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Post by Tristan's Journal on Oct 29, 2017 18:21:47 GMT
Nopey-dopey Clark. This is a "fallacy fallacy" and a "straw man" (look it up). Also, not everybody is biased (false absolute and generalization), he wished to indicate that he tries to be fair. You would have had more credibility without mentioning this. Facepalm indeed, Clark. NO you can't, you should maybe watch movie outside your MCU bubble, some do have intricacy, subtext and themes. Also, the criticism of low-on-substance and thin plot is prevalent in many positive reviews. Instead of lazy generalizations you should debunk this by working out why you think this film is deep and has a complex plot - might be a laugh riot.  Opinions...But you're all right Clark, at least you try.  But when I click on charzhino's name & peruse his post history, he strongly seems to fall into the X-Men fans who seem to dislike MCU. Which suggests bias. maybe so, but as indicated we did not discuss charzhino personal history but discussed the abstract question whether everybody is per se biased. That claim is evidently absurd and silly if you understand the term correctly (see my other posts in this regard defining the term). And not every X-Men fan is biased against MCU, many are fans of both. That being said, I agree that it is only plausible that many X-Men fans must bear ill feelings towards MCU fans, as too many of the latter infamously bully and terrorize not just the competition like DC, but even more so the "Fox-Men" (or others) in an desperate and futile effort to claw back the IP. Just look at the X-Men board being under constant defamation attack. (just look at the poster above to see a negative example of dimwitted fanboy bullying) And in view of that very situation, the OP-er prefaced his review with "unbiased" meaning that he tries to be fair as fair as possible despite the mentioned MCU fanboy transgressions. |
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Post by charzhino on Oct 29, 2017 18:50:43 GMT
And people wonder why I hate DCEU and FoX-Men fans? Both factions are so pathetic. They can't live with the fact that the MCU is beating their garbage to the curb. Not even Wonder Woman could outdo Guardians V2 or Homecoming. I just posted a negative review for Thor Ragnarok and you are spitting your dummy out saying people like me are pathetic. Can you not handle any MCU criticism? I wasnt even aggressive or deliberately inciting hatred against the MCU, in fact I gave a list of positives and also said Gotg 2 was a much better film with Thor TDW also being better (a film even MCU fans kick to the curb). And no, in my eyes x-men films are much better than the generic, fan servicing films MCU produces most of the time. Films like Ragnarok are prime reason number one I never want X-Men in the hands of Disney. |
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Post by poelzig on Oct 29, 2017 19:04:14 GMT
And people wonder why I hate DCEU and FoX-Men fans? Both factions are so pathetic. They can't live with the fact that the MCU is beating their garbage to the curb. Not even Wonder Woman could outdo Guardians V2 or Homecoming. I don't think demeaning 2 fanbases simply for having a different opinion is very nice of raptor. Insulting people is a forbidden now, right? |
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Post by justanaveragejoe on Oct 29, 2017 19:37:28 GMT
And people wonder why I hate DCEU and FoX-Men fans? Both factions are so pathetic. They can't live with the fact that the MCU is beating their garbage to the curb. Not even Wonder Woman could outdo Guardians V2 or Homecoming. I just posted a negative review for Thor Ragnarok and you are spitting your dummy out saying people like me are pathetic. Can you not handle any MCU criticism? I wasnt even aggressive or deliberately inciting hatred against the MCU, in fact I gave a list of positives and also said Gotg 2 was a much better film with Thor TDW also being better (a film even MCU fans kick to the curb). And no, in my eyes x-men films are much better than the generic, fan servicing films MCU produces most of the time. Films like Ragnarok are prime reason number one I never want X-Men in the hands of Disney. Why? Sony and Marvel paired up to make Spider-Man: Homecoming after the failure of The Amazing Spider-Man 2, and look at it, Marvel fixed the problems the last 3 Sony Spider-Man movies, and it's one of the best reviewed blockbusters of this year. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2017 19:48:01 GMT
Is there less or more humor than TDW?
P.S Use spoiler tags next time.
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Post by formersamhmd on Oct 29, 2017 20:39:12 GMT
And people wonder why I hate DCEU and FoX-Men fans? Both factions are so pathetic. They can't live with the fact that the MCU is beating their garbage to the curb. Not even Wonder Woman could outdo Guardians V2 or Homecoming. I just posted a negative review for Thor Ragnarok and you are spitting your dummy out saying people like me are pathetic. Can you not handle any MCU criticism? I wasnt even aggressive or deliberately inciting hatred against the MCU, in fact I gave a list of positives and also said Gotg 2 was a much better film with Thor TDW also being better (a film even MCU fans kick to the curb). And no, in my eyes x-men films are much better than the generic, fan servicing films MCU produces most of the time. Films like Ragnarok are prime reason number one I never want X-Men in the hands of Disney. Yeah, they'd probably have the balls to blow up the Mansion for good, kill off Xavier and Magneto and move beyond the "Poor oppressed mutants" plot. And FoX-Men fans just can't stomach that. |
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Oct 29, 2017 22:26:33 GMT
I just posted a negative review for Thor Ragnarok and you are spitting your dummy out saying people like me are pathetic. Can you not handle any MCU criticism? I wasnt even aggressive or deliberately inciting hatred against the MCU, in fact I gave a list of positives and also said Gotg 2 was a much better film with Thor TDW also being better (a film even MCU fans kick to the curb). And no, in my eyes x-men films are much better than the generic, fan servicing films MCU produces most of the time. Films like Ragnarok are prime reason number one I never want X-Men in the hands of Disney. Yeah, they'd probably have the balls to blow up the Mansion for good, kill off Xavier and Magneto and move beyond the "Poor oppressed mutants" plot.And FoX-Men fans just can't stomach that.  that may be true. We would likely get an insipid PG-13 re-regurgitation like with Spiderboy 6: - leaderless X-Men meet Ironman & Buds and want to become Avengers. - Wolverine will get an yellow IronWolf Suite from Tony Stark with a quipping gay computer voice - He will lose his Wolfsense and Claws for some Ironfists and will be mentored by Iron Man's fat Assistent HORRIBLE TRASH! Fox if you ever sell, please please sell the rights to DC/WB, they could handle them better. |
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Post by scabab on Oct 29, 2017 23:15:13 GMT
Man I can't leave you guys alone for a minute can I? @weirdraptor This place isn't a hive mind, if people don't like these movies it doesn't matter, let them have their opinion in peace. You can't hate the other fanbases because they don't like the Marvel movies and then go and spread your hatred for the non Marvel movies, you're doing the same thing in reverse. You also really shouldn't be calling poelzig a subhuman neanderthal (...well really for anything) or bring up past arguments because he pointed out you insulting others. You tag me when he does the same. Edit: And by the way, I can't ban people. It's the Admin who has that ability. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2017 0:06:14 GMT
Man I can't leave you guys alone for a minute can I? @weirdraptor This place isn't a hive mind, if people don't like these movies it doesn't matter, let them have their opinion in peace. You can't hate the other fanbases because they don't like the Marvel movies and then go and spread your hatred for the non Marvel movies, you're doing the same thing in reverse. You also really shouldn't be calling poelzig a subhuman neanderthal (...well really for anything) or bring up past arguments because he pointed out you insulting others. You tag me when he does the same. Edit: And by the way, I can't ban people. It's the Admin who has that ability. I hate the other fanbases because of the way they treat us MCU fans. And I don't believe for a minute that charzhino has actually seen the film. He hates the MCU way too much to bother actually sitting down and watching it. He just wants to rain on our parade, like he always does. Anytime there's a chance to belittle us and the things we like, he takes it. You're right about poelzig, though, I should have left him alone. I know, that's why I kept saying you should convince the Admin to ban people. |
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Post by formersamhmd on Oct 30, 2017 3:07:39 GMT
that may be true. We would likely get an insipid PG-13 Like all the X-Films thus far. Thus, actually making progress with the Mutant Right plot, as opposed to Xavier's incompetence. |
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Post by merh on Oct 30, 2017 3:16:12 GMT
But when I click on charzhino's name & peruse his post history, he strongly seems to fall into the X-Men fans who seem to dislike MCU. Which suggests bias. maybe so, but as indicated we did not discuss charzhino personal history but discussed the abstract question whether everybody is per se biased. That claim is evidently absurd and silly if you understand the term correctly (see my other posts in this regard defining the term). And not every X-Men fan is biased against MCU, many are fans of both. That being said, I agree that it is only plausible that many X-Men fans must bear ill feelings towards MCU fans, as too many of the latter infamously bully and terrorize not just the competition like DC, but even more so the "Fox-Men" (or others) in an desperate and futile effort to claw back the IP. Just look at the X-Men board being under constant defamation attack. (just look at the poster above to see a negative example of dimwitted fanboy bullying) And in view of that very situation, the OP-er prefaced his review with "unbiased" meaning that he tries to be fair as fair as possible despite the mentioned MCU fanboy transgressions. When I was buying comics, the shop owner was always pushing me to buy X-Men because they were "valuable". I bought some but it never really interested me. Thor. Captain America. Defenders. Doctor Strange. Last. Ghost Rider. 4 Spiderman titles. Anything Creeper or Specter were in. I didn't care for Wolverine. I liked Angel. That was it. What the? I hate autocorrect. Last? Kazar |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2017 3:19:20 GMT
maybe so, but as indicated we did not discuss charzhino personal history but discussed the abstract question whether everybody is per se biased. That claim is evidently absurd and silly if you understand the term correctly (see my other posts in this regard defining the term). And not every X-Men fan is biased against MCU, many are fans of both. That being said, I agree that it is only plausible that many X-Men fans must bear ill feelings towards MCU fans, as too many of the latter infamously bully and terrorize not just the competition like DC, but even more so the "Fox-Men" (or others) in an desperate and futile effort to claw back the IP. Just look at the X-Men board being under constant defamation attack. (just look at the poster above to see a negative example of dimwitted fanboy bullying) And in view of that very situation, the OP-er prefaced his review with "unbiased" meaning that he tries to be fair as fair as possible despite the mentioned MCU fanboy transgressions. When I was buying comics, the shop owner was always pushing me to buy X-Men because they were "valuable". I bought some but it never really interested me. Thor. Captain America. Defenders. Doctor Strange. Last. Ghost Rider. 4 Spiderman titles. Anything Creeper or Specter were in. I didn't care for Wolverine. I liked Angel. That was it. Hey, so do I! High five! Unfortunately, no one working on the films gives a damn about him. |
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Post by formersamhmd on Oct 30, 2017 3:35:02 GMT
No one on these movies ever cared about the original X-Men except Xavier.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2017 3:36:49 GMT
No one on these movies ever cared about the original X-Men except Xavier. And you'd think they would take the hint that a film based on the first run of the X-Men could work after X-men: Evolution worked out pretty well. |
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Post by merh on Oct 30, 2017 5:10:20 GMT
When I was buying comics, the shop owner was always pushing me to buy X-Men because they were "valuable". I bought some but it never really interested me. Thor. Captain America. Defenders. Doctor Strange. Last. Ghost Rider. 4 Spiderman titles. Anything Creeper or Specter were in. I didn't care for Wolverine. I liked Angel. That was it. Hey, so do I! High five! Unfortunately, no one working on the films gives a damn about him. Back at the time they did the archangel thing to him, one of the Marvel guys I read in an interview said Angel was boring & needed an upgrade. Yet the Legion had a winged hero they seemed to do just fine with It was part of my bitch about the X-Men seeming more focused on power. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2017 5:14:44 GMT
Hey, so do I! High five! Unfortunately, no one working on the films gives a damn about him. Back at the time they did the archangel thing to him, one of the Marvel guys I read in an interview said Angel was boring & needed an upgrade. Yet the Legion had a winged hero they seemed to do just fine with It was part of my bitch about the X-Men seeming more focused on power. That, and they're only ensemble films in theory. In practice, they're always just about the same handful of Mutants and everyone else is given about the same depth as Wedge from the original Star Wars trilogy. Vision, in his limited screentime in Age of Ultron, got more character development and nuance than Cyclops has in 5 films. |
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Post by merh on Oct 30, 2017 5:40:01 GMT
Back at the time they did the archangel thing to him, one of the Marvel guys I read in an interview said Angel was boring & needed an upgrade. Yet the Legion had a winged hero they seemed to do just fine with It was part of my bitch about the X-Men seeming more focused on power. That, and they're only ensemble films in theory. In practice, they're always just about the same handful of Mutants and everyone else is given about the same depth as Wedge from the original Star Wars trilogy. Vision, in his limited screentime in Age of Ultron, got more character development and nuance than Cyclops has in 5 films. And what was it with everyone chasing Marvel Girl? Poor Cyclops. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2017 5:46:30 GMT
That, and they're only ensemble films in theory. In practice, they're always just about the same handful of Mutants and everyone else is given about the same depth as Wedge from the original Star Wars trilogy. Vision, in his limited screentime in Age of Ultron, got more character development and nuance than Cyclops has in 5 films. And what was it with everyone chasing Marvel Girl? Poor Cyclops. No kidding. Has anyone ever really liked the Wolverine/Jean/Scott love triangle? The impression I get from other people is that its either just tolerated or viewed as an annoyance. |
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Oct 30, 2017 6:45:47 GMT
Yeah, love triangles are always popular. This one went only for 2 movies anyway, and it's Shakespeare compared to squishy MCU raccoon turd like:  I cannot have Babies- I feel like a monster. Please hide your zucchini in me Hulk. Hulks now hides in elsewhere anyway already, lollollol. Did MCU create a penis? Anyway no reason to get sensitive nipple about it, to each their own. |
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Post by charzhino on Oct 30, 2017 10:10:40 GMT
Yeah, they'd probably have the balls to blow up the Mansion for good, kill off Xavier and Magneto and move beyond the "Poor oppressed mutants" plot. And FoX-Men fans just can't stomach that. Maybe so but I wouldn't trade that because of the dumbing down of the property that Marvel would inevitably do. |
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I cannot have Babies- I feel like a monster. Please hide your zucchini in me Hulk.