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Post by DanaShelbyChancey on Jan 10, 2018 14:39:25 GMT
What kinds of actual advice can we give potential abusers? We can start with, keep space between your hands, mouth, and all other parts of your body, and another person. That is the most important.
Also, do not display parts of yourself usually covered with clothing, in social situations. Just to be safe, watch what you say, no dirty jokes, suggestive speech or double entendres.
If you like someone and want to see them again, ask them to go to lunch, dinner, or coffee. If they say no, don't ask again.
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Jan 10, 2018 15:01:28 GMT
Still, the majority are not white, yet white men keep getting blamed as the problem. French actress Catherine Deneuve has said that men should be "free to hit on" women. She is one of 100 well-known French women who wrote an open letter, warning about a new "puritanism" sparked by recent sexual harassment scandals. www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-42630108This could miss the point though. The problem is one heritage controls the film business and regard women as whores (as Rachel Weicz said in 2001). I wonder if the films made under Arthur Rank, a Christian British movie mogul, or the Carreras of Hammer, had the same reports of harassment.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Jan 10, 2018 17:46:18 GMT
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Post by Eλευθερί on Jan 10, 2018 23:05:52 GMT
Still, the majority are not white, yet white men keep getting blamed as the problem. WTF?
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Post by Eλευθερί on Jan 10, 2018 23:14:19 GMT
do not display parts of yourself usually covered with clothing, in social situations. I think we know what you mean, but you may need to spell it out more clearly than that. For example, toes are usually covered by clothing, yet wearing sandals may still be completely socially appropriate for some social situations. Same with wearing low-cut blouses--probably not appropriate for a court hearing, but fine for some social situations. I think that may be too restrictive. If the primary interaction has been through the workplace, then it's fair. If the primary interaction has been through some other kind of relationship, maybe it's not. We all (or many of us) know happy couples in which one partner originally wasn't that into the other one. Without the pursuit, they never would have been together. Is that what we want, to keep people who might have been happy together from getting together? (I am not talking about people who met through work, though. I'm talking about people who met through family, mutual friends, church, other social situations like that.)
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Post by Eλευθερί on Jan 10, 2018 23:17:24 GMT
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Post by deembastille on Jan 10, 2018 23:25:49 GMT
Still, the majority are not white, yet white men keep getting blamed as the problem. WTF? i don't think white men keep on getting BLAMED per se but they are getting 'in trouble'. i guess, accusers don't want to further rock the boat by getting al Sharpton on their backs. doesn't matter if something is racist or not, it's racist to him. and a lot of times the person who was violated feels unsure about telling because it isn't a racial matter but a sexual matter. and al Sharpton makes everything a racial matter. it's just not worth the lawsuits.
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Post by Eλευθερί on Jan 10, 2018 23:40:32 GMT
i don't think white men keep on getting BLAMED per se but they are getting 'in trouble'. i guess, accusers don't want to further rock the boat by getting al Sharpton on their backs. doesn't matter if something is racist or not, it's racist to him. and a lot of times the person who was violated feels unsure about telling because it isn't a racial matter but a sexual matter. and al Sharpton makes everything a racial matter. it's just not worth the lawsuits. My WTF? was in response to the claim that "the majority are not white." Assuming this is referring to the US population, how is it that the majority are not white? Especially if we are talking about the majority of people who are bosses (since a lot of the workplace sexual harassment involves bosses, or boss-equivalents, putting subordinates in sexually uncomfortable situations, or looking the other way when brought allegations of such behavior).
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Post by shannondegroot on Jan 10, 2018 23:49:11 GMT
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Post by deembastille on Jan 10, 2018 23:49:50 GMT
i don't think white men keep on getting BLAMED per se but they are getting 'in trouble'. i guess, accusers don't want to further rock the boat by getting al Sharpton on their backs. doesn't matter if something is racist or not, it's racist to him. and a lot of times the person who was violated feels unsure about telling because it isn't a racial matter but a sexual matter. and al Sharpton makes everything a racial matter. it's just not worth the lawsuits. My WTF? was in response to the claim that "the majority are not white." Assuming this is referring to the US population, how is it that the majority are not white? Especially if we are talking about the majority of people who are bosses (since a lot of the workplace sexual harassment involves bosses, or boss-equivalents, putting subordinates in sexually uncomfortable situations, or looking the other way when brought allegations of such behavior). yeah... what makes you think bosses are the majority of this? still. the majority who are guilty whether they are accused or not, are not white. i have known a lot of non-white people who take their non-whiteness to a higher level and hold themselves to a higher standard. they get what they want because they 'are a minority'. and if you tell them they can't get what they want, then you're a racist. ps: not white does not mean black. it means, other than white. that means all the other races.
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Jan 11, 2018 0:17:52 GMT
The majority of the sexual abusers are Jewish. At least 70%. For some odd reason this statistical oddity is overlooked. But Rachel Weicz said back in 2001 that she felt she should hide her Jewish background because the Jews who run Hollywood see acting as a profession for whores. Thus the treatment they give them. The media shapes the story away from that, instead saying it is about men. It would only be about men if this sort of thing(masturbating in plants, hiring Mossad agents as spies) was happening at Boeing, Coca-Cola, O'Brien's Hardware...
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Post by Eλευθερί on Jan 11, 2018 2:18:05 GMT
My WTF? was in response to the claim that "the majority are not white." Assuming this is referring to the US population, how is it that the majority are not white? Especially if we are talking about the majority of people who are bosses (since a lot of the workplace sexual harassment involves bosses, or boss-equivalents, putting subordinates in sexually uncomfortable situations, or looking the other way when brought allegations of such behavior). yeah... what makes you think bosses are the majority of this? This thread and the media reports I have been reading. We need to be clear about what "this" is for the discussion to work. Most of the kinds of sexual harassment complaints that have gotten a lot of media attention in the last few months have involved situations in which workers were mistreated by producers, directors, star actors, star journalists. People who had power over the victims in the workplace. Sure, there are also lots of cases of sexual harassment between coworkers of equal status, but those have not been where the focus has been lately in the film and television industries and in journalism. Besides which, even in the cases of sexual harassment between coworkers of equal status, most of the cases are still likely to involve whites by virtue of the simple fact that there are more whites in the workforce. We have been discussing Hollywood and the news media/entertainment industry, primarily in the US. What makes you think the majority who are guilty are not white? (Let me state for the record that I do not believe the introduction of race, religion, or ethnicity into this discussion is helpful. Sexual misbehavior involves/affects all groups. I am responding to what others have stated here.)
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Post by loofapotato on Jan 11, 2018 4:16:38 GMT
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Post by Nora on Jan 12, 2018 20:33:10 GMT
defending oneself ahead of the accusation really shows you whats going on. normally, this is a strategy that a few legal professionals would recommend. and the fact his lawyers oked it speaks volume. reading about what a "horrible pervert" Franco is for hitting on a 17year old who was hanging out outside of the theatre where he acted and then responded to his DMs (and made it public) makes me feel like we officially all enterer crazy world. things completely taken out of context, general expectations, habits etc. If I like someone am I morally obligated to date them for a month first before I can make it clear I want to have sex with them? Or if I want to have sex with them am do I need to enter into a serious relationship with them? Where is my freedom to just sleep with people I find attractive (given they share the interest) and making it known to them that that is what I want? What else is there to say? Maybe this: I am SO glad I am not a guy in the day and age. (reverse) Handmaids Tale never looked more real.
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Post by deembastille on Jan 12, 2018 22:35:11 GMT
i picked up a metro paper this afternoon coming home from work and i began reading n article that said what each woman was complaining about Franco...
one said she is complaining because when she was filming a sex orgy scene with him he removed the vajajay guards from her and a couple of other women and rubbed them down there and then started to 'act' like he was having sex with them...
i'm like... AND YOU JUST STOOD THERE? YOU DIDN'T SWAT HIM AWAY? REALLY? WERE THERE CAMERAS AND OTHER PEOPLE STILL IN THE ROOM? WHY DID YOU STAY IF THERE WEREN'T?
i get it if you are really young but if you signed a contract and know the movie has a nudie sex orgy scene, you need to be really on your guard.
and la times says how one actress noticed 'you don't say no to this guy'.... well, you should say no even if it doesn't work. get it on record. don't be around them alone if at all. sorry, this is NOT SOLELY HIS FAULT!
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Post by loofapotato on Jan 15, 2018 8:37:27 GMT
Aziz Ansari, new on the list
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Post by telegonus on Jan 15, 2018 9:53:08 GMT
The majority of the sexual abusers are Jewish. At least 70%. For some odd reason this statistical oddity is overlooked. But Rachel Weicz said back in 2001 that she felt she should hide her Jewish background because the Jews who run Hollywood see acting as a profession for whores. Thus the treatment they give them. The media shapes the story away from that, instead saying it is about men. It would only be about men if this sort of thing(masturbating in plants, hiring Mossad agents as spies) was happening at Boeing, Coca-Cola, O'Brien's Hardware... Rachel Weisz, hide her background,--in Hollywood?
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Jan 15, 2018 15:54:24 GMT
Rachel Weisz, hide her background,--in Hollywood? jewishjournal.com/uncategorized/73537/RACHEL: Hollywood’s run by Jews. I was advised by an American agent when I was about 19 to change my surname. And I said “Why? Jews run Hollywood.” He said “Exactly.” He had a theory that all the executives think acting’s a job for shiksas.
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Post by telegonus on Jan 15, 2018 22:37:29 GMT
Rachel Weisz, hide her background,--in Hollywood? jewishjournal.com/uncategorized/73537/RACHEL: Hollywood’s run by Jews. I was advised by an American agent when I was about 19 to change my surname. And I said “Why? Jews run Hollywood.” He said “Exactly.” He had a theory that all the executives think acting’s a job for shiksas. I know what her agent meant but there's the wannabe factor of Hollywood being a place for people who want to "pass" rather than be themselves, which is probably true for many artists and those who seek to make careers out of their imaginations/imaginings rather than who they are or how how they come across in the real world. It's all about posing, putting on a show, making a bang-up job of it. But when does putting on an act lead to lying, posturing or denial end and transcendence, transformation though art, begin? Or maybe that's no the most elegant way to put it. There are dozens of aphorisms and such about how children at play are like little artists in the making, and I agree. This raises the issue of whether artists are like big kids at play. I believe there's truth on that as well. I'm getting rather OT here, however, so maybe it's time to call it quits...
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Post by Eλευθερί on Jan 16, 2018 1:43:05 GMT
If I like someone am I morally obligated to date them for a month first before I can make it clear I want to have sex with them? No. But I'll bet it helps in screening out the ones who are total nutjobs.
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