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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Nov 4, 2017 6:56:20 GMT
As they increasingly go the "nothing in this film is serious, including the stakes" route, it is inevitable that the MCU will devolve into little more than 1980's FLASH GORDON, only with better FX. Inevitable. (WINTER SOLDIER remains the best MCU film.) The majority of the comedy in the MCU is really reactionary and not really designed to be outright farcical in the same sense as, say, the bathroom scene in Dumb and Dumber. I'll admit there have been a few times when I've seen a MCU movie where a few comical parts I felt were over-doing it, but I've never thought the stakes or subject matter was handled lightly.
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Nov 4, 2017 7:25:09 GMT
Disney is going to make money from merchandise or China or some other thing. Even if audiences in the West totally boycotted the films they would not change.
Did audiences ask for Kardashians? No and yet they have tv shows and get paid very well. If you want to go out and see a movie, you only have the choices available by Hollywood. Its either that or watch something old. I think for modern audiences-especially younger people who are happy to watch a movie on a cell phone, a movie is just a noisy distraction they will soon forget about.
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Post by formersamhmd on Nov 4, 2017 13:20:22 GMT
As they increasingly go the "nothing in this film is serious, including the stakes" route, it is inevitable that the MCU will devolve into little more than 1980's FLASH GORDON, only with better FX. Inevitable. (WINTER SOLDIER remains the best MCU film.) Ah yes, the "lack of stakes" complaint again. They aren't going to execute the entire cast and end the world every movie, deal with it.
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Post by SuperDevilDoctor on Nov 4, 2017 15:30:52 GMT
Not "lack of stakes"...
More like: "Hey, let's crack all kinds of jokes in the midst of genocide on a planetary scale."
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Post by formersamhmd on Nov 4, 2017 17:32:40 GMT
Not "lack of stakes"... More like: "Hey, let's crack all kinds of jokes in the midst of genocide on a planetary scale." WWI soldiers made jokes in the middle of getting shelled. It happens. It's called Gallow's Humor.
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Post by ThatGuy on Nov 4, 2017 20:59:11 GMT
I don't know, with all the humor in Ragnarok, there was a striking scene of emotion. Hell, Guardians 2 had a lot of emotional scenes. I think it's more that the humor is more memorable that it overshadows the emotional scenes. But then you have a movie like Logan that's all emotional scenes and very little humor, so that's what is memorable to you. I see what you mean. I even agree to a certain extent, but that's also part of the problem I have with the humor: it overshadows everything else. But that is the point. The movies are action/adventure. They aren't meant to be some overly emotional piece of art. They give you the emotional scenes needed to get you (and keep you) invested then get on with the action/adventure. The X-men movies try too hard to keep you emotionally invested with almost every scene. They are to the point where they are just reusing the same emotional points over and over.
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Post by ThatGuy on Nov 4, 2017 21:20:24 GMT
Not "lack of stakes"... More like: "Hey, let's crack all kinds of jokes in the midst of genocide on a planetary scale." Has there ever been a time when they actually cracked jokes during a tense moment? Well, besides Stark? Or are you looking at moments when a character has said something that can be seen as funny? Has there ever been a moment when a bunch of characters started laughing because someone said something "funny" in a tense moment? Or is it us that laughed because he said something we find funny to ease the tension? "That doesn't look like a party." Is a line said out of fear from a character seeing a huge flying space worm coming at her. It was a line to ease tension. Ragnarok had a lot of humor that was meant to circumvent expectations. You've seen this before or you know this character can do this, but what if it didn't go as planned? Valkyrie's initial appearance was seen as funny because of the movie it was in. But if you had the scene as is in a DC movie or an X-men movie, would it be seen as funny as it was?
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Post by summers8 on Nov 4, 2017 21:23:24 GMT
I told y'all there will be a blood bath this weekend with fans and casual audience. y'all are complaining of how there is too much jokes, no substance to the film at all and a non focused plot.
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Post by blockbusted on Nov 4, 2017 21:29:04 GMT
I told y'all there will be a blood bath this weekend with fans and casual audience. y'all are complaining of how there is too much jokes, no substance to the film at all and a non focused plot. Casual audience, my @$$!
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Post by ThatGuy on Nov 4, 2017 21:30:18 GMT
I told y'all there will be a blood bath this weekend with fans and casual audience. y'all are complaining of how there is too much jokes, no substance to the film at all and a non focused plot. The movie had plenty of substance and a very focused plot. It knew where it was and where it was going and where it wanted to be.
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Post by PreachCaleb on Nov 6, 2017 16:15:31 GMT
I think the confusion here seems to be some people think you can only enjoy one type of movie. Fun or serious.
You can like both. You can like one over the other. You can like them both equally.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Nov 6, 2017 16:42:34 GMT
Yeah because that stupid slo mo Quicksilver Twinkie scene (played for laughs)in Ivan Ooze RIGHT JUST AFTER Havok's death didn't destroy any emotion or dramatic tension, or Magneto comically tapping his helmet (and smiling)when he was about to sacrifice both Xavier and Jason both Mutants and one who he claims is a friend to die in Stryker's cerebro in X2, or right after Strikers attack on the X-Mansion where several mutant kids have been captured for experimentation and Wolverine ,Iceman, Rogue barely escaped in cyclops car, there is a stupid N'Sync song joke. Or the "you had some really bad acid" bit after Wolverine's traumatic breakdown and the Xavier "F@ck off" line in DOFP or the "Who the F@ck are you" line during the scene where Magneto is supposed to be getting revenge for his family's death in Ivan Ooze. Stop acting like the FOX-Men crap doesn't exploit certain dramatic moments with cheap, bad or out of place humor. Quicksilver was unaware of Havoks whereabouts. You think Magneto tapping his helmet was a joke? If it is a joke then its a subtle one as he uses no dialogue but moreover hes simply showing the audience why mastermind cant get into his head. Plus magneto taps Xaviers chair and says goodbye charles as a sign of slight remorse. That N-Sync "joke" is comic relief once the immediate tension has passed and isnt overplayed, something Disney MCU dont understand. Really bad acid line was funny because he was trying to calm Wolverine down when his mind was being shifted. Who tf are you from Magneto il give you that, it was out of place. Point is, weve not seen anything in X-men remotely close to some of the gags during (not before or after) serious moments in Disneys MCU. Are you serious? It's the audience you have to take into consideration, we're the ones watching the story play out. It has nothing to do with a character's POV. Never mind Havok, the entire school is being destroyed in slow motion with countless lives at risk and the entire thing is played for laughs. You cannot defend this sequence and bitch about misplaced humor in Marvel movies. If it's off in one, it's off in the other as well. Grow up and stop taking sides in lame fan wars.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2017 17:28:36 GMT
I think the confusion here seems to be some people think you can only enjoy one type of movie. Fun or serious. You can like both. You can like one over the other. You can like them both equally. 100% agree with you. But that's a thing, fanboys don't understand, and never be able to be. Because they are such one-sided bores.
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Post by kuatorises on Nov 6, 2017 17:29:38 GMT
All of the people going to see these movies whilst avoiding darker, deeper films like Logan are shallow idiots who seem to only want to experience two emotions in life.... Crying over the death of a loved - if that and laughing at silly, shallow, pointless slap-stick humor. They really aren't much deeper than that. What's sad is that Logan has far better humor, "She's 11 - I'm fcking 90" than anything in the MCU and yet, all people want is to laugh throughout the whole movie. They don't want to deal with reality or else it's too much drama and therefore, it's too BORING. Logan is not funnier than an MCU movie, that's just a ludicrous statement. Don't watch then? If you're that unhappy with the product, don't waste your time on. However, I do have to point out the use it to things that are untrue. The notion that deeper and darker is better, and that MCU movies are completely void of these tones and themes, is simply wrong. Civil War, The Avengers, The Winter Soldier, and pretty much most of all three Iron Man movies are not this "sitcom" stuff you are talking about. Hell, both GOTG movies are pretty got damn sad at times.
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Post by ThatGuy on Nov 6, 2017 17:50:47 GMT
All of the people going to see these movies whilst avoiding darker, deeper films like Logan are shallow idiots who seem to only want to experience two emotions in life.... Crying over the death of a loved - if that and laughing at silly, shallow, pointless slap-stick humor. They really aren't much deeper than that. What's sad is that Logan has far better humor, "She's 11 - I'm fcking 90" than anything in the MCU and yet, all people want is to laugh throughout the whole movie. They don't want to deal with reality or else it's too much drama and therefore, it's too BORING. Logan is not funnier than an MCU movie, that's just a ludicrous statement. Don't watch then? If you're that unhappy with the product, don't waste your time on. However, I do have to point out the use it to things that are untrue. The notion that deeper and darker is better, and that MCU movies are completely void of these tones and themes, is simply wrong. Civil War, The Avengers, The Winter Soldier, and pretty much most of all three Iron Man movies are not this "sitcom" stuff you are talking about. Hell, both GOTG movies are pretty got damn sad at times. Like I said before, they are missing the trees for the forest. If they see that the movie is pretty humorous then there is nothing deep about the movie. If the movie is sorta straight laced then the entire is movie is deep and has like no humor. And I'm really disappointed that he finds a man commenting on the fact that he's old and there is a child with them and they should rest and eat funny.
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Post by summers8 on Nov 6, 2017 19:06:58 GMT
I do feel like Marvel over does it with the comedy. The Winter Soldier had a good balance to it. And the reason winter soldier is called their best movie to date.
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Post by formersamhmd on Nov 6, 2017 19:18:11 GMT
I do feel like Marvel over does it with the comedy. The Winter Soldier had a good balance to it. And the reason winter soldier is called their best movie to date. Not anymore, these days they have several that are considered the "best". But the sheer variety means that WS can be the one that the people who can't admit they enjoy CBMs can cling to.
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