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Post by Tristan's Journal on Oct 26, 2017 12:11:24 GMT
Congrats guys and gals. You and MCU have deserved this after the recent string of untypical commercial and critical failures (lets forget about that), or the ongoing hype around Logan and Wonder Woman. Those are the moments of true success and achievement. Party on, party hard. Just be gracious enough not to bully or molest the other forums. Kay? You guys are great! Love Tristan. What MCU failures? Spiderman: Homecoming? No wait, that was a HUGE success. Maybe Guardians of the Galaxy 2? Oh wait, that was a huge success too. Those were the only two other MCU movies this year. lol, really? Why not try reading comprehension before getting sensitive nipples? Was not referring to Raccoon Turd 2 and Ironed Spiderboy 6. So try again, what could have been meant when you put all your fanboy brains and MCU knowledge together? If you find out come back you get a squishy raccoon turd cookie.
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Post by formersamhmd on Oct 26, 2017 12:23:35 GMT
Congrats guys and gals. You and MCU have deserved this after the recent string of untypical commercial and critical failures (lets forget about that), or the ongoing hype around Logan and Wonder Woman. Those are the moments of true success and achievement. Party on, party hard. Just be gracious enough not to bully or molest the other forums. Kay? You guys are great! Love Tristan. What MCU failures? Spiderman: Homecoming? No wait, that was a HUGE success. Maybe Guardians of the Galaxy 2? Oh wait, that was a huge success too. Those were the only two other MCU movies this year. He's talking about Iron Fist (which was disliked for political reasons) and Inhumans (which was going to be disliked because X-Fans hate them). Of course, 1 Netflix series and 1 miniseries not being more than a drop in the bucket for Marvel doesn't seem to occur to these people.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Oct 26, 2017 12:39:19 GMT
What MCU failures? Spiderman: Homecoming? No wait, that was a HUGE success. Maybe Guardians of the Galaxy 2? Oh wait, that was a huge success too. Those were the only two other MCU movies this year. He's talking about Iron Fist (which was disliked for political reasons) and Inhumans (which was going to be disliked because X-Fans hate them). Of course, 1 Netflix series and 1 miniseries not being more than a drop in the bucket for Marvel doesn't seem to occur to these people. you are a goddamn spoil sport, sam! You just cannot bear having me a little fun with the slower MCU fans, eh? And you left "TV-Avengers" out conveniently: Defenders had the lowest viewer ratings on Netflix evah, and only got 74%, 6.4 average rating - which is a death sentence for TV shows. I find that more disturbing that the doomed-from-beginning shows nobody wanted, like Iron Fisting and Inhuman X-Men (though my Fox-Men heart is still laughing with schadenfreude). That's not a drop, that's a famously huge turd in the bucket! But we wanted to forget about that for now, enjoy Thor and regain your MCU powers...
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Post by formersamhmd on Oct 26, 2017 12:53:04 GMT
And you left "TV-Avengers" out conveniently: Defenders had the lowest viewer ratings on Netflix evah, and only got 74%, 6.4 average rating - which is a death sentence for TV shows. I find that more disturbing that the doomed-from-beginning shows nobody wanted, like Iron Fisting and Inhuman X-Men (though my Fox-Men heart is still laughing with schadenfreude). That's not a drop, that's a famously huge turd in the bucket! But we wanted to forget about that for now, enjoy Thor and regain your MCU powers... Defenders was excusable, they marketed the show very poorly. Viewers thought they'd have to watch both seasons of DD, all of LC JJ and IF to understand Defenders. They didn't have to, but the show's lead-up didn't clarify this. So people who didn't want to watch those other shows for whatever reason just didn't tune in. Even then it was one of the most binge-watched Netflix shows anyways.
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Post by miike80 on Oct 26, 2017 13:24:33 GMT
What MCU failures? Spiderman: Homecoming? No wait, that was a HUGE success. Maybe Guardians of the Galaxy 2? Oh wait, that was a huge success too. Those were the only two other MCU movies this year. He's talking about Iron Fist (which was disliked for political reasons) and Inhumans (which was going to be disliked because X-Fans hate them). Of course, 1 Netflix series and 1 miniseries not being more than a drop in the bucket for Marvel doesn't seem to occur to these people. Iron fist is ok, but it's mostly disliked because it's boring, and Inhumans...well, that's just plain bad. The movies are fine, but i'm worried by the drop of quality in Netflix shows, even if Defenders is better than Iron fist and Luke Cage. Still have high hopes for The Punisher
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Post by formersamhmd on Oct 26, 2017 13:33:46 GMT
He's talking about Iron Fist (which was disliked for political reasons) and Inhumans (which was going to be disliked because X-Fans hate them). Of course, 1 Netflix series and 1 miniseries not being more than a drop in the bucket for Marvel doesn't seem to occur to these people. Iron fist is ok, but it's mostly disliked because it's boring, It was always going to have a hard time of it because people were biased against the whole "White Lead" thing. Plus Iron Fist as a character has never been as interesting as character as DD, JJ or LC. Inhumans was the result of absolutely no one involved in production wanting to make it except Ike Perlmutter. Here's hoping this and other scandals get him removed from Marvel Entertainment. As for Netflix, let's wait until the next seasons of the shows come out.
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Post by DSDSquared on Oct 26, 2017 13:34:16 GMT
What MCU failures? Spiderman: Homecoming? No wait, that was a HUGE success. Maybe Guardians of the Galaxy 2? Oh wait, that was a huge success too. Those were the only two other MCU movies this year. lol, really? Why not try reading comprehension before getting sensitive nipples? Was not referring to Raccoon Turd 2 and Ironed Spiderboy 6. So try again, what could have been meant when you put all your fanboy brains and MCU knowledge together? If you find out come back you get a squishy raccoon turd cookie. No. I see you come on here many times and state that Marvel has had a bad year and so forth when every movie they put out is gold critically and financially. Iron Fist and The Defenders are not MCU properties. Nice try though.
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Post by miike80 on Oct 26, 2017 13:36:15 GMT
Iron fist is ok, but it's mostly disliked because it's boring, It was always going to have a hard time of it because people were biased against the whole "White Lead" thing. Plus Iron Fist as a character has never been as interesting as character as DD, JJ or LC. Inhumans was the result of absolutely no one involved in production wanting to make it except Ike Perlmutter. Here's hoping this and other scandals get him removed from Marvel Entertainment. As for Netflix, let's wait until the next seasons of the shows come out. Oh, i always wait for the next Netflix shows, just hope that they don't end up dissapointing
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Oct 26, 2017 13:44:44 GMT
lol, really? Why not try reading comprehension before getting sensitive nipples? Was not referring to Raccoon Turd 2 and Ironed Spiderboy 6. So try again, what could have been meant when you put all your fanboy brains and MCU knowledge together? If you find out come back you get a squishy raccoon turd cookie. No. I see you come on here many times and state that Marvel has had a bad year and so forth when every movie they put out is gold critically and financially. Iron Fist and The Defenders are not MCU properties. Nice try though. are you seriously debating facts with me? Iron Fist, Defenders and Inhumans ARE MCU, it's the MCU shared universe. Look it up or ask you MCU buddies. The ArcArchStanton troll bullied the DC forums for months boasting how lazy it is to have diverse Multiverses instead of one Marvel Universe. That is what you get, bad karma. Oh you got fooled by the name Marvel Cinematic Universe didn't ya, yeah that, ...Marvel seemingly do not know what cinematic means (not TV and comics, Marvel). But then they only sell movies anyway, Animation, Comics, Games and TV is doing badly.
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Post by No Morpho, Only Bánh mì on Oct 26, 2017 13:49:11 GMT
75 reviews and still 99%. Solid.
Edit: and #76 brings it to 97%. Still solid.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Oct 26, 2017 13:50:16 GMT
And you left "TV-Avengers" out conveniently: Defenders had the lowest viewer ratings on Netflix evah, and only got 74%, 6.4 average rating - which is a death sentence for TV shows. I find that more disturbing that the doomed-from-beginning shows nobody wanted, like Iron Fisting and Inhuman X-Men (though my Fox-Men heart is still laughing with schadenfreude). That's not a drop, that's a famously huge turd in the bucket! But we wanted to forget about that for now, enjoy Thor and regain your MCU powers... Defenders was excusable, they marketed the show very poorly. Viewers thought they'd have to watch both seasons of DD, all of LC JJ and IF to understand Defenders. They didn't have to, but the show's lead-up didn't clarify this. So people who didn't want to watch those other shows for whatever reason just didn't tune in. Even then it was one of the most binge-watched Netflix shows anyways.you try to spin and mislead again, sam. No, your own article that you quoted stated that it was the 3rd most binged within 2 weeks of release, but that absolutely seen it was still the least watched so far (even below Ironfist). It's not fair, but what is? Marvel gets mistreated on this front as much as they get artificially boosted with their kiddy movies. You cannot always win.
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Post by formersamhmd on Oct 26, 2017 14:27:33 GMT
Defenders was excusable, they marketed the show very poorly. Viewers thought they'd have to watch both seasons of DD, all of LC JJ and IF to understand Defenders. They didn't have to, but the show's lead-up didn't clarify this. So people who didn't want to watch those other shows for whatever reason just didn't tune in. Even then it was one of the most binge-watched Netflix shows anyways.you try to spin and mislead again, sam. No, your own article that you quoted stated that it was the 3rd most binged within 2 weeks of release, but that absolutely seen it was still the least watched so far (even below Ironfist). It's not fair, but what is? Marvel gets mistreated on this front as much as they get artificially boosted with their kiddy movies. You cannot always win. It's not unfair considering the poor advertising and marketing. But so far they've had 1 poor Miniseries, 1 Netflix show that was always going to have a hard time for political reasons and 1 Netflix miniseries that was poorly marketed but well reviewed....and two of the best CBMs this year, once again trouncing DC and Fox because both of their movies needed artificial boosters to be considered good. MCU's still going strong.
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Post by DSDSquared on Oct 26, 2017 15:53:27 GMT
No. I see you come on here many times and state that Marvel has had a bad year and so forth when every movie they put out is gold critically and financially. Iron Fist and The Defenders are not MCU properties. Nice try though. are you seriously debating facts with me? Iron Fist, Defenders and Inhumans ARE MCU, it's the MCU shared universe. Look it up or ask you MCU buddies. The ArcArchStanton troll bullied the DC forums for months boasting how lazy it is to have diverse Multiverses instead of one Marvel Universe. That is what you get, bad karma. Oh you got fooled by the name Marvel Cinematic Universe didn't ya, yeah that, ...Marvel seemingly do not know what cinematic means (not TV and comics, Marvel). But then they only sell movies anyway, Animation, Comics, Games and TV is doing badly. Man, if only I could go to the top of this very page and see what the name of this very board is. Oh wait, I can. It says Marvel CINEMATIC Universe in the popular film franchises section of this board. Silly me. Iron Fist and The Defenders have nothing to do with the MCU. Notice how I said MCU in my original OP. It is hilarious that you idiot DC fans think Marvel is somehow failing when they have had three movies this year and they are all hits. Thor will probably do better than JL, which is hilarious.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2017 16:00:13 GMT
I thought you had exiled yourself from these boards to avoid spoilers. LOL you couldn’t help yourself.
Why not book a flight to Australia and watch it here. You may even meet a Thor of your very own 😉
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Oct 26, 2017 16:05:05 GMT
are you seriously debating facts with me? Iron Fist, Defenders and Inhumans ARE MCU, it's the MCU shared universe. Look it up or ask you MCU buddies. The ArcArchStanton troll bullied the DC forums for months boasting how lazy it is to have diverse Multiverses instead of one Marvel Universe. That is what you get, bad karma. Oh you got fooled by the name Marvel Cinematic Universe didn't ya, yeah that, ...Marvel seemingly do not know what cinematic means (not TV and comics, Marvel). But then they only sell movies anyway, Animation, Comics, Games and TV is doing badly. Man, if only I could go to the top of this very page and see what the name of this very board is. Oh wait, I can. It says Marvel CINEMATIC Universe in the popular film franchises section of this board. Silly me. Iron Fist and The Defenders have nothing to do with the MCU. Notice how I said MCU in my original OP. It is hilarious that you idiot DC fans think Marvel is somehow failing when they have had three movies this year and they are all hits. Thor will probably do better than JL, which is hilarious. your posts do not make much sense logically. The shows are part of the MCU as intended by Marvel, not my fault that MCU is a misnomer. Shit happens. End of discussion.
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Post by harpospoke on Oct 26, 2017 16:52:02 GMT
So we aren't going to count your hipsters and discount the geeks just because the former supports your point. Make it simple for you-the general public doesn't give a shit about Thor or MCU. There's the paid marketing buzz-and the public response. These days all we have really is the marketing. We really dont even know how accurate these box office returns are. Mojo said it was the worst domestic summer since 1992 or 1982 depending how you read it. In the days of Total Recall or Terminator 2 there was genuine public response because at the very least the films were envelope pushers in FX if nothing else. In fact, I remember Entertainment Tonight asking people what they thought about T2-and someone did say they thought it was too much of a kids movie. Back to specifics--the fact that this film is getting 99% positive reviews from establishment critics means nothing. And at the end of the day its the opinion of cinephiles that matter most--because they represent a larger community than comic geeks and they are the ones who will have the final verdict on a movie a decade or more from now. I fear they will not be kind to most superhero movies of the last few years. Frankly this isn't backed up by anything. "the general public doesn't give a shit about Thor or MCU". That's an opinion. But the box office certainly is not backing you up. Have you seen this page? The MCU section has the most posts by a large margin: imdb2.freeforums.net/board/152/popular-movie-franchises...Like the MCU has almost half the "Poplar movie franchise" total posts. It looks like it has the most posts of any movie related section on this site. Your claim that "the people that agree with me matter most" is pretty convenient for you and is what is known as elitism. As if that group has some sort of "final verdict" that should apply to everyone else. And frankly I think they are a SMALLER group than the geek community. They certainly believe they are important and the world shares their hipster opinions. It's always shocking to them when they find out the world doesn't agree with them. "But but...David Fincher and Paul Thomas Anderson!! Why do people go see James Cameron movies instead??" We live in the era when the geeks are winning. Geek is chic. But everyone does what you are doing. The people who share you opinion on art matter...the people who don't share you opinion on art are discounted. It's what we do because most people need their art opinion to be validated. The RT score doesn't match your perception?...they don't matter now...even though that RT score is going to be there 50 years from now. Casablanca still has a RT score. (97%) Normally the "critics" are the "experts" who decide what is "good" for that very crowd you are praising as being responsible for the "final verdict". Not sure you understand you are talking about the same group of people. The critics are a part of the hipster group. They are typically the people who look down their noses at movies which are popular with the GA. It's "popcorn entertainment" to them...not "real art". So Thor 3 scoring big with a group of people who are predisposed to dislike it is more than a little impressive. The summer box office being down is an unrelated subject. You were trying something there but no idea what it could be. Obviously the MCU movies were some of the bright spots at the box office this year. I wish more people loved War for the Planet of the Apes and Blade Runner.
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Post by harpospoke on Oct 26, 2017 16:55:33 GMT
What MCU failures? Spiderman: Homecoming? No wait, that was a HUGE success. Maybe Guardians of the Galaxy 2? Oh wait, that was a huge success too. Those were the only two other MCU movies this year. He's talking about Iron Fist (which was disliked for political reasons) and Inhumans (which was going to be disliked because X-Fans hate them). Of course, 1 Netflix series and 1 miniseries not being more than a drop in the bucket for Marvel doesn't seem to occur to these people. Oh that's what he meant. I was wondering what this "failure" was. That's reaching for something to paint as a "failure". It's like being in a car with 5 super models and focusing attention on the fat balding driver when you talk about it later.
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Oct 26, 2017 17:13:06 GMT
Frankly this isn't backed up by anything. "the general public doesn't give a shit about Thor or MCU". That's an opinion. But the box office certainly is not backing you up. Have you seen this page? The MCU section has the most posts by a large margin: I dont know how many of those posters are paid or sock puppets or merely represent the superhero geek community--but that is irrelevant--if you remove the marketing there isn't much legs to any of these films. It simply is not the same audience relationship as it was in 1990 when mass marketing was in its infancy. And as I said, give it a few years. The critics are saying these are the greatest films evah. Let's see how that holds up in 5 or 10 years. Even with the glowing reviews, little bits of truth creep out like "the villains don't do much" or "it feels familiar." And geeks aren't winning. The studio executives are geeks and have very narrow tastes. Not to mention, most of the comic book faithful are over 40. Younger people dont read comics--not like it was in the 60s or 70s. The studios want franchises and to get a foothold in Asia. And build theme parks in Dubai. The films themselves are just ads.
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Oct 26, 2017 17:19:14 GMT
Frankly this isn't backed up by anything. "the general public doesn't give a shit about Thor or MCU". That's an opinion. But the box office certainly is not backing you up. Have you seen this page? The MCU section has the most posts by a large margin: I dont know how many of those posters are paid or sock puppets or merely represent the superhero geek community--but that is irrelevant--if you remove the marketing there isn't much legs to any of these films. It simply is not the same audience relationship as it was in 1990 when mass marketing was in its infancy. And as I said, give it a few years. The critics are saying these are the greatest films evah. Let's see how that holds up in 5 or 10 years. Even with the glowing reviews, little bits of truth creep out like "the villains don't do much" or "it feels familiar." And geeks aren't winning. The studio executives are geeks and have very narrow tastes. Not to mention, most of the comic book faithful are over 40. Younger people dont read comics--not like it was in the 60s or 70s. The studios want franchises and to get a foothold in Asia. And build theme parks in Dubai. The films themselves are just ads. You think mass marketing was in it's infancy in the 1990's? You're hilarious.
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Post by harpospoke on Oct 26, 2017 17:21:07 GMT
Frankly this isn't backed up by anything. "the general public doesn't give a shit about Thor or MCU". That's an opinion. But the box office certainly is not backing you up. Have you seen this page? The MCU section has the most posts by a large margin: I dont know how many of those posters are paid or sock puppets or merely represent the superhero geek community--but that is irrelevant--if you remove the marketing there isn't much legs to any of these films. It simply is not the same audience relationship as it was in 1990 when mass marketing was in its infancy. And as I said, give it a few years. The critics are saying these are the greatest films evah. Let's see how that holds up in 5 or 10 years. Even with the glowing reviews, little bits of truth creep out like "the villains don't do much" or "it feels familiar." There is another common trick. "The people who don't agree with me have an agenda or are fake" The MCU board is the most popular board? Well...that must be a trick because your reality does not allow that possibility. So if you remove the marketing, the public won't know about a movie? No kidding! Again...how to you think people knew Gone with the Wind, The Exorcist, and Star Wars were coming out? I see another trick: " The critics are saying these are the greatest films evah" You exaggerate what they are saying so you can later point out "they aren't saying that any more!" Well nice try but they aren't saying that now either. Interesting how you see "truth" in what critics say when you agree with them...but of course they are part of the "establishment" when you don't agree. What a nice coincidence for you, eh?
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