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Post by Nora on Jan 16, 2018 3:38:07 GMT
Aziz Ansari, new on the list yeah thats one crazy story. I cant believe the audacity of the girl who A) flirted with him at a party B) flirted with him over the phone for at least a week C) went on a date with him, D) took pictures of their food and otherwise acted very comfortably around him E) went to his place in the evening F) did not stop him when he made a first movie originally G) from her detailed story it doesn't seem like she really made it clear she is not into physical stuff. I mean dont let the guy go down on you and don't go down on him unless you are into it OR he FORCES/THREATENS you. H) went down on him repeatedly just because he pointed to his dick? COME ON. She was 23 not 15. A woman at 23 should be able to say a firm "no thank you and if you suggest that again I am ending this evening" to a dick being presented to her as dessert after dinner, if she does not feel like sucking it. All these stories are actually making women look so weak and incompetent and unable to act the way they truly feel they want to. Unable to be firm and LEAVE when they get "this" (as she says) uncomfortable, now two blow jobs later. Whats next, really. Signing a contract before trying to sleep with someone? 10 obligatory dates? Ugh. Also (and this is just a personal preference of course) his "claw move" is so hot. one of my favourite things. oh well. Each to their own i guess.
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Post by Nora on Jan 16, 2018 3:41:48 GMT
If I like someone am I morally obligated to date them for a month first before I can make it clear I want to have sex with them? No. But I'll bet it helps in screening out the ones who are total nutjobs. maybe i have been lucky, but i have only been on one date with someone who I think would qualify as a "total nutjob" so my experience in that area is minimal (unlike in the area of being sexually harassed, where it is multiple)… I am just really happy I am not a guy. Not that someone couldnt accuse me as a woman, but at least the social construct is not telling me I should be the "hunter". So I am much less exposed to my behaviour being called "predatory" etc. also the double standards are endless…
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Jan 17, 2018 1:12:45 GMT
So Matt Damon...
Damon came under fire for suggesting that claims of sexual harassment should be viewed differently from allegations of sexual assault in an interview with ABC News’ “Popcorn with Peter Travers.
“There’s a difference between, you know, patting someone on the butt and rape or child molestation, right?” Damon said in the interview. “Both of those behaviors need to be confronted and eradicated, without question, but they shouldn’t be conflated, right?”
The comments drew criticism from his former girlfriend and Good Will Hunting costar Minnie Driver, as well as Alyssa Milano, who popularized the #MeToo hashtag.
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Post by Eλευθερί on Jan 17, 2018 12:39:40 GMT
So Matt Damon...
Damon came under fire for suggesting that claims of sexual harassment should be viewed differently from allegations of sexual assault in an interview with ABC News’ “Popcorn with Peter Travers.
“There’s a difference between, you know, patting someone on the butt and rape or child molestation, right?” Damon said in the interview. “Both of those behaviors need to be confronted and eradicated, without question, but they shouldn’t be conflated, right?”
The comments drew criticism from his former girlfriend and Good Will Hunting costar Minnie Driver, as well as Alyssa Milano, who popularized the #MeToo hashtag.
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I haven't read what Minnie Driver or Alyssa Milano specifically said in response, but I agree with Damon on the specific point quoted above.
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Post by DanaShelbyChancey on Jan 17, 2018 14:40:47 GMT
I do agree with Matt Damon. There is a difference in how it should be treated. I would not want a guy to go to prison over patting someone's butt, and an out and out rapist getting the same treatment.
Also a difference in incidents in the workplace, versus socially. Rapists, it doesn't matter, they get the full punishment. Simple ass patting is more serious in the workplace with a power discrepancy, socially it is to be handled differently.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Jan 17, 2018 18:55:07 GMT
So Matt Damon...
Damon came under fire for suggesting that claims of sexual harassment should be viewed differently from allegations of sexual assault in an interview with ABC News’ “Popcorn with Peter Travers.
“There’s a difference between, you know, patting someone on the butt and rape or child molestation, right?” Damon said in the interview. “Both of those behaviors need to be confronted and eradicated, without question, but they shouldn’t be conflated, right?”
The comments drew criticism from his former girlfriend and Good Will Hunting costar Minnie Driver, as well as Alyssa Milano, who popularized the #MeToo hashtag.
Thoughts?
I haven't read what Minnie Driver or Alyssa Milano specifically said in response, but I agree with Damon on the specific point quoted above. Minnie Driver, From: www.theguardian.com/film/2017/dec/16/minnie-driver-matt-damon-men-cannot-understand-abuse
her first response to Damon, Driver wrote on Twitter: “Good God, seriously?"
“Gosh it’s so interesting (profoundly unsurprising) how men with all these opinions about women’s differentiation between sexual misconduct, assault and rape reveal themselves to be utterly tone deaf and as a result, systemically part of the problem.”
Driver’s response to Damon was shared widely on social media, alongside that of the actor Alyssa Milano, who said: “There are different stages of cancer. Some more treatable than others. But it’s still cancer.”
On Saturday, Driver told the Guardian: “I felt I desperately needed to say something. I’ve realised that most men, good men, the men that I love, there is a cut-off in their ability to understand. They simply cannot understand what abuse is like on a daily level.
“I honestly think that until we get on the same page, you can’t tell a woman about their abuse. A man cannot do that. No one can. It is so individual and so personal, it’s galling when a powerful man steps up and starts dictating the terms, whether he intends it or not.”
(Its interesting that they dated around the time of Good Wil Hunting if I'm not mistaken)
and Alyssa Milano, from: www.usatoday.com/story/life/people/2017/12/16/alyssa-milano-minnie-driver-shut-down-matt-damons-sexual-harassment-comments/957987001/ I have been a victim of each component of the sexual assault spectrum of which you speak. They all hurt. And they are all connected to a patriarchy intertwined with normalized, accepted--even welcomed-- misogyny. We are not outraged because someone grabbed our asses in a picture. We are outraged because we were made to feel this was normal. We are outraged because we have been gaslighted. We are outraged because we were silenced for so long.
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Post by deembastille on Jan 17, 2018 22:13:57 GMT
So Matt Damon...
Damon came under fire for suggesting that claims of sexual harassment should be viewed differently from allegations of sexual assault in an interview with ABC News’ “Popcorn with Peter Travers.
“There’s a difference between, you know, patting someone on the butt and rape or child molestation, right?” Damon said in the interview. “Both of those behaviors need to be confronted and eradicated, without question, but they shouldn’t be conflated, right?”
The comments drew criticism from his former girlfriend and Good Will Hunting costar Minnie Driver, as well as Alyssa Milano, who popularized the #MeToo hashtag.
Thoughts?
I haven't read what Minnie Driver or Alyssa Milano specifically said in response, but I agree with Damon on the specific point quoted above. I don't know about Minnie or Alyssa either but Matt sounds like an absolute moron with the 'right?''s. like he's looking for validation.
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Post by DanaShelbyChancey on Jan 18, 2018 14:51:53 GMT
I hope Alyssa Milano would see some distinction in different types of cancer, as well as different types of harassment. A guy who takes a woman's upper arm, and sneaks a feel of some side boob, should be called out for it, of course. But saying it is the same thing as full-on rape, someone would have to be hideously insensitive to say it is comparable. Both are unacceptable.
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Post by lordquesterjones on Jan 18, 2018 15:05:35 GMT
Woody Allan thumbed my anus when I was 4!
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Post by PreachCaleb on Jan 18, 2018 17:22:15 GMT
So Matt Damon...
Damon came under fire for suggesting that claims of sexual harassment should be viewed differently from allegations of sexual assault in an interview with ABC News’ “Popcorn with Peter Travers.
“There’s a difference between, you know, patting someone on the butt and rape or child molestation, right?” Damon said in the interview. “Both of those behaviors need to be confronted and eradicated, without question, but they shouldn’t be conflated, right?”
The comments drew criticism from his former girlfriend and Good Will Hunting costar Minnie Driver, as well as Alyssa Milano, who popularized the #MeToo hashtag.
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I think Damon's focusing on the wrong thing. He's trying to rationalize about the perpetrators' feelings rather than the victims'.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Jan 18, 2018 18:13:35 GMT
So Matt Damon...
Damon came under fire for suggesting that claims of sexual harassment should be viewed differently from allegations of sexual assault in an interview with ABC News’ “Popcorn with Peter Travers.
“There’s a difference between, you know, patting someone on the butt and rape or child molestation, right?” Damon said in the interview. “Both of those behaviors need to be confronted and eradicated, without question, but they shouldn’t be conflated, right?”
The comments drew criticism from his former girlfriend and Good Will Hunting costar Minnie Driver, as well as Alyssa Milano, who popularized the #MeToo hashtag.
Thoughts?
I think Damon's focusing on the wrong thing. He's trying to rationalize about the perpetrators' feelings rather than the victims'. Agreed. And unfortunately when men chime in on the subject, for the most part, that's what we do. I think there's a little part of all us men who believe that when women speak out like this they kinda mean "us".
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Post by PreachCaleb on Jan 18, 2018 19:08:24 GMT
Yeah, reminds me of that #noteveryguy hashtag from a few years back. Men are far too quick to jump on the defensive.
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Post by Eλευθερί on Jan 18, 2018 22:57:46 GMT
So Matt Damon...
Damon came under fire for suggesting that claims of sexual harassment should be viewed differently from allegations of sexual assault in an interview with ABC News’ “Popcorn with Peter Travers.
“There’s a difference between, you know, patting someone on the butt and rape or child molestation, right?” Damon said in the interview. “Both of those behaviors need to be confronted and eradicated, without question, but they shouldn’t be conflated, right?”
The comments drew criticism from his former girlfriend and Good Will Hunting costar Minnie Driver, as well as Alyssa Milano, who popularized the #MeToo hashtag.
Thoughts?
I think Damon's focusing on the wrong thing. He's trying to rationalize about the perpetrators' feelings rather than the victims'. This discussion was taking place within the context of a pro-feminist, liberal US Senator having just been forced to resign over allegations of having grabbed one-too-many women's butts, with (as far as I am aware) no allegations against him of sexual assault (as in rape) or of threatening a female employee's job in exchange for sex. That ex-senator had had 4 years remaining in his term in office. But now his seat will potentially be up for grabs by a conservative, anti-feminist candidate in an election being called early to replace him this November. The take-no-prisoners attitude that fails to discriminate among different degrees of sexual misbehavior could have consequences that backfire.
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Post by PreachCaleb on Jan 18, 2018 23:02:43 GMT
And that's true. But it shows that no one is free from recriminations. So what if it wasn't "rape"? Grabbing anyone without their permission is wrong, and he must face consequences. He doesn't get a pass for being a liberal.
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Post by Jokers_Wilde on Jan 27, 2018 15:11:31 GMT
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Post by Eλευθερί on Jan 28, 2018 1:36:42 GMT
I wonder what Jian Ghomeshi is up to these days.
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Post by Eλευθερί on Jan 28, 2018 1:49:14 GMT
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Post by deembastille on Jan 28, 2018 1:59:48 GMT
erm... this is hard to believe...
in order for him to become physically aggressive...this should have happened...
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Post by jervistetch on Jan 28, 2018 2:19:17 GMT
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