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Post by lenlenlen1 on Dec 15, 2017 16:34:49 GMT
question:
So in this current climate of people in the entertainment industry (mostly) coming out against sexual harassment offenders, why hasnt anyone brought up Roman Polanski again, whom has had very public accusations made about him all these years? And Woody Allen? Why do some people get shafted but others no? Polanski has never been brought to justice or made any apology.
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Post by General Kenobi on Dec 15, 2017 19:12:44 GMT
I have wondered the same thing lenlenlen1. Why are Polanski and Allen getting a free pass? Anyone with a shred of decency should not work either of them and they should be face justice for what they did. Especially Polanski who cowardly fled the country instead of facing the consequences for his sickening crimes.
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Post by Nora on Dec 16, 2017 15:25:52 GMT
question: So in this current climate of people in the entertainment industry (mostly) coming out against sexual harassment offenders, why hasnt anyone brought up Roman Polanski again, whom has had very public accusations made about him all these years? And Woody Allen? Why do some people get shafted but others no? Polanski has never been brought to justice or made any apology. but they have. A lot. Dylan Farrow wrote a piece just a few days ago and is heavily lobbying against Allen (who most likely did NOT do what he was accused of, this one is a really sad story) on twitter etc. Similarly with Polanski they have brought it up recently in NYT I think. Plus someone else has recently brought another allegation against him. But the Polanski story is completely different than Allen and its not right to put these two in the same category. Polanski IS a criminal (certainly in one jurisdiction at least), who has been charged, pleaded guilty and was convicted and is fleeing justice. You simply cannot compare him to Woody Allen who has had one allegation that was dismissed by forensic experts, who had no believable motivation or motiv to do what he allegedly do AT THAT TIME (even if he was a pedophile which I dont believe it wouldnt make sense) and Dylan has appeared to be heavily coached by Mia (this was confirmed not only by experts but by Mias other children later). This story is very sad in the way that it is destroying multiple lives and bringing it up in this case is not right. "Polanski has never been brought to justice or made any apology." and this is simply not true.
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Post by Nora on Dec 16, 2017 15:32:39 GMT
I have wondered the same thing lenlenlen1. Why are Polanski and Allen getting a free pass? Anyone with a shred of decency should not work either of them and they should be face justice for what they did. Especially Polanski who cowardly fled the country instead of facing the consequences for his sickening crimes. this is a serious question: so… people should only work with certain people who are deemed "ok/harmless" … which effectively means art should be made only by people who have a clean criminal record? Or what? How would it be evaluated? What if they do have a clean criminal record but allegedly have done something bad (not necessarily a crime perhaps) should they be first evaluated by some committee that would examine their moral fortitude and decide if we, the society, should be exposed to their creations or not? HOW EXACTLY WOULD THIS WORK? Would it be only people who allegedly have done something bad related to children? Or sex overall that would be in this group that would have to be certified "worthy" first? Or would it be other crimes and misdemeanors too that would keep people from being able to create art? Shoplifting? Yes/no? Assault? Yes/no? Larceny? Rape? Attempted rape? Yes/no? Taking a picture next to a confederate flag? Yes/no? Spitting in public? I am intentionally mixing things of different seriousness, I just want to know how would you regulate this. Because you are surely talking about REGULATION, right? You cant leave this up to "peoples feelings", about someone, no? Because effectively you are talking about indirect censorship. If we found out that Leonardo Da Vinci or Michelangelo were creeps, would we admire Mona Lisa and Sixteenth Chapel less? Or stopped people from going to see it? If we did, would it be the right thing to do? Where does this end? I actually think this is a good discussion to have. So I hope you answer and let me know how you see it.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Dec 17, 2017 23:59:11 GMT
And this is simply not true. So when did Polanski serve jail time for what he did? And where is the apology? I must have missed those. Do you have links?
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Post by Nora on Dec 18, 2017 7:33:16 GMT
And this is simply not true. So when did Polanski serve jail time for what he did? And where is the apology? I must have missed those. Do you have links? sure. here you go. bfy.tw/Fcfb
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Dec 18, 2017 8:05:48 GMT
May have already been said, and I'm pulling the metaview card here, but this all smacks of a growing rift between the sexes. I once heard that failing marriages and low birthrates are telltale sign of a decline of a civilization. The media has been stoking this since Betty Friedan. Patriarchy comes from the Middle East and Asia. The Jews and Muslims were very patriarchal. Aryan Europe not so much. The National Socialists had women pilots and filmmakers. England had female rulers for centuries. One of the most famous books was written by a woman (Frankenstein) and her mother was a women's rights pioneer (unlike Friedan, Steinem etc she did not demonize men or call for society's collapse). Now the third wave feminism is starting to turn on white women because they supported Trump. I think what will happen is the liberal cities will collapse from family disintegration and multiculturalism and poorly trained police and the more traditional unified places (flyover country) will remain intact (but face challenges from the liberal areas). There's a colony of Dutch-Germans in Bolivia that have seen their numbers go from 20 000 to 150 000 in 20 years. They have big families and none of the cultural marxist infiltration so this can change really fast. The media owners are panicky because white folk are starting to catch on-especially younger people. I remember when the media said westerners had to have less children because of overpopulation--but when people said: what about Asia? They are the overpopulated ones--the answer was that they didn't have a western lifestyle. So what happened? The same media then cheerled for Asia to be industrialized --and no more talk about overpopulation and western lifestyles. Instead they said there weren't enough people in the West and they needed to bring in third worlders. The scam is obvious now.
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Post by Roberto on Dec 18, 2017 14:04:14 GMT
Anyone else disappointed that the names have stopped rolling in? We need as many scumbags to be named and shamed as possible.
I guess that's a good thing that there aren't too many though.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Dec 18, 2017 17:35:31 GMT
So when did Polanski serve jail time for what he did? And where is the apology? I must have missed those. Do you have links? sure. here you go. bfy.tw/FcfbThank you.
...And the jail time part?
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Post by shannondegroot on Dec 19, 2017 17:19:44 GMT
TJ Miller
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Post by DanaShelbyChancey on Dec 19, 2017 17:35:25 GMT
It has really become distorted now, that some have reviled Matt Damon for pointing out that he has never sexually harrassed anyone, nor have his friends and colleagues. He has been jumped on, told "it's not about you!"
Good on Matt, if he isn't guilty of these things.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Dec 21, 2017 19:28:28 GMT
OLIVIA MUNN'S OPEN LETTER... re: Brett Ratner
www.indiewire.com/2017/12/olivia-munn-essay-sexual-harassment-abuse-brett-ratner-1201910174/
From the article: "According to Munn, she was asked to drop off food to Ratner’s trailer as a favor and when she entered she found the director not wearing any pants and “furiously masturbating.” She says he told at a later date that he ejaculated to her image on magazine covers."
Whoa now... that makes it sound different. A) If she walked in on him then that's not sexual harassment. That's her walking in on a private moment, even if he was masturbating to a magazine cover of her. B) If he made an awful terrible joke/comment about it afterwards then that makes him a dick and a jerk but not a sexual harasser. Maybe that was his immature way of coping with being embarrassed or making light of being walked in on while doing "that". And I'll bet when he said that to her she laughed her ass off because I remember she had quite the crass sense of humor when her career was beginning. But now it's sexual harassment.
I'm not discounting her experience, but see how things are not so clear cut when you dig a bit deeper? Now the mans reputation is ruined which in turn will ruin his career and most likely his life. I'm not defending him, he probably is a jerk as described, but these accusations need to be tempered.
Its getting out of control. What happens when someone innocent is accused? He'll have no recourse.
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Post by twothousandonemark on Dec 23, 2017 1:48:58 GMT
2018 should have a pool for this akin to a dead pool.
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Post by Jokers_Wilde on Dec 23, 2017 15:32:12 GMT
I was watching CBC Newsworld this morning. The Philadephia orchestra has cut ties with Dutoit. Agreed.
Not to ruffle any feathers there, but.....
Isn't there some sort of statute of limitations with regards to cases like these? The alleged Dutoit case took place in 1991. There were other incidents from 1985.
Why, all of a sudden, is it a problem NOW?
Meanwhile, I'm waiting for the police to knock on my front door for something I said 20 years ago.
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Post by shannondegroot on Dec 24, 2017 4:37:53 GMT
Max Landis
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Post by Eλευθερί on Jan 5, 2018 14:01:31 GMT
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Post by Eλευθερί on Jan 5, 2018 20:59:09 GMT
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Post by shannondegroot on Jan 10, 2018 0:57:06 GMT
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Jan 10, 2018 1:02:09 GMT
Ben Vereen!!! NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Not Ben Vereen!!!!! That man tap danced his way into my soul!!!!!!! But now, he's gotta go...
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Post by loofapotato on Jan 10, 2018 1:05:34 GMT
James Franco you dirty dirty boy.
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