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Post by Tristan's Journal on Nov 3, 2017 16:46:19 GMT
Backlash? Not with reasonable people.
It is common sense that WW hits a tasteful and adequate balance between comedy and drama considering its CBM-nature and the setting of WW1. Dumbing it down (with laser battles and such)
So you're fine with magical strength enhancing gas...but not First Avenger being true to the comics instead of selling out and going for that "grounded" approach? what did I say about scratching that rash, sam?
Yeah I'm actually fine with "magical" gas thing if it serves an subordinate function in the stortelling, and unless it comes naturally out of characters rectums paired woth funny lines like "Hohoho, I have infamously smelly farts, just wait for the turd, bitch"
You forgot "bankrupt" btw.
yeah, some characters had some serious plot amour, but when dead they stayed dead, and their deaths had relevance for the character development and arcs. Very solid writing.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2017 16:53:59 GMT
If other people's opinions offend you this much you are welcome to not post on this board and belittle fans. Either that or grow thicker skin.
Grow up or go home.
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Post by formersamhmd on Nov 3, 2017 17:07:53 GMT
[quote author=" Tristan's Journal " timestamp="1509727579" source="/post/1036074/thread[/p] Yeah I'm actually fine with "magical" gas thing if it serves an subordinate function in the stortelling, [/quote] So double standard then.[/p]
And you must hate Dune then, considering how important Worm Excrement was to the plot.
Trevor will be back.
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Post by ThatGuy on Nov 3, 2017 19:28:38 GMT
You guys aren't getting what's going on here. This is not about him not liking the comedy that's in the MCU. That's an excuse. Something to point the finger at. He doesn't care about the comedy. What he cares about is why people don't care much about the movie series he likes. If X-men was the most popular series over the MCU and the DCEU then he would have no problem. But since people aren't flocking out to see the X-men movies then there is a problem.
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Post by sdrew13163 on Nov 3, 2017 21:20:56 GMT
Just to clarify to everyone saying that they just want to have fun at the movies: a movie can be fun without actually being funny.
Jurassic Park isn't all that funny. 300 isn't funny. The Empire Strikes Back uses humor very sparingly. The Lord of the Rings trilogy made billions and inspired young people everywhere while still being serious most of the time.
Even The Winter Soldier only has one or two genuinely funny scenes.
The one thing that unites all those (and many more) listed above is moderation. They have humor, which is great, but they don't intrude on the intense or dramatic moments.
As one YouTube video essayist put it, Marvel (ever since GotG) has used so many jokes that they are now afraid of becoming the butt of their own joke. They don't want to get serious because that's who their heroes make fun of and oppose in the grand scheme of things.
I love their movies, I just really think we would have some more timeless classics if they just put aside the humor to make a few more genuine moments of emotion and intensity.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Nov 3, 2017 21:41:14 GMT
Just to clarify to everyone saying that they just want to have fun at the movies: a movie can be fun without actually being funny. Jurassic Park isn't all that funny. 300 isn't funny. The Empire Strikes Back uses humor very sparingly. The Lord of the Rings trilogy made billions and inspired young people everywhere while still being serious most of the time. thank you for pointing that out. The term "fun" was hijacked by the lunatics thinking they know how to run the asylum. Having fun is very subjective. I have more fun with a solid horror film than I ever had with any MCU film, not that MCU films aren't a horror of their own, but that's a different story...
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Post by formersamhmd on Nov 3, 2017 21:43:04 GMT
Just to clarify to everyone saying that they just want to have fun at the movies: a movie can be fun without actually being funny. Jurassic Park isn't all that funny. 300 isn't funny. The Empire Strikes Back uses humor very sparingly. The Lord of the Rings trilogy made billions and inspired young people everywhere while still being serious most of the time. Even The Winter Soldier only has one or two genuinely funny scenes. The one thing that unites all those (and many more) listed above is moderation. They have humor, which is great, but they don't intrude on the intense or dramatic moments. As one YouTube video essayist put it, Marvel (ever since GotG) has used so many jokes that they are now afraid of becoming the butt of their own joke. They don't want to get serious because that's who their heroes make fun of and oppose in the grand scheme of things. I love their movies, I just really think we would have some more timeless classics if they just put aside the humor to make a few more genuine moments of emotion and intensity. When you take something too self-seriously, you end up with something like Battlefield Earth.
Anyways, look at movies like Ghostbusters and Beetlejuice. They're loaded with jokes and are classics.
I don't recall Civil War having that much humor.
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Post by sdrew13163 on Nov 3, 2017 21:54:07 GMT
Just to clarify to everyone saying that they just want to have fun at the movies: a movie can be fun without actually being funny. Jurassic Park isn't all that funny. 300 isn't funny. The Empire Strikes Back uses humor very sparingly. The Lord of the Rings trilogy made billions and inspired young people everywhere while still being serious most of the time. Even The Winter Soldier only has one or two genuinely funny scenes. The one thing that unites all those (and many more) listed above is moderation. They have humor, which is great, but they don't intrude on the intense or dramatic moments. As one YouTube video essayist put it, Marvel (ever since GotG) has used so many jokes that they are now afraid of becoming the butt of their own joke. They don't want to get serious because that's who their heroes make fun of and oppose in the grand scheme of things. I love their movies, I just really think we would have some more timeless classics if they just put aside the humor to make a few more genuine moments of emotion and intensity. When you take something too self-seriously, you end up with something like Battlefield Earth.
Anyways, look at movies like Ghostbusters and Beetlejuice. They're loaded with jokes and are classics.
I don't recall Civil War having that much humor.
I agree, many great movies are also very funny (Groundhog Day, The Princess Bride, Back to the Future, etc), but I like more moderation when it comes to a straight-up action superhero movie. It's a personal taste thing, I know, but I just think that most people would get more out of Marvel movies if there's a better emotional connection to certain scenes and characters. Take, for instance, the scene in SM: Homecoming where Peter is stuck under the rubble. It was a really good scene and the emotional value of Peter rising out of the rubble was so much greater because it showed who he was. At the most basic level, he's a scared and confused teenager that wouldn't stop to make a joke or do something funny while his life and many others are on the line. That kind of restraint is all I'm asking for. I don't want the heroes to start dropping like flies or start murdering innocent civilians or anything like that. I just wish they'd tone the humor down when there's supposed to be something for the audience to connect to.
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Post by ThatGuy on Nov 3, 2017 22:50:55 GMT
Just to clarify to everyone saying that they just want to have fun at the movies: a movie can be fun without actually being funny. Jurassic Park isn't all that funny. 300 isn't funny. The Empire Strikes Back uses humor very sparingly. The Lord of the Rings trilogy made billions and inspired young people everywhere while still being serious most of the time. Even The Winter Soldier only has one or two genuinely funny scenes. The one thing that unites all those (and many more) listed above is moderation. They have humor, which is great, but they don't intrude on the intense or dramatic moments. As one YouTube video essayist put it, Marvel (ever since GotG) has used so many jokes that they are now afraid of becoming the butt of their own joke. They don't want to get serious because that's who their heroes make fun of and oppose in the grand scheme of things. I love their movies, I just really think we would have some more timeless classics if they just put aside the humor to make a few more genuine moments of emotion and intensity. I don't know, with all the humor in Ragnarok, there was a striking scene of emotion. Hell, Guardians 2 had a lot of emotional scenes. I think it's more that the humor is more memorable that it overshadows the emotional scenes. But then you have a movie like Logan that's all emotional scenes and very little humor, so that's what is memorable to you.
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Post by ThatGuy on Nov 3, 2017 23:04:59 GMT
When you take something too self-seriously, you end up with something like Battlefield Earth.
Anyways, look at movies like Ghostbusters and Beetlejuice. They're loaded with jokes and are classics.
I don't recall Civil War having that much humor.
I agree, many great movies are also very funny (Groundhog Day, The Princess Bride, Back to the Future, etc), but I like more moderation when it comes to a straight-up action superhero movie. It's a personal taste thing, I know, but I just think that most people would get more out of Marvel movies if there's a better emotional connection to certain scenes and characters. Take, for instance, the scene in SM: Homecoming where Peter is stuck under the rubble. It was a really good scene and the emotional value of Peter rising out of the rubble was so much greater because it showed who he was. At the most basic level, he's a scared and confused teenager that wouldn't stop to make a joke or do something funny while his life and many others are on the line. That kind of restraint is all I'm asking for. I don't want the heroes to start dropping like flies or start murdering innocent civilians or anything like that. I just wish they'd tone the humor down when there's supposed to be something for the audience to connect to. A lot of the movies aren't straight up action superhero movies. They're more action comedy. Some of them are even comedic action. But, at the same time, it's not really the characters that are making a joke or trying to be funny, but how it is framed to us. There were quite a bit of moments in Thor 3 that, to the characters, wouldn't be funny. To us, though, has us laughing at what is happening. I mean, I want to see Hulk, Groot and Spider-man interact now. That would be hilarious. And back to your example of Spider-man and coming out of the rubble. You can make that scene funny without having him say or do anything funny. Do something like him standing there rocking back and forth from exhaustion and do a heavy sigh/shoulder shrug to get his bearings back. It's not a funny moment to him, but us looking at it it would probably look funny. Especially if there was no music.
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Post by sdrew13163 on Nov 3, 2017 23:21:23 GMT
Just to clarify to everyone saying that they just want to have fun at the movies: a movie can be fun without actually being funny. Jurassic Park isn't all that funny. 300 isn't funny. The Empire Strikes Back uses humor very sparingly. The Lord of the Rings trilogy made billions and inspired young people everywhere while still being serious most of the time. Even The Winter Soldier only has one or two genuinely funny scenes. The one thing that unites all those (and many more) listed above is moderation. They have humor, which is great, but they don't intrude on the intense or dramatic moments. As one YouTube video essayist put it, Marvel (ever since GotG) has used so many jokes that they are now afraid of becoming the butt of their own joke. They don't want to get serious because that's who their heroes make fun of and oppose in the grand scheme of things. I love their movies, I just really think we would have some more timeless classics if they just put aside the humor to make a few more genuine moments of emotion and intensity. I don't know, with all the humor in Ragnarok, there was a striking scene of emotion. Hell, Guardians 2 had a lot of emotional scenes. I think it's more that the humor is more memorable that it overshadows the emotional scenes. But then you have a movie like Logan that's all emotional scenes and very little humor, so that's what is memorable to you. I see what you mean. I even agree to a certain extent, but that's also part of the problem I have with the humor: it overshadows everything else.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2017 0:09:33 GMT
If the humor is done right and its actually really funny ...fine but its no secret that the MCU over does it and packs in a TON of lame one liners & cringeworthy jokes to break tension (GotG Vol 2 is highly guilty of this. just terrible ) . Its become very stale imo. I haven't seen Thor 3 yet but will get around to it eventually. But it sounds like they don't raise the stakes too much . Hulk & Thor fighting each other again? How original .
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2017 0:12:07 GMT
I do agree with some of the comments in here that The Winter Soldier had a great mix of humor and actual tension . a good balance . (even though Black Widow cracking jokes every time got a little old, its still better than a lot of the other MCU cookie cutter /assembly line crap they've been shoveling out )
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2017 0:15:19 GMT
Just to clarify to everyone saying that they just want to have fun at the movies: a movie can be fun without actually being funny. Jurassic Park isn't all that funny. 300 isn't funny. The Empire Strikes Back uses humor very sparingly. The Lord of the Rings trilogy made billions and inspired young people everywhere while still being serious most of the time. Even The Winter Soldier only has one or two genuinely funny scenes. The one thing that unites all those (and many more) listed above is moderation. They have humor, which is great, but they don't intrude on the intense or dramatic moments. As one YouTube video essayist put it, Marvel (ever since GotG) has used so many jokes that they are now afraid of becoming the butt of their own joke. They don't want to get serious because that's who their heroes make fun of and oppose in the grand scheme of things. I love their movies, I just really think we would have some more timeless classics if they just put aside the humor to make a few more genuine moments of emotion and intensity. Okay, seriously, no other series on Earth has ever been lambasted for being "too funny." Get over it.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2017 0:37:17 GMT
Agreed but I didn’t like Logan and it had nothing to do with it being dark.
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Post by Skaathar on Nov 4, 2017 0:43:12 GMT
Just to clarify to everyone saying that they just want to have fun at the movies: a movie can be fun without actually being funny. Jurassic Park isn't all that funny. 300 isn't funny. The Empire Strikes Back uses humor very sparingly. The Lord of the Rings trilogy made billions and inspired young people everywhere while still being serious most of the time. thank you for pointing that out. The term "fun" was hijacked by the lunatics thinking they know how to run the asylum. Having fun is very subjective. I have more fun with a solid horror film than I ever had with any MCU film, not that MCU films aren't a horror of their own, but that's a different story... Same way the terms "childish" and "mature" have been hijacked by insecure teens trying to prove themselves.
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Post by egon1982 on Nov 4, 2017 0:47:37 GMT
Just to clarify to everyone saying that they just want to have fun at the movies: a movie can be fun without actually being funny. Jurassic Park isn't all that funny. 300 isn't funny. The Empire Strikes Back uses humor very sparingly. The Lord of the Rings trilogy made billions and inspired young people everywhere while still being serious most of the time. Even The Winter Soldier only has one or two genuinely funny scenes. The one thing that unites all those (and many more) listed above is moderation. They have humor, which is great, but they don't intrude on the intense or dramatic moments. As one YouTube video essayist put it, Marvel (ever since GotG) has used so many jokes that they are now afraid of becoming the butt of their own joke. They don't want to get serious because that's who their heroes make fun of and oppose in the grand scheme of things. I love their movies, I just really think we would have some more timeless classics if they just put aside the humor to make a few more genuine moments of emotion and intensity. When you take something too self-seriously, you end up with something like Battlefield Earth.
Anyways, look at movies like Ghostbusters and Beetlejuice. They're loaded with jokes and are classics.
I don't recall Civil War having that much humor.
Cops tell jokes, the pope tells jokes, teachers tell jokes, soliders even in WWII/Vietnam tell jokes etc.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Nov 4, 2017 6:06:59 GMT
Cops fart, the pope farts, teachers fart, soliders even in WWII/Vietnam fart etc.
Mandarins poop, Raccoons poop, Beefcakes poop, even Spiders poop poop (head)...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2017 6:29:30 GMT
Cops fart, the pope farts, teachers fart, soliders even in WWII/Vietnam fart etc. Mandarins poop, Raccoons poop, Beefcakes poop, even Spiders poop poop (head)...
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Post by SuperDevilDoctor on Nov 4, 2017 6:41:53 GMT
As they increasingly go the "nothing in this film is serious, including the stakes" route, it is inevitable that the MCU will devolve into little more than 1980's FLASH GORDON, only with better FX.
Inevitable.
(WINTER SOLDIER remains the best MCU film.)
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