two scenes.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2017 18:31:22 GMT
Bran (before he became the Three Eyed Raven). He should have been in season 5, and been a bigger focus of season 6.
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