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Post by Nalkarj on Nov 5, 2017 0:21:48 GMT
Hey, after sostie 's Alfred question, it was almost inevitable! ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) The requirement here is that the movies be live-action; I originally intended for the choices only to be movies (which is why Adam West's presence on this list is warranted not by the delightfully goofy TV show but by the equally goofy movie), but the OnStar commercials seem such an extension of the Burton-Schumacher pictures that I threw them in here too. Please note that I am not asking for your favorite Batman movie of the choices offered, merely your favorite Batman portrayal. That is to say, who do you think best exemplified the character? Again, the portrayal, the Batman character, not the movie. So, without much further ado... (You may choose up to three.)
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2017 0:52:10 GMT
Adam West and Christian Bale. West for being so completely different from what we commonly associate with Batman, but in a good way. And Bale, for being pretty much the only Batman of the last 30 years to really feel like a superhero.
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Post by scabab on Nov 5, 2017 1:06:31 GMT
As an overall package Christian Bale. He was the best Bruce Wayne by far. He was also a good Batman even if he wasn't the most comic accurate.
I think Ben Affleck is a good Batman in the way of how the character looks and acts too but his Bruce Wayne isn't particularly noteworthy.
Michael Keaton also had a good balance like Christian Bale but perhaps on a slightly lower level.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2017 1:08:05 GMT
I think Ben Affleck is a good Batman in the way of how the character looks and acts too but his Bruce Wayne isn't particularly noteworthy. Uh, last time I checked, Batman doesn't frequently murder all the criminals he comes across in the comics.
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Post by scabab on Nov 5, 2017 1:16:43 GMT
I think Ben Affleck is a good Batman in the way of how the character looks and acts too but his Bruce Wayne isn't particularly noteworthy. Uh, last time I checked, Batman doesn't frequently murder all the criminals he comes across in the comics. Meh I ain't really too picky about that. Michael Keaton's Batman killed plenty of people himself.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2017 1:20:43 GMT
Uh, last time I checked, Batman doesn't frequently murder all the criminals he comes across in the comics. Meh I ain't really too picky about that. Michael Keaton's Batman killed plenty of people himself. You should be, considering that's what's separates him from the criminal lowlifes he fights. If he just kills everyone in his path, he's no different from The Joker.
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Post by scabab on Nov 5, 2017 1:25:02 GMT
Meh I ain't really too picky about that. Michael Keaton's Batman killed plenty of people himself. You should be, considering that's what's separates him from the criminal lowlifes he fights. If he just kills everyone in his path, he's no different from The Joker. Like I said, it was never really something that bothered me. Iron Man and Captain America have killed loads of people in their movies. People also complained about that at the time as well. I just see them as being like James Bond or something, he kills people all the time but they're only bad guys so who cares.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2017 1:30:21 GMT
You should be, considering that's what's separates him from the criminal lowlifes he fights. If he just kills everyone in his path, he's no different from The Joker. Like I said, it was never really something that bothered me. Iron Man and Captain America have killed loads of people in their movies. People also complained about that at the time as well. I just see them as being like James Bond or something, he kills people all the time but they're only bad guys so who cares. Iron Man and Captain America are usually up against terrorists or supervillains at least on their own scale. Batman is usually up against petty criminals with gimmicks. In the case of Batman, its very important that he has the moral high ground. That's why the DCEU Batman is an utter failure. There is nothing that separates him from the likes of The Joker and Harley Quinn. Dead Shot is a more believable superhero than the DCEU Batman. At least Dead Shot didn't hide behind a little girl. James Bond has a license to what he does and is always up against rogue nation agents or terrorists.
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Post by scabab on Nov 5, 2017 1:36:17 GMT
Like I said, it was never really something that bothered me. Iron Man and Captain America have killed loads of people in their movies. People also complained about that at the time as well. I just see them as being like James Bond or something, he kills people all the time but they're only bad guys so who cares. Iron Man and Captain America are usually up against terrorists or supervillains at least on their own scale. Batman is usually up against petty criminals with gimmicks. In the case of Batman, its very important that he has the moral high ground. That's why the DCEU Batman is an utter failure. There is nothing that separates him from the likes of The Joker and Harley Quinn. Dead Shot is a more believable superhero than the DCEU Batman. At least Dead Shot didn't hide behind a little girl. James Bond has a license to what he does and is always up against rogue nation agents or terrorists. That sounds like a convenient excuse. Iron Man and Captain America killed armed bad guys. Batman also killed armed bad guys. Batman kills criminals who are a threat to innocent people. Joker and Harley Quinn kill innocent people, that's exactly what separates them. You may as well say a Cop is no different from a Criminal. Batman also didn't hide behind a girl anyway, she threw herself infront of him.
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Post by Ban on Nov 5, 2017 1:38:19 GMT
Conroy and Keaton. Affleck isn't half bad tho.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2017 1:39:12 GMT
Iron Man and Captain America are usually up against terrorists or supervillains at least on their own scale. Batman is usually up against petty criminals with gimmicks. In the case of Batman, its very important that he has the moral high ground. That's why the DCEU Batman is an utter failure. There is nothing that separates him from the likes of The Joker and Harley Quinn. Dead Shot is a more believable superhero than the DCEU Batman. At least Dead Shot didn't hide behind a little girl. James Bond has a license to what he does and is always up against rogue nation agents or terrorists. That sounds like a convenient excuse. Iron Man and Captain America killed armed bad guys. Batman also killed armed bad guys. Batman kills criminals who are a threat to innocent people. Joker and Harley Quinn kill innocent people, that's exactly what separates them. You may as well say a Cop is no different from a Criminal. Batman also didn't hide behind a girl anyway, she threw herself infront of him. Its not an excuse. The villains Iron Man and Captain America go up against are in no way equivalent to Gotham's mob. They tend to be a hundredfold more dangerous than anything Batman goes up against. Oh, so how come The Joker and Harley Quinn are still alive? They should have been first on his hit list long before any of the petty crooks in BvS, yet they're both still alive and still allowed to be threats to people. Yet in Suicide Squad he only tries to arrest them. Yes, he did. He attacked Dead Shot because he knew he'd be less likely to put up a fight with his daughter around.
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Post by scabab on Nov 5, 2017 1:45:28 GMT
That sounds like a convenient excuse. Iron Man and Captain America killed armed bad guys. Batman also killed armed bad guys. Batman kills criminals who are a threat to innocent people. Joker and Harley Quinn kill innocent people, that's exactly what separates them. You may as well say a Cop is no different from a Criminal. Batman also didn't hide behind a girl anyway, she threw herself infront of him. Its not an excuse. The villains Iron Man and Captain America go up against are in no way equivalent to Gotham's mob. They tend to be a hundredfold more dangerous than anything Batman goes up against. Oh, so how come The Joker and Harley Quinn are still alive? They should have been first on his hit list long before any of the petty crooks in BvS, yet they're both still alive and still allowed to be threats to people. Yet in Suicide Squad he only tries to arrest them. Yes, he did. He attacked Dead Shot because he knew he'd be less likely to put up a fight with his daughter around. They're the same. Iron Man killed a whole bunch of armed terrorists in the Middle East. He and Captain America have killed a bunch of other armed Solider. Batman killed armed henchmen in Batman vs Superman as well. Superman killed Zod and people bitched and moaned about that and he was on a completely different level to anyone that Iron Man or Captain America ever came across. Joker and Harley Quinn weren't unarmed. Harley Quinn was trapped underwater, knocking her out was enough there was no need to kill her and we didn't see what happened with the Joker because he got away. Or maybe it also meant less people being in danger if his daughter is around as he wouldn't be shooting all over the place.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2017 1:49:19 GMT
Its not an excuse. The villains Iron Man and Captain America go up against are in no way equivalent to Gotham's mob. They tend to be a hundredfold more dangerous than anything Batman goes up against. Oh, so how come The Joker and Harley Quinn are still alive? They should have been first on his hit list long before any of the petty crooks in BvS, yet they're both still alive and still allowed to be threats to people. Yet in Suicide Squad he only tries to arrest them. Yes, he did. He attacked Dead Shot because he knew he'd be less likely to put up a fight with his daughter around. They're the same. Iron Man killed a whole bunch of armed terrorists in the Middle East. He and Captain America have killed a bunch of other armed Solider. Batman killed armed henchmen in Batman vs Superman as well. Superman killed Zod and people bitched and moaned about that and he was on a completely different level to anyone that Iron Man or Captain America ever came across. Joker and Harley Quinn weren't unarmed. Harley Quinn was trapped underwater, knocking her out was enough there was no need to kill her and we didn't see what happened with the Joker because he got away. Or maybe it also meant less people being in danger if his daughter is around as he wouldn't be shooting all over the place. No, they're not. Terrorists in the Middle East have consistently shown themselves to be far more dangerous than a common street thug. Both in comics and in real life. Yeah, and it was shitty of Batman to do considering he could take them down without killing them. That's the point. Yeah, and it sucked that they had Superman kill on his first outing, and then tried to make a big deal out of it when they didn't establish him as a Boy Scout who doesn't kill. Joker and Harley WERE armed. No, Batman ambushed him while he was with his daughter to cow him.
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Post by sdrew13163 on Nov 5, 2017 1:52:27 GMT
Bale is #1, but Keaton is a close #2.
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Post by scabab on Nov 5, 2017 1:58:29 GMT
They're the same. Iron Man killed a whole bunch of armed terrorists in the Middle East. He and Captain America have killed a bunch of other armed Solider. Batman killed armed henchmen in Batman vs Superman as well. Superman killed Zod and people bitched and moaned about that and he was on a completely different level to anyone that Iron Man or Captain America ever came across. Joker and Harley Quinn weren't unarmed. Harley Quinn was trapped underwater, knocking her out was enough there was no need to kill her and we didn't see what happened with the Joker because he got away. Or maybe it also meant less people being in danger if his daughter is around as he wouldn't be shooting all over the place. No, they're not. Terrorists in the Middle East have consistently shown themselves to be far more dangerous than a common street thug. Both in comics and in real life. Yeah, and it was shitty of Batman to do considering he could take them down without killing them. That's the point. Yeah, and it sucked that they had Superman kill on his first outing, and then tried to make a big deal out of it when they didn't establish him as a Boy Scout who doesn't kill. Joker and Harley WERE armed. No, Batman ambushed him while he was with her daughter to cow him. But they weren't common street thugs. The people that Batman killed were professional mercenaries, far more dangerous than some middle eastern terrorist with a gun. Batman took a whole bunch of them out in the warehouse without killing them. Harley had a gun but when she went underwater she lost it and only had a knife at which point there was no need to kill her. They were just I same people, not mercenaries with machine guns and rocket launchers. Yeah that's just your assumption that's not gonna go anywhere.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2017 2:00:24 GMT
No, they're not. Terrorists in the Middle East have consistently shown themselves to be far more dangerous than a common street thug. Both in comics and in real life. Yeah, and it was shitty of Batman to do considering he could take them down without killing them. That's the point. Yeah, and it sucked that they had Superman kill on his first outing, and then tried to make a big deal out of it when they didn't establish him as a Boy Scout who doesn't kill. Joker and Harley WERE armed. No, Batman ambushed him while he was with her daughter to cow him. But they weren't common street thugs. The people that Batman killed were professional mercenaries, far more dangerous than some middle eastern terrorist with a gun. Batman took a whole bunch of them out in the warehouse without killing them. Harley had a gun but when she went underwater she lost it and only had a knife at which point there was no need to kill her. They were just I same people, not mercenaries with machine guns and rocket launchers. Yeah that's just your assumption that's not gonna go anywhere. Batman's taken worse than that alive. No, he killed those guys. Yeah, and by your logic, he should have just killed them both while they were driving in the car. Its evident on the screen why Batman ambushed them when he did. You're the only one arguing with me about it.
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Post by scabab on Nov 5, 2017 2:08:49 GMT
But they weren't common street thugs. The people that Batman killed were professional mercenaries, far more dangerous than some middle eastern terrorist with a gun. Batman took a whole bunch of them out in the warehouse without killing them. Harley had a gun but when she went underwater she lost it and only had a knife at which point there was no need to kill her. They were just I same people, not mercenaries with machine guns and rocket launchers. Yeah that's just your assumption that's not gonna go anywhere. Batman's taken worse than that alive. No, he killed those guys. Yeah, and by your logic, he should have just killed them both while they were driving in the car. Its evident on the screen why Batman ambushed them when he did. You're the only one arguing with me about it. And Iron Man and Captain America have taken out worse people than middle eastern terrorists and hydra soldiers alive as well. He killed a couple by knocking back a grenade but not all of them. Nothing Keaton's Batman wouldn't have done. What logic? They had a pistol between them and they were driving fast down the road. Well you brought it up out the blue when it had nothing to do with what I said in the first place. I never even mentioned Deadshot.
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Post by Nalkarj on Nov 5, 2017 2:11:23 GMT
scabab and @weirdraptor Sorry to be the party-pooper, fellas, but may we settle our differences at the moment or, if not, start a new thread? Not that I want this one to lack fair and robust debate, but it seems we're getting a trifle off-topic. ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png)
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Post by scabab on Nov 5, 2017 2:13:09 GMT
Yeah I'm sorry about that, I'll let it go.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2017 2:16:41 GMT
Batman's taken worse than that alive. No, he killed those guys. Yeah, and by your logic, he should have just killed them both while they were driving in the car. Its evident on the screen why Batman ambushed them when he did. You're the only one arguing with me about it. And Iron Man and Captain America have taken out worse people than middle eastern terrorists and hydra soldiers alive as well. He killed a couple by knocking back a grenade but not all of them. Nothing Keaton's Batman wouldn't have done. What logic? They had a pistol between them and they were driving fast down the road. Well you brought it up out the blue when it had nothing to do with what I said in the first place. I never even mentioned Deadshot. Yeah, because they try to minimize casualties and only kill when they have to. He slammed that guy neck first into the floor and knocked a bunch of guys around with lethal force. You said "armed", as if it was the only qualifying element that required thugs to die by Batman's hands. I used to further drive home the point that the DCEU Batman has no moral high ground.
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