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Post by Nalkarj on Oct 15, 2017 22:38:53 GMT
Think the Mods would be willing to get rid of Salzmark? WR, that's Salzma nk, with an n. Just to clarify.
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Post by DC-Fan on Oct 16, 2017 1:28:03 GMT
So Disney/Marvel is lifting the review embargo only 5 days before the premiere? That doesn't sound very confident at all. What are you talking about? It comes out Oct. 27 in the UK and Nov. 3 here in the U.S. The release date is October 24 for UK and Taiwan: www.imdb.com/title/tt3501632/releaseinfo. So Disney/Marvel is lifting the review embargo only 5 days before the premiere. Like I said, that doesn't sound very confident at all.
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Post by seahawksraawk00 on Oct 16, 2017 1:43:31 GMT
What are you talking about? It comes out Oct. 27 in the UK and Nov. 3 here in the U.S. The release date is October 24 for UK and Taiwan: www.imdb.com/title/tt3501632/releaseinfo. So Disney/Marvel is lifting the review embargo only 5 days before the premiere. Like I said, that doesn't sound very confident at all. Wonder Woman lifted their embargo two days before their release day. Granted, they were dealing with the possibility of more critical reviews like BvS and Suicide Squad. But I think its safe to say Taika is extremely confident in their film. Publicity has been great and Chris Hemsworth has even gone on the record to say he was bored with the original portrayal of Thor in the other films and that they finally got the character right and that a lot of the dialogue is all improv. That speaks confidence
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Post by Lord Death Man on Oct 16, 2017 1:55:38 GMT
Say what you will about the MCU - it's kiddy, safe, formulaic, etc.; what it has going for it is a sweeping sense of adventure like the swashbuckling serials of old. I really think that's the key to it all for them. There are so many places to go; the Nine Realms, the Microverse, a floating (or flying) fortresses, a seedy, crime-ridden metropolis, etc. The MCU isn't designed around a series of money shots set against post-apocalyptic landscapes and rain-soaked streets. The DCEU wants nothing but awe and reverence from its patrons while the MCU is content with a smile, a gasp or a quick rush of adrenaline when one of their heroes manages the impossible - yet again. This is a nice thought, Lord Death Man, and I do want to agree. (I also love that poster, though I cut it out for space reasons.) But (and you knew there was a "but" coming, right? ), if that's what the Marvel people are intending, I must say I didn't get that feeling all that often. See, I think one of the highest criteria for a superhero flick is the sense of wonder. "You will believe a man can fly," and all that. Superheroes, like the heroes of old (Perseus, Theseus, Heracles, et al.), represent the best part of ourselves--that which still believes in honor, decency, morality, chivalry, humanity, desire to help one's fellow man. It is for this reason that I find Man of Steel an utter disaster and, by and large, The Dark Knight not the masterpiece it's often claimed to be. While this analysis may seem peculiar or idiosyncratic, I would say that the very essence of the superhero is that he is, indeed, a hero; remove that point, and you lose the raison d'être of the character and the film. If you swap out these ideals for the cruelty of day-to-day life, then the result is not a superhero movie; it may well be a great film noir or drama, but not a superhero flick. Indeed, in (e.g.) a noir, the point is that there are no heroes. I have experienced that sense of wonder in perhaps a half-dozen comic-book movies: Superman, Batman, Batman Returns, Spider-Man, Spider-Man II, and Iron Man, with a little star for Captain America, which I also enjoyed. Going outside of DC and Marvel Comics, I had the same sense in The Rocketeer and Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow, both of which are superb. (Directly connected is just sheer fun, to be experienced rather than analyzed.) You said it best here: it's a concept that describes "...a smile, a gasp or a quick rush of adrenaline when one of their heroes manages the impossible..."--something, I should note, that one may also feel with (e.g.) Indiana Jones or James Bond. Now! As an inveterate lover of the "swashbuckling serials of old," my biggest problem with the Marvel movies is that the majority don't have this quality. I felt more a propensity for universe-building and in-jokes in The Avengers than any true sense of joy--a sense that it was, again, made by committee rather than by individual. As I've written elsewhere, the formula seems to be "blow something up; say some supposedly witty one-liner; join together with friends ('the power of friendship'!); have some big twist in the 3rd act; then repeat." Quite frankly, I find that dull, plain and simple, and not akin to the swashbucklers I love so much. Again, we're all speaking in generalities here; I'm very fond of the movies I cited above. Nor is this (as it has been made to be by some posters) a DC/Marvel thing; I find DC and Marvel equally responsible, for different reasons. To be frank, I dislike the DC movies now a bit more than the Marvel movies, as I would rather have that formula, annoying though it is, than the sophomoric existentialism extant in DC's latest product. (I haven't seen Wonder Woman, which seems [from what I hear] an exception to this trend.) I fully agree with you that the key to these movies is a sweeping sense of adventure, a smile, a laugh, an exhilarating joie de vivre and wonder--I only wish that DC and Marvel would agree with us. OK, bring on the flying fruit, folks. "Hee, hee, hee... Beware! Save Save" Hee hee hee... a fair assessment, even if I can't always agree. The Marvel films aren't perfect but, I do feel they deliver on high-adventure more times than not. Whether it matches the grandeur of the serials of old is a point that can be debated. I would say, at the very least, they are reminiscent of that genre and storytelling technique. Whenever I anticipate seeing a DCEU film, it's not because of the story or world-building, it's because I want to see a particular character or characters; Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman, etc. With the Marvel films, I'm much more interested in where they plan to take me next. I respect their diversity of settings and all of the movie's and TV show's loose interconnectivity.
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Post by DSDSquared on Oct 17, 2017 17:53:20 GMT
So Disney/Marvel is lifting the review embargo only 5 days before the premiere? That doesn't sound very confident at all. What? That is very confident and actually gets me more excited for the movie. Usually, reviews do not come out until the day before. For instance, reviews are still not out for Geostorm and I can guess why. Most studios will not allow their reviews to come out a full 14 days early unless they are confident in the film. Not sure where five days came from since the movie premieres on 11/03.
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Post by DC-Fan on Oct 18, 2017 3:33:08 GMT
So Disney/Marvel is lifting the review embargo only 5 days before the premiere? That doesn't sound very confident at all. Not sure where five days came from since the movie premieres on 11/03. Thor: Ragnarok premieres on Oct 24. So the embargo is being lifted only 5 days before the premiere.
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Post by seahawksraawk00 on Oct 18, 2017 4:17:16 GMT
Not sure where five days came from since the movie premieres on 11/03. Thor: Ragnarok premieres on Oct 24. So the embargo is being lifted only 5 days before the premiere. The UK is only a small percentage of the worldwide Box office. The US premiere is a larger part of it, which will be on November 3rd. So for us US audience, we can read reviews a full 15 days before its release, two weeks. Meanwhile, Wonder Woman waited until the day before its release.
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Post by DC-Fan on Oct 18, 2017 4:46:07 GMT
Thor: Ragnarok premieres on Oct 24. So the embargo is being lifted only 5 days before the premiere. The UK is only a small percentage of the worldwide Box office. The US premiere is a larger part of it, which will be on November 3rd. So for us US audience, we can read reviews a full 15 days before its release, two weeks. So when counting box office gross, you MCU fans want to count foreign box office even though the movie studios don't give a shit about foreign box office since they only get to keep very little of it, but you MCU fans don't want to count the foreign box office when it comes to release dates and embargoes. Such hypocrisy!
The fact is the embargo for Thor: Ragnarok is being lifted only 5 days before the premiere, not 15 days. It doesn't matter if the US release is 15 days later or 30 days later. The fact that Thor: Ragnarok is being released in UK and Taiwan on Oct 24 means spoilers will be out on Oct 24. So MCU has to lift the embargo before the spoilers come out and that's why they're releasing the embargo on Oct 19, just 5 days before the premiere.
If UK and Taiwan released on Nov 3 like the US, the embargo lift date would've been Oct 29 instead of Oct 19. But since UK and Taiwan are releasing on Oct 24, they had to move the embargo date up to Oct 19, which is just 5 days before the premiere. (It doesn't matter that UK and Taiwan are only a small percentage of the worldwide box office. There's this thing called the Internet. Once it's released in UK and Taiwan on Oct 24, spoilers will be all over the Internet on Oct 24.)
So no, MCU isn't that confident about Thor: Ragnarok because they're lifting the embargo only 5 days before the premiere.
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Post by harpospoke on Oct 18, 2017 5:07:07 GMT
The UK is only a small percentage of the worldwide Box office. The US premiere is a larger part of it, which will be on November 3rd. So for us US audience, we can read reviews a full 15 days before its release, two weeks. So when counting box office gross, you MCU fans want to count foreign box office even though the movie studios don't give a shit about foreign box office since they only get to keep very little of it, but you MCU fans don't want to count the foreign box office when it comes to release dates and embargoes. Such hypocrisy!
The fact is the embargo for Thor: Ragnarok is being lifted only 5 days before the premiere, not 15 days. It doesn't matter if the US release is 15 days later or 30 days later. The fact that Thor: Ragnarok is being released in UK and Taiwan on Oct 24 means spoilers will be out on Oct 24. So MCU has to lift the embargo before the spoilers come out and that's why they're releasing the embargo on Oct 19, just 5 days before the premiere.
If UK and Taiwan released on Nov 3 like the US, the embargo lift date would've been Oct 29 instead of Oct 19. But since UK and Taiwan are releasing on Oct 24, they had to move the embargo date up to Oct 19, which is just 5 days before the premiere. (It doesn't matter that UK and Taiwan are only a small percentage of the worldwide box office. There's this thing called the Internet. Once it's released in UK and Taiwan on Oct 24, spoilers will be all over the Internet on Oct 24.)
So no, MCU isn't that confident about Thor: Ragnarok because they're lifting the embargo only 5 days before the premiere.
What an odd conversation. We've literally been reading reactions to the movie since the 8th of Oct and you are trying to make the case that Marvel was not confident in this movie? Marvel obviously had no problem with critics opinions of the movie hitting the internet early. Lots of RT critics giving it a thumbs up already. You are really reaching on this one.
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Post by seahawksraawk00 on Oct 18, 2017 5:13:16 GMT
The UK is only a small percentage of the worldwide Box office. The US premiere is a larger part of it, which will be on November 3rd. So for us US audience, we can read reviews a full 15 days before its release, two weeks. So when counting box office gross, you MCU fans want to count foreign box office even though the movie studios don't give a shit about foreign box office since they only get to keep very little of it, but you MCU fans don't want to count the foreign box office when it comes to release dates and embargoes. Such hypocrisy!
The fact is the embargo for Thor: Ragnarok is being lifted only 5 days before the premiere, not 15 days. It doesn't matter if the US release is 15 days later or 30 days later. The fact that Thor: Ragnarok is being released in UK and Taiwan on Oct 24 means spoilers will be out on Oct 24. So MCU has to lift the embargo before the spoilers come out and that's why they're releasing the embargo on Oct 19, just 5 days before the premiere.
If UK and Taiwan released on Nov 3 like the US, the embargo lift date would've been Oct 29 instead of Oct 19. But since UK and Taiwan are releasing on Oct 24, they had to move the embargo date up to Oct 19, which is just 5 days before the premiere. (It doesn't matter that UK and Taiwan are only a small percentage of the worldwide box office. There's this thing called the Internet. Once it's released in UK and Taiwan on Oct 24, spoilers will be all over the Internet on Oct 24.)
So no, MCU isn't that confident about Thor: Ragnarok because they're lifting the embargo only 5 days before the premiere.
As usual, you're just making shit up because no on one here has ever talked about that. I can care less about the money made, and generally, everyone else can care less too. It's just you making a big deal out of it. The studio obviously cares about the money made so I'm just using it to make my point that because for starters, the UK is a small part of the box office numbers, but also, generally, all US movies are released earlier in Europe. And the fact they're lifting the embargo five days before the UK release clearly shows they're confident because it's literally a full two weeks before the US premiere, which is where they'll really begin to make money. And you basically just proved my point as well because, yes, reviews and spoilers will be out by then and you can easily find 'em. But they're clearly confident that the early reviews will be good enough and that have faith that US audience will go out and see this film despite the spoilers that may be released. Yes, it's five days before the UK premiere, but it's 15 from the US, whose box office will bring in the most money besides maybe Asia. Meanwhile. Wonder Woman lifted the embargo a day before their premiere, and the US premiere no less.
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Post by DC-Fan on Oct 18, 2017 6:08:45 GMT
it's literally a full two weeks before the US premiere, which is where they'll really begin to make money. And which is completely irrelevant. Once again, the Thor: Ragnarkok embargo is being lifted only 5 days before the release date, which is when spoilers will be all over the Internet, not 15 days before. Embargo release dates aren't about which market will make money. Embargo release dates have to be timed to be lifted before spoilers start getting out.
If UK and Taiwan released on Nov 3 like the US, then MCU would lift the embargo on Oct 29 instead of Oct 19. The reason MCU moved the embargo lift date to Oct 19 is because UK and Taiwan are releasing on Oct 24 and thus spoilers will be all over the Internet on Oct 24. So the embargo is being lifted only 5 days before the release date and not 15 days.[/quote] Wonder Woman lifted the embargo a day before their premiere, and the US premiere no less. STOP LYING! Wonder Woman's embargo was lifted more than 1 day before the US premiere. The US premiere of Wonder Woman was on June 2. The embargo was lifted in the last week of May.
You MCU fans always have to constantly make up lies and excuses.
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Post by scabab on Oct 18, 2017 6:09:46 GMT
You know UK is the third biggest market in the world for box office, I wouldn't undermine it so much.
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Post by DSDSquared on Oct 18, 2017 11:48:06 GMT
The reviews are still coming out early and all reactions are positive so far. The studio seems very confident in this movie and I promise at least an 80% RT score.
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Post by seahawksraawk00 on Oct 18, 2017 12:43:02 GMT
it's literally a full two weeks before the US premiere, which is where they'll really begin to make money. And which is completely irrelevant. Once again, the Thor: Ragnarkok embargo is being lifted only 5 days before the release date, which is when spoilers will be all over the Internet, not 15 days before. Embargo release dates aren't about which market will make money. Embargo release dates have to be timed to be lifted before spoilers start getting out.
If UK and Taiwan released on Nov 3 like the US, then MCU would lift the embargo on Oct 29 instead of Oct 19. The reason MCU moved the embargo lift date to Oct 19 is because UK and Taiwan are releasing on Oct 24 and thus spoilers will be all over the Internet on Oct 24. So the embargo is being lifted only 5 days before the release date and not 15 days.Wonder Woman lifted the embargo a day before their premiere, and the US premiere no less. STOP LYING! Wonder Woman's embargo was lifted more than 1 day before the US premiere. The US premiere of Wonder Woman was on June 2. The embargo was lifted in the last week of May.
You MCU fans always have to constantly make up lies and excuses.[/quote] I'm not even going to try and explain it anymore. You're to fuckin stupid to even understand. You're clearly upset though of the positive reception Thor is getting and it's getting to you, Nancy. And I just looked it up. Wonder Woman embargo was lifted on May 31, two days before the US premiere.
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Post by formersamhmd on Oct 18, 2017 12:54:43 GMT
And which is completely irrelevant. Once again, the Thor: Ragnarkok embargo is being lifted only 5 days before the release date, which is when spoilers will be all over the Internet, not 15 days before. Embargo release dates aren't about which market will make money. Embargo release dates have to be timed to be lifted before spoilers start getting out.
If UK and Taiwan released on Nov 3 like the US, then MCU would lift the embargo on Oct 29 instead of Oct 19. The reason MCU moved the embargo lift date to Oct 19 is because UK and Taiwan are releasing on Oct 24 and thus spoilers will be all over the Internet on Oct 24. So the embargo is being lifted only 5 days before the release date and not 15 days.Wonder Woman lifted the embargo a day before their premiere, and the US premiere no less. STOP LYING! Wonder Woman's embargo was lifted more than 1 day before the US premiere. The US premiere of Wonder Woman was on June 2. The embargo was lifted in the last week of May.
You MCU fans always have to constantly make up lies and excuses. I'm not even going to try and explain it anymore. You're to fuckin stupid to even understand. You're clearly upset though of the positive reception Thor is getting and it's getting to you, Nancy. And I just looked it up. Wonder Woman embargo was lifted on May 31, two days before the US premiere.[/quote] You know he'll just ignore this...but I admire you sticking it to him.
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Post by DC-Fan on Oct 18, 2017 15:31:08 GMT
Wonder Woman embargo was lifted on May 31, two days before the US premiere. STOP LYING! The Wonder Woman embargo wasn't lifted on May 31. It was lifted before that. WB moved up the embargo lift date. You MCU fans are always constantly making up lies and excuses.
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Post by formersamhmd on Oct 18, 2017 15:40:01 GMT
STOP LYING! Wonder Woman's embargo was lifted more than 1 day before the US premiere. The US premiere of Wonder Woman was on June 2. The embargo was lifted in the last week of May.
You MCU fans always have to constantly make up lies and excuses.
I'm not even going to try and explain it anymore. You're to fuckin stupid to even understand. You're clearly upset though of the positive reception Thor is getting and it's getting to you, Nancy. And I just looked it up. Wonder Woman embargo was lifted on May 31, two days before the US premiere.
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STOP LYING! The Wonder Woman embargo wasn't lifted on May 31. It was lifted before that. WB moved up the embargo lift date. You MCU fans are always constantly making up lies and excuses.
[/quote] It was lifted 6 days before that, meaning not much of a difference. You'd think someone who does IT Work would know basic math.
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Post by DC-Fan on Oct 18, 2017 15:48:50 GMT
STOP LYING! The Wonder Woman embargo wasn't lifted on May 31. It was lifted before that. WB moved up the embargo lift date. You MCU fans are always constantly making up lies and excuses. It was lifted 6 days before that, meaning not much of a difference. You'd think someone who does IT Work would know basic math. There's a huge difference between an embargo being lifted almost a whole week before the movie is released vs being lifted "a day before the premiere" as that lying seahawksraawk0 claimed.
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Post by formersamhmd on Oct 18, 2017 15:56:55 GMT
It was lifted 6 days before that, meaning not much of a difference. You'd think someone who does IT Work would know basic math. There's a huge difference between an embargo being lifted almost a whole week before the movie is released vs being lifted "a day before the premiere" Not much of one, actually.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Oct 18, 2017 16:02:05 GMT
There's a huge difference between an embargo being lifted almost a whole week before the movie is released vs being lifted "a day before the premiere" Not much of one, actually. Well... not to split hairs Sammy but, six is greater than one. Hee hee hee... The fact that they chose to lift early was a powerful statement about their overall confidence in the film. Now, if they could only fix her accent. Hee hee hee...
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