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Post by Lord Death Man on Oct 26, 2017 5:25:58 GMT
Formula or signature? Lord Death Man says, choose.
“I think it’s just the way we make the movies. I think all the movies are relatively different. I think there’s a narrative that people like to write about because they’re all produced by the same team and they all inhabit the same fictional cinematic universe. That we look for common similarities. And I’m not saying there aren’t common similarities throughout it, but I think Thor: Ragnarok and Spider-Man: Homecoming are two totally different types of movies. They’re both fun. People both enjoy them. Is that a similarity? If so, I’ll take it. If that’s a criticism, I’ll take that, too. But really, yeah, Homecoming, Ragnarok, Panther, into Infinity War, Ant-Man and the Wasp after that. And a ’90s-set Captain Marvel after that; these are six very different movies. If what they have in common is they’re all really enjoyable and fun to watch, then I’ll take it.”
Hee hee hee...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2017 5:45:28 GMT
Well said. I think its very telling that the people working in the MCU tend to be very well-spoken and likeable sorts.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Oct 26, 2017 5:59:21 GMT
Well said. I think its very telling that the people working in the MCU tend to be very well-spoken and likeable sorts. So true but, let's not start celebrating too soon. Here is what Taika Waititi had to say about Kevin Feige's brutal dictatorship and suffocating leadership style. I would like to come back and work with Marvel any time, because I think they're a fantastic studio, and we had a great time working together. And they were very supportive of me, and my vision. They kind of gave me a lot of free reign, but also had a lot of ideas as well. A very collaborative company. I'd love to do another Thor film, because I feel like I've established a really great thing with these guys, and friendship.
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Post by darkpast on Oct 26, 2017 6:02:25 GMT
it would be nice if Marvel experimented outside their formula, its ok to fail
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Post by Lord Death Man on Oct 26, 2017 6:05:09 GMT
it would be nice if Marvel experimented outside their formula, its ok to fail It's true. These days it's even okay for studios to fail profoundly and repeatedly. |
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Oct 26, 2017 6:09:04 GMT
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Post by Lord Death Man on Oct 26, 2017 7:01:51 GMT
Dude, don't cry. Hee hee hee... |
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Oct 26, 2017 10:42:03 GMT
This article was posted on the marvel studios subreddit and I found a interesting comment:
"I just want Disney can stop pandering to the masses. Make some serious films with profound storytelling, instead of the usual humor infested films. Yeah, I get it, Disney wants it to appeal to all ages. It makes it gain more money, but the films are not taken very seriously, and the films are above average at best.
How about they stop cramming three films in one year and tone it down to one or two, tops. That way, the studio can put more focus and effort into a particular movie. Longer pre-production and longer editing phase instead of having to put constraints on in order to coincide with the release of another.
I’m not asking for super seriousness like The Dark Knight, unless a character is known for that. I’m not asking for massive bleakness and melancholy like Logan, unless the situation or character calls for it. But the usage of humor and borderline comedy just so the movie can have more appeal, is getting old.
Disney, stop being greedy. Is it the end of the world to make smaller, more contained films that are serious and may make like $500 million worldwide? If you actually took things seriously and made very character driven movies with profound storytelling, you would probably attract more high end directors like David Fincher, EDGAR WRIGHT, or maybe even someone like Denis Villenueve.
The only reason very popular and very talented directors don’t do these films is because they don’t like the studio constraints. And they know the studio doesn’t really care about making serious films, only mindless popcorn movies. Decent films, one or two being good, but nothing that could be considered for Oscars if it were to come down to that.
And now I wait for the downvotes for simply expressing my opinion."
And boy was he downvoted lol.
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Post by scabab on Oct 26, 2017 11:09:24 GMT
I do think these movies are generally quite different, Captain America Winter Soldier wasn't anything at all like Guardians of the Galaxy which is nothing like Doctor Strange etc. Considering they are all supposed to exist in the same universe then the tone needs to be somewhat similar.
You couldn't really have a dark, serious and realistic kind of Marvel movie like The Dark Knight when that character could end up running into a talking raccoon and his tree best friend.
You do have the Netflix shows though, Daredevil is very different from the movies. They could probably make a Blade or Ghost Rider movie like that if he was kept contained but Marvel don't really want to do that.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2017 14:33:58 GMT
I think they're relatively formulaic. I don't necessarily feel like I'm watching the same movie over and over again, but I do feel like the movies are painfully similar.
They look the same (cinematography-wise). They have the same generic scores (other than the Avengers movies). And they're all stuffed to the rafters with the same quips.
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Post by formersamhmd on Oct 26, 2017 14:37:37 GMT
I think they're relatively formulaic. Ah yes, this everpresent "formula" no one can ever really define. Except "successful". And no, you can't say "weak villains" or "heroes who make jokes" because that can apply to plenty of movies. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2017 14:45:03 GMT
I think they're relatively formulaic. Ah yes, this everpresent "formula" no one can ever really define. Except "successful". And no, you can't say "weak villains" or "heroes who make jokes" because that can apply to plenty of movies. It's been defined over and over again. You just get butthurt and pretend like it hasn't been every time someone brings it up. |
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Post by formersamhmd on Oct 26, 2017 14:46:43 GMT
Ah yes, this everpresent "formula" no one can ever really define. Except "successful". And no, you can't say "weak villains" or "heroes who make jokes" because that can apply to plenty of movies. It's been defined over and over again. You just get butthurt and pretend like it hasn't been every time someone brings it up. Actually, no. The formula has been mentioned over and over again, with no one ever able to give a proper definition beyond broad stuff that can apply to any movie. Ah yes, there's also "no stakes" because they refuse to kill off the entire cast and end the world every movie. |
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Post by scabab on Oct 26, 2017 14:55:16 GMT
The Guardians of the Galaxy movies and Thor Ragnarok didn't have generic scores.
Thor Ragnarok actually reminded me of Flash Gordon with its 80's sounding score or that Far Cry Blood Dragon game.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2017 14:58:57 GMT
The Guardians of the Galaxy movies and Thor Ragnarok didn't have generic scores. Thor Ragnarok actually reminded me of Flash Gordon with its 80's sounding score or that Far Cry Blood Dragon game. Yeah. Every once in a while, a Marvel movie tries something different. But 80% of the movies are too similar for my tastes. They all look and sound like TV movies. |
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Oct 26, 2017 14:59:39 GMT
I think they're relatively formulaic.Except "successful". I just did a few posts above with some further sources and articles, sam. Read it so you understand the concept of formula in dramatic storytelling. And success is not a part of formula (rather a consequence), and not a given with MCU either considering some MCU shows and negative records. That is a misconception sam. Yes you can, when parts of your formula are part of the formula of other franchises too this does not preclude it from being a formula element. In the end, MCU formula consists of elements that where there long before, not even post credit scenes were new (used by Fox Men and before). |
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Post by Lord Death Man on Oct 26, 2017 15:20:44 GMT
I think they're relatively formulaic. I don't necessarily feel like I'm watching the same movie over and over again, but I do feel like the movies are painfully similar. They look the same (cinematography-wise). They have the same generic scores (other than the Avengers movies). And they're all stuffed to the rafters with the same quips. One man's painfully similar is another man's pleasantly familiar. Hee hee hee... |
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Post by formersamhmd on Oct 26, 2017 16:01:54 GMT
]I just did a few posts above with some further sources and articles, sam. And they all failed to define it beyond broad strokes. One Netflix show and 2 miniseries, one of which was reviewed well. Try harder. Then it's not exclusive to Marvel. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2017 17:26:14 GMT
This article was posted on the marvel studios subreddit and I found a interesting comment: "I just want Disney can stop pandering to the masses. Make some serious films with profound storytelling, instead of the usual humor infested films. Yeah, I get it, Disney wants it to appeal to all ages. It makes it gain more money, but the films are not taken very seriously, and the films are above average at best. How about they stop cramming three films in one year and tone it down to one or two, tops. That way, the studio can put more focus and effort into a particular movie. Longer pre-production and longer editing phase instead of having to put constraints on in order to coincide with the release of another. I’m not asking for super seriousness like The Dark Knight, unless a character is known for that. I’m not asking for massive bleakness and melancholy like Logan, unless the situation or character calls for it. But the usage of humor and borderline comedy just so the movie can have more appeal, is getting old. Disney, stop being greedy. Is it the end of the world to make smaller, more contained films that are serious and may make like $500 million worldwide? If you actually took things seriously and made very character driven movies with profound storytelling, you would probably attract more high end directors like David Fincher, EDGAR WRIGHT, or maybe even someone like Denis Villenueve. The only reason very popular and very talented directors don’t do these films is because they don’t like the studio constraints. And they know the studio doesn’t really care about making serious films, only mindless popcorn movies. Decent films, one or two being good, but nothing that could be considered for Oscars if it were to come down to that. And now I wait for the downvotes for simply expressing my opinion." And boy was he downvoted lol. So basically, he wants these movie to be all the same, completely devoid of anything resembling fun, and heaven forbid enjoyable. This guy you quotes sounds like a total loser. |
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Oct 26, 2017 18:56:14 GMT
This article was posted on the marvel studios subreddit and I found a interesting comment: "I just want Disney can stop pandering to the masses. Make some serious films with profound storytelling, instead of the usual humor infested films. Yeah, I get it, Disney wants it to appeal to all ages. It makes it gain more money, but the films are not taken very seriously, and the films are above average at best. How about they stop cramming three films in one year and tone it down to one or two, tops. That way, the studio can put more focus and effort into a particular movie. Longer pre-production and longer editing phase instead of having to put constraints on in order to coincide with the release of another. I’m not asking for super seriousness like The Dark Knight, unless a character is known for that. I’m not asking for massive bleakness and melancholy like Logan, unless the situation or character calls for it. But the usage of humor and borderline comedy just so the movie can have more appeal, is getting old. Disney, stop being greedy. Is it the end of the world to make smaller, more contained films that are serious and may make like $500 million worldwide? If you actually took things seriously and made very character driven movies with profound storytelling, you would probably attract more high end directors like David Fincher, EDGAR WRIGHT, or maybe even someone like Denis Villenueve. The only reason very popular and very talented directors don’t do these films is because they don’t like the studio constraints. And they know the studio doesn’t really care about making serious films, only mindless popcorn movies. Decent films, one or two being good, but nothing that could be considered for Oscars if it were to come down to that. And now I wait for the downvotes for simply expressing my opinion." And boy was he downvoted lol. So basically, he wants these movie to be all the same, completely devoid of anything resembling fun, and heaven forbid enjoyable. This guy you quotes sounds like a total loser. He wants Marvel to experiment with a more serious film, something like Logan. He's right that the films are playing it too safe with a focus on films for the entire family. He wants Marvel to branch out and experiment with R rated films or more darker, less jokey, movies. They don't have to completely stop making family friendly movies, but it wouldn't hurt to experiment with a more darker and more serious film. Imagine a Punisher movie, with a R rating, made under Marvel Studios? That would be awesome! Also I like how you call him a loser, just because he wants Marvel Studios to experiment more. |
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