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Post by charzhino on Oct 28, 2017 7:48:37 GMT
My unbiased review from last nights screening. Overrated film. The critics calling it the best MCU movie is again the kind of hyperbole that happens every time a new MCU movie comes out. I went into the film having quite enjoyed GotG 2.0 and mildly liking Homecoming. And these 2 entries are better than Ragnarok. Its a shame because there's a lot of cool stuff in the film. The positives (spoilers):
CGI looks great The fight choreography is probably the best I've ever seen in the MCU (correct use of slow mo, no shaky cam) Hulk v Thor scene is worth the admission price alone Grandmaster played by Jeff Goldblum was genuinely hilarious Its world building is very believable and faithful to source material
But other than all these stylistic fanfares, unfortunately theres not much substance to the film. Towards the final fight Im thinking, whats the actual plot? Its bare thin. Thor gets stranded on a planet that he has to escape to return to Asguard and defeat supervillain. Thats it, no intricacy, no subtext no themes. Thor 2 TDW is a better film because its script is much better and developed. TDW also uses Loki a lot more effectively and is still Tom Hiddlestones best performance in the MCU.
And now the jokes (MCU snowflakes can stop reading now). There are too many jokes in this film. Its like they couldnt go 10 minutes without throwing in some kind of humor and majority of these gags fell flat and were cringey. How many comic relief characters does a film need? Its probably on par with GotG 1 comedic levels. The worst part is, once again with Marvel, the jokes were coming in during serious scenes. Examples, Thor trying to convince Valkriy to join him and fight for Asguard. Then throws the ball against window which bounces back and knocks him over. Really? Another during the final fight, Banner jumps out the ship in whats supposed to be a intense revelatory moment to turn into the Hulk and fight the intimidating wolf. But nope, he falls onto the bridge in a silly effort to suck more laughs from the audience and ruining the momentum (this part didnt get many laughs). Valkiry falling off her spaceship during her introduction because she was drunk - and this side story goes nowhere. And theres many other examples throughout the runtime of Ragnarok.
Towards the end they try to fit in some emotional uprising scene between Thor and Odin but it just fails because they haven't earnt it. And why doesnt Thor mourn for his Warriors 3 friends who were slayed by Hella? In the first 2 films they are seen to be very close. As for Hella, shes basically a clone of Malketh but with more lines.
Final rating is 5/10. Homecoming is better. Gotg 2.0 is much better. Thor 2 TDW is still the best Thor movie. Logan will remain easily the best FILM in the comic book genre this year as Justice League looks it could be hit and miss.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2017 9:11:01 GMT
Right from the get-go this is a fallacy. Everyone is biased. You would have more credibility without mentioning this.
You can summarise any movie like this. Facepalm...
Loki is equally good in this film. It continued his character development successfully.
As for the jokes, I have to disagree. There was a good amount, not too much. Only a couple didnt land for me ie the one you mentioned where Valkyrie appears for the first time and falls out of her spaceship after knocking back a bottle.
It didnt fail for me. We've seen the relationship between Thor and his father in the previous movies. Yes Hela is a bit one-dimensional but how is she a clone of Malekith exactly?
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Oct 28, 2017 9:57:20 GMT
Right from the get-go this is a fallacy. Everyone is biased. You would have more credibility without mentioning this. Nopey-dopey Clark. This is a "fallacy fallacy" and a "straw man" (look it up). Also, not everybody is biased (false absolute and generalization), he wished to indicate that he tries to be fair. You would have had more credibility without mentioning this. Facepalm indeed, Clark. NO you can't, you should maybe watch movie outside your MCU bubble, some do have intricacy, subtext and themes. Also, the criticism of low-on-substance and thin plot is prevalent in many positive reviews. Instead of lazy generalizations you should debunk this by working out why you think this film is deep and has a complex plot - might be a laugh riot. Opinions...But you're all right Clark, at least you try.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2017 10:30:36 GMT
Nopey-dopey Clark? Really? That the best you can come up with? Yes everyone is biased, some more than others. You know why everyone is biased? As everyone has different preferences and that would show in the arguments people present. I suggest you look up the word 'bias' in a dictionary in order to get a better understanding of its meaning. No one is truly objective when it comes to film or to a larger extent, art. Facepalm indeed? You really like using my own lines against me. That's twice now in the same post. What's the matter? Cant come up with your own sentences? Too difficult? I don't think anyone exclusively watches MCU films...Anyway I was talking more about "Thor gets stranded on a planet that he has to escape to return to Asguard and defeat supervillain." A lot of movies have themes and subtext if you really want to deconstruct it. Thor Ragnarok is no different. Just give it time, there's a thing called the internet...Also a movie being 'deep' depends on how the viewer chooses to see it. Some directors even leave things open to interpretation. There are no absolutes in film/art when it comes to interpretations.
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Post by formersamhmd on Oct 28, 2017 10:48:59 GMT
But other than all these stylistic fanfares, unfortunately theres not much substance to the film. Towards the final fight Im thinking, whats the actual plot? Its bare thin. "Humans doing something bad for Mutants, mutants react" is what you can break every FoX-Men plot down to, if you want to be like that. He probably doesn't realize they're dead until after the end when he goes to count the survivors.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Oct 28, 2017 11:23:21 GMT
Nopey-dopey Clark? Really? That the best you can come up with? Negative, I named a lot of fallacies on your side that you neglected to mention. But I see a pattern of first attacking on a non substance level before engaging in argumentation. Wrong Clark. The law and common sense disagree with you. E contrario, you bring an ad absurdum argument: if everybody is biased why would the word unbiased even exist, under law, codes and in life? Everybody got preference but that does not exclude to review and evaluate facts on an objective level. Only a sithhead deals in absolutes Clark. Btw, "bias" has many definitions, put in their core they all entail some negative exposure, e.g.,: - "a particular tendency, trend, inclination, feeling, or opinion, especially one that is preconceived or unreasoned" - unreasonably hostile feelings or opinions about a subject; prejudice. QED It a rhetorical means to show you how your own bad arguments can bite you in the ass, Clark. It worked fine except that you seem to suffer from sensitive nipples more than butthurt. Why ask me? Check my posting history and try to form your own unbiased opinion on that. One would sincerely hope so anyway, some's output suggests otherwise. Words, smooth and easy, but again: form over substance as the OP criticized and thus only confirming his point. There, let me help you: Only the shallow will find that deep. In the end, the turd always floats at the shallow end of the pool. Always a pleasure talking to you, Clark.
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Post by formersamhmd on Oct 28, 2017 11:29:10 GMT
Funny thing being that you keep ignoring stuff like Drax musing on the nature of real beauty while eating up slop like "Love will save the world"...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2017 11:29:14 GMT
Of course. I rate it higher, maybe a seven, because I did watch it twice. But the weaknesses are just as glaring as the highs.
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Post by scabab on Oct 28, 2017 11:38:42 GMT
It's definitely not the best MCU movie but it's in the better half of them easily.
It's plot wasn't exactly great or anything but it was a fun and entertaining movie. Colourful, funny, action packed, good score etc.
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Post by charzhino on Oct 28, 2017 11:45:03 GMT
Funny thing being that you keep ignoring stuff like Drax musing on the nature of real beauty while eating up slop like "Love will save the world"... Well i did say I much preferred GotG 2.0 because there was actual character in that movie including Draxs subplot. Here, theres nothing, the characters are either qiupping, fighting or joking. No one has a character arc. And are you going to criticize Loki trying to betray Thor again like you do with magneto?
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Post by formersamhmd on Oct 28, 2017 11:50:33 GMT
Funny thing being that you keep ignoring stuff like Drax musing on the nature of real beauty while eating up slop like "Love will save the world"... Well i did say I much preferred GotG 2.0 because there was actual character in that movie including Draxs subplot. Here, theres nothing, the characters are either qiupping, fighting or joking. No one has a character arc. And are you going to criticize Loki trying to betray Thor again like you do with magneto? At least here Thor knew it would happen and beat Loki to the punch. Xavier never takes precautions against Magneto when he really should know better. [/quote] As for lack of character arcs, I'll do a deeper analysis once I see the film next week.
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Post by charzhino on Oct 28, 2017 11:51:30 GMT
Right from the get-go this is a fallacy. Everyone is biased. You would have more credibility without mentioning this. Well Im going to get accused of being biased so I might as well get it out of the way. Nope, thats all there is. If you want to expand on my plot summary then by all means.. He was better in TDW imo. He had a lot of range and was key in the plot. His scene were he finds out about his mothers death is better than everything he did in Ragnarok. It felt like no more than 10 minutes passed until another joke happened. It honestly felt like I was watching GotG1.0 again. As for Hella, she is basically Malketh. Super villain awakens from a long slumber and wants to rule/destroy the universe/Asguard. Shes slightly better than Malketh though because of the cool scene she kills all the soldiers.
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Post by charzhino on Oct 28, 2017 11:52:24 GMT
Well i did say I much preferred GotG 2.0 because there was actual character in that movie including Draxs subplot. Here, theres nothing, the characters are either qiupping, fighting or joking. No one has a character arc. And are you going to criticize Loki trying to betray Thor again like you do with magneto? At least here Thor knew it would happen and beat Loki to the punch. Xavier never takes precautions against Magneto when he really should know better. As for lack of character arcs, I'll do a deeper analysis once I see the film next week. [/quote] Oh I thought youv seen the film. Better leave this thread because theres a few spoilers.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2017 12:00:03 GMT
Negative, I named a lot of fallacies on your side that you neglected to mention. But I see a pattern of first attacking on a non substance level before engaging in argumentation. Wrong Clark. The law and common sense disagree with you. E contrario, you bring an ad absurdum argument: if everybody is biased why would the word unbiased even exist, under law, codes and in life? Everybody got preference but that does not exclude to review and evaluate facts on an objective level. Only a sithhead deals in absolutes Clark. Btw, bias has many definitions, put in their core they show negative exposure: - "a particular tendency, trend, inclination, feeling, or opinion, especially one that is preconceived or unreasoned": - unreasonably hostile feelings or opinions about a subject; prejudice. QED It a rhetorical means to show you how your own bad arguments can bite you in the ass, Clark. It worked fine except that you seem to suffer from sensitive nipples more than butthurt. Why ask me? Check my posting history and try to form your own unbiased opinion on that. One would sincerely hope so anyway, some's output suggests otherwise. Words, smooth and easy, but again: form over substance as the OP criticized and thus only confirming his point. There, let me help you: Only the shallow will find that deep. In the end, the turd always floats at the shallow end of the pool. Always a pleasure talking to you, Clark. Oh I know your type. Thanks for the swift realisation. Wants to say his/her piece but cant stop throwing around insults. You need to get over the fact that suicide squad won an oscar for make-up and nothing substantial. Thats why your sore, from our last encounter. Makes sense now. Dont let the figurative door hit you on the way out and watch out for the passive-aggressive shaped booby trap as you go through it. I am done here. Thanks for telling me that you're a phantom though. Someone to not interact with. I would say it has been a pleasure but you know, I would be lying.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Oct 28, 2017 12:00:39 GMT
Funny thing being that you keep ignoring stuff like Drax musing on the nature of real beauty while eating up slop like "Love will save the world"... I don't. I told you several times before: The odor of one rose growing on a heap of turd cannot chase away the stink. And don't forget MCU is famous for its huge turds... Also, it's not that I do not trust your word, but I just don't trust it. Could you kindly quote those fabled and raised " Drax musing on the nature of real beauty" so we can properly dissect and analyze their literary merit? Btw, WW never said what you diligently misrepresent and straw-man here, her final character arc monologue on the duality of human nature and the anatomy of aggression was as follows: It's excellent writing and character development for a CBM, especially vis-a-vis "Did you create a penis?" "poo poo head" and such. One might get an Oscar, on will not...just sayin
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Post by formersamhmd on Oct 28, 2017 12:14:17 GMT
At least here Thor knew it would happen and beat Loki to the punch. Xavier never takes precautions against Magneto when he really should know better. As for lack of character arcs, I'll do a deeper analysis once I see the film next week. Oh I thought youv seen the film. Better leave this thread because theres a few spoilers.[/quote] Beh, I spoiled myself before any of these thread started. I'm still going to see it.
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Post by formersamhmd on Oct 28, 2017 12:18:09 GMT
Funny thing being that you keep ignoring stuff like Drax musing on the nature of real beauty while eating up slop like "Love will save the world"... I don't. I told you several times before: The odor of one rose growing on a heap of turd cannot chase away the stink. And once again, you show you dislike naturalistic dialog in favor of pretentious slop...then again you probably enjoyed nonsense like "Die a hero or live long enough to become a villain". Of course, monologing like that is always lazy. At least Drax's bit was to the point. Excellently banal. Naive woman-child goes to the world and becomes slightly less naive, wow what an arc.
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Post by DC-Fan on Oct 28, 2017 16:41:58 GMT
My unbiased review from last nights screening. Overrated film. The critics calling it the best MCU movie is again the kind of hyperbole that happens every time a new MCU movie comes out. I went into the film having quite enjoyed GotG 2.0 and mildly liking Homecoming. And these 2 entries are better than Ragnarok. Its a shame because there's a lot of cool stuff in the film. The positives (spoilers): CGI looks great The fight choreography is probably the best I've ever seen in the MCU (correct use of slow mo, no shaky cam) Hulk v Thor scene is worth the admission price alone Grandmaster played by Jeff Goldblum was genuinely hilarious Its world building is very believable and faithful to source material But other than all these stylistic fanfares, unfortunately theres not much substance to the film. Towards the final fight Im thinking, whats the actual plot? Its bare thin. Thor gets stranded on a planet that he has to escape to return to Asguard and defeat supervillain. Thats it, no intricacy, no subtext no themes. Thor 2 TDW is a better film because its script is much better and developed. TDW also uses Loki a lot more effectively and is still Tom Hiddlestones best performance in the MCU. And now the jokes (MCU snowflakes can stop reading now). There are too many jokes in this film. Its like they couldnt go 10 minutes without throwing in some kind of humor and majority of these gags fell flat and were cringey. How many comic relief characters does a film need? Its probably on par with GotG 1 comedic levels. The worst part is, once again with Marvel, the jokes were coming in during serious scenes. Examples, Thor trying to convince Valkriy to join him and fight for Asguard. Then throws the ball against window which bounces back and knocks him over. Really? Another during the final fight, Banner jumps out the ship in whats supposed to be a intense revelatory moment to turn into the Hulk and fight the intimidating wolf. But nope, he falls onto the bridge in a silly effort to suck more laughs from the audience and ruining the momentum (this part didnt get many laughs). Valkiry falling off her spaceship during her introduction because she was drunk - and this side story goes nowhere. And theres many other examples throughout the runtime of Ragnarok. Towards the end they try to fit in some emotional uprising scene between Thor and Odin but it just fails because they haven't earnt it. And why doesnt Thor mourn for his Warriors 3 friends who were slayed by Hella? In the first 2 films they are seen to be very close. As for Hella, shes basically a clone of Malketh but with more lines. Final rating is 5/10. Homecoming is better. Gotg 2.0 is much better. Thor 2 TDW is still the best Thor movie. Logan will remain easily the best FILM in the comic book genre this year as Justice League looks it could be hit and miss. Thanks for the well-written, honest, and unbiased review.
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Post by ThatGuy on Oct 28, 2017 16:53:58 GMT
My unbiased review from last nights screening. Overrated film. The critics calling it the best MCU movie is again the kind of hyperbole that happens every time a new MCU movie comes out. I went into the film having quite enjoyed GotG 2.0 and mildly liking Homecoming. And these 2 entries are better than Ragnarok. Its a shame because there's a lot of cool stuff in the film. The positives (spoilers): CGI looks great The fight choreography is probably the best I've ever seen in the MCU (correct use of slow mo, no shaky cam) Hulk v Thor scene is worth the admission price alone Grandmaster played by Jeff Goldblum was genuinely hilarious Its world building is very believable and faithful to source material But other than all these stylistic fanfares, unfortunately theres not much substance to the film. Towards the final fight Im thinking, whats the actual plot? Its bare thin. Thor gets stranded on a planet that he has to escape to return to Asguard and defeat supervillain. Thats it, no intricacy, no subtext no themes. Thor 2 TDW is a better film because its script is much better and developed. TDW also uses Loki a lot more effectively and is still Tom Hiddlestones best performance in the MCU. And now the jokes (MCU snowflakes can stop reading now). There are too many jokes in this film. Its like they couldnt go 10 minutes without throwing in some kind of humor and majority of these gags fell flat and were cringey. How many comic relief characters does a film need? Its probably on par with GotG 1 comedic levels. The worst part is, once again with Marvel, the jokes were coming in during serious scenes. Examples, Thor trying to convince Valkriy to join him and fight for Asguard. Then throws the ball against window which bounces back and knocks him over. Really? Another during the final fight, Banner jumps out the ship in whats supposed to be a intense revelatory moment to turn into the Hulk and fight the intimidating wolf. But nope, he falls onto the bridge in a silly effort to suck more laughs from the audience and ruining the momentum (this part didnt get many laughs). Valkiry falling off her spaceship during her introduction because she was drunk - and this side story goes nowhere. And theres many other examples throughout the runtime of Ragnarok. Towards the end they try to fit in some emotional uprising scene between Thor and Odin but it just fails because they haven't earnt it. And why doesnt Thor mourn for his Warriors 3 friends who were slayed by Hella? In the first 2 films they are seen to be very close. As for Hella, shes basically a clone of Malketh but with more lines. Final rating is 5/10. Homecoming is better. Gotg 2.0 is much better. Thor 2 TDW is still the best Thor movie. Logan will remain easily the best FILM in the comic book genre this year as Justice League looks it could be hit and miss. Thanks for the well-written, honest, and unbiased review. Dude...
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Post by merh on Oct 29, 2017 17:41:50 GMT
Right from the get-go this is a fallacy. Everyone is biased. You would have more credibility without mentioning this. Nopey-dopey Clark. This is a "fallacy fallacy" and a "straw man" (look it up). Also, not everybody is biased (false absolute and generalization), he wished to indicate that he tries to be fair. You would have had more credibility without mentioning this. Facepalm indeed, Clark. NO you can't, you should maybe watch movie outside your MCU bubble, some do have intricacy, subtext and themes. Also, the criticism of low-on-substance and thin plot is prevalent in many positive reviews. Instead of lazy generalizations you should debunk this by working out why you think this film is deep and has a complex plot - might be a laugh riot. Opinions...But you're all right Clark, at least you try. But when I click on charzhino's name & peruse his post history, he strongly seems to fall into the X-Men fans who seem to dislike MCU. Which suggests bias.
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