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Post by Lord Death Man on Oct 25, 2017 22:13:49 GMT
This thread needs to get back on track real quick. A movie getting good reviews is a good thing not a reason for people to start arguing and name calling. It must be hard to be a DC fan right now. You're doing the same thing that you criticise people like DC Fan for doing. With all due respect moderator, Raptor's comments are not all that incendiary when compared to those who are espousing conspiracy theories and promoting fringe ideas surrounding multi-cultural inclusion in Hollywood films. Is this a politics board or a CBM board?
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Post by scabab on Oct 25, 2017 22:16:15 GMT
This thread needs to get back on track real quick. A movie getting good reviews is a good thing not a reason for people to start arguing and name calling. You're doing the same thing that you criticise people like DC Fan for doing. Blame primemover for hijacking this thread and polluting it with conspiracy theories that are idiotic even by Alex Jones’ standards. Not really. AA made a thread where he mentioned that Thor has a 99% on Rotten Tomatoes and by the first response it had turned into a DC discusson.
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Post by Skaathar on Oct 26, 2017 0:04:39 GMT
Do we know of any other superhero movie that had such a high score when they were 60+ reviews in?
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Oct 26, 2017 0:07:51 GMT
Good to hear we have a good Thor film this time around. Thor The Dark World was a terrible film.
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Post by darkpast on Oct 26, 2017 2:27:37 GMT
one check must have got lost in the mail
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Post by harpospoke on Oct 26, 2017 4:28:39 GMT
Define "obscurity". Why doesn't every movie get the same amount of buzz if it is all artificially created by the marketers? How many media companies are there supposed to be? Obscurity as in the general public doesnt talk about it. The general public doesn't talk about any movies. Marvel movies certainly are not forgotten by people who do talk about movies. Homecoming, Guardians of the Galaxy 2, Dr Strange, Civil War all have threads devoted to them on this board in the last 24 hours. In addition, there are other threads discussion Marvel villains, the Avengers, Hawkeye, Ronin, and Peggy Carter. Doesn't look like they are forgotten after 2 months to me.
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Post by harpospoke on Oct 26, 2017 4:38:46 GMT
But rest assured Ragnarok will be the best reviewed movie ever... until the next Disney franchise film comes out. Thus why you have the perception that movies are "forgotten". When Marvel keeps giving us new things to talk about...of COURSE we will have less time to talk about previous movies. If they only released a movie every 3-5 years then we would naturally talk about each one longer. That's how it used to work when there were very few CB movies. What were you going to talk about in 1990?....Batman of course. What else was there to discuss?
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Oct 26, 2017 4:49:57 GMT
Doesn't look like they are forgotten after 2 months to me. The movies are marketed to the general public. Of course the comic geeks will be talking about it until the end of time. That's a given. But as general cinemaphiles go, or even ones that collect genre movies-forget it. They are totally disposable. There just isn't enough between the anonymous robot fights, quips, or domestic angst to ensure a long term appreciation. A John Carpenter or Paul Verhoeven film has legs even after decades. And they never enjoyed the paid hype that these films get.
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Oct 26, 2017 4:52:35 GMT
What were you going to talk about in 1990?....Batman of course. What else was there to discuss? Total Recall, Darkman...there were others. Thing is, in those days it was the film itself that generated the hype-not so much the marketing. If we are talking about superhero movies specifically no-but I am speaking about the hype machine around these films. We could say the same about Star Wars or Pirates films or even some Oscar season films with so much paid advertising.
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Post by harpospoke on Oct 26, 2017 5:01:05 GMT
Doesn't look like they are forgotten after 2 months to me. The movies are marketed to the general public. Of course the comic geeks will be talking about it until the end of time. That's a given. But as general cinemaphiles go, or even ones that collect genre movies-forget it. They are totally disposable. There just isn't enough between the anonymous robot fights, quips, or domestic angst to ensure a long term appreciation. A John Carpenter or Paul Verhoeven film has legs even after decades. And they never enjoyed the paid hype that these films get. You're pretty much just making stuff up here. The general public doesn't talk about movies that much at all. No one has brought up Star Wars, Gone with the Wind, Back to the Future, Casablanca, or Duck Soup to me in months. I'm the one who has to broach that subject. If you want to start using specific groups of people like these vague "cinemaphiles"...then that's not the "general public"...which was your original claim. Exactly like your "comic geeks" group...those "cinemaphiles" will of course talk about their hipster films. They are the types who discuss how great Donnie Darko, The Big Lebowski, Trainspotting, and A Clockwork Orange are. So we aren't going to count your hipsters and discount the geeks just because the former supports your point.
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Post by harpospoke on Oct 26, 2017 5:04:32 GMT
What were you going to talk about in 1990?....Batman of course. What else was there to discuss? Total Recall, Darkman...there were others. Thing is, in those days it was the film itself that generated the hype-not so much the marketing. If we are talking about superhero movies specifically no-but I am speaking about the hype machine around these films. We could say the same about Star Wars or Pirates films or even some Oscar season films with so much paid advertising. They could only discuss the movies that were available. Note that people stopped talking about Total Recall the next year....because they were talking about T2 instead. Advertising has always been a thing. Not sure how you think people knew about movies decades ago...but it was because of marketing.
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Oct 26, 2017 5:25:38 GMT
So we aren't going to count your hipsters and discount the geeks just because the former supports your point. Make it simple for you-the general public doesn't give a shit about Thor or MCU. There's the paid marketing buzz-and the public response. These days all we have really is the marketing. We really dont even know how accurate these box office returns are. Mojo said it was the worst domestic summer since 1992 or 1982 depending how you read it. In the days of Total Recall or Terminator 2 there was genuine public response because at the very least the films were envelope pushers in FX if nothing else. In fact, I remember Entertainment Tonight asking people what they thought about T2-and someone did say they thought it was too much of a kids movie. Back to specifics--the fact that this film is getting 99% positive reviews from establishment critics means nothing. And at the end of the day its the opinion of cinephiles that matter most--because they represent a larger community than comic geeks and they are the ones who will have the final verdict on a movie a decade or more from now. I fear they will not be kind to most superhero movies of the last few years.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Oct 26, 2017 5:34:16 GMT
So we aren't going to count your hipsters and discount the geeks just because the former supports your point I fear they will not be kind to most superhero movies of the last few years. Well, seems like a dire prognostication indeed, at least we know that the BFI has a spot in its ruthlessly efficient heart for Marvel's The Avengers. www.bfi.org.uk/news-opinion/news-bfi/lists/10-great-comic-book-filmsI quote.
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Post by Skaathar on Oct 26, 2017 5:43:02 GMT
It didn't pass my eye test. And a billion good reviews won't change that. The trailer looks like complete shit. I'd rather die than sit through this CGI hellfest. So in other words you haven't seen it yet and are basing your opinion solely on how the trailer looks?
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Oct 26, 2017 5:46:11 GMT
BFI is establishment media. I meant viewers--like Cinemageddon or Criterion forum. Give it a few years. The Avengers is not even 10 years old.
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Post by Peter B. Parker on Oct 26, 2017 6:36:15 GMT
8 more reviews until it hits certified fresh!!!! This is peak MCU.
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Post by scabab on Oct 26, 2017 11:00:03 GMT
It didn't pass my eye test. And a billion good reviews won't change that. The trailer looks like complete shit. I'd rather die than sit through this CGI hellfest. Aren't they all CGI fests? The movie does have a lot of CGI but then it also has some amazing sets as well.
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Post by deeznutz on Oct 26, 2017 11:43:25 GMT
And Ragnarok will be forgotten in about 2 months like all other Marvel movies. I am more of a Marvel fan than DC but the reality is these movies are churned out on an assembly line then accompanied by massive Pravda-inspired marketing. Wow, another conspiracy theory - and utterly idiotic one at that. lame
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Post by deeznutz on Oct 26, 2017 11:47:34 GMT
It won't last trust me
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Post by DSDSquared on Oct 26, 2017 11:49:25 GMT
Congrats guys and gals. You and MCU have deserved this after the recent string of untypical commercial and critical failures (lets forget about that), or the ongoing hype around Logan and Wonder Woman. Those are the moments of true success and achievement. Party on, party hard. Just be gracious enough not to bully or molest the other forums. Kay? You guys are great! Love Tristan. What MCU failures? Spiderman: Homecoming? No wait, that was a HUGE success. Maybe Guardians of the Galaxy 2? Oh wait, that was a huge success too. Those were the only two other MCU movies this year.
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