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Post by Vassaggo on Jan 5, 2018 13:08:28 GMT
And I am going to have to give my brother $20. After the second week I took the over on 660 million.
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Post by SuperDevilDoctor on Jan 5, 2018 14:27:08 GMT
Well, it passed LOGAN this week to become the 9th highest grossing film in the U.S. for 2017.
JUMANJI may well knock JL down to #10... but it will still be in the Top 10. (And LOGAN -- a terrific film, btw -- will assume the #11 slot.)
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2018 16:37:07 GMT
Its the biggest block buster failure in movie history. Underperforming by a billion. Lol no. Yes. That you are in denial as a fanboy thats fine but by pure name and reputation it should have made Avengers money. That was also the prediction by your beloved handegg fan. It is the biggest flop in history. Just accept the truth laddy. #teamcolden
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Post by scabab on Jan 5, 2018 16:53:42 GMT
Yes. That you are in denial as a fanboy thats fine but by pure name and reputation it should have made Avengers money. That was also the prediction by your beloved handegg fan. It is the biggest flop in history. Just accept the truth laddy. #teamcolden No. You just made another stupid comment again. It is not the biggest flop of all time. It is not the biggest box office failure of all time. That has not been reported anywhere or at any point. That is something that you just came up with not knowing any better. Should haves don't matter. It was never expected to make Avengers level money.
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Post by Vassaggo on Jan 5, 2018 17:20:13 GMT
Yes. That you are in denial as a fanboy thats fine but by pure name and reputation it should have made Avengers money. That was also the prediction by your beloved handegg fan. It is the biggest flop in history. Just accept the truth laddy. #teamcolden No. You just made another stupid comment again. It is not the biggest flop of all time. It is not the biggest box office failure of all time. That has not been reported anywhere or at any point. That is something that you just came up with not knowing any better. Should haves don't matter. It was never expected to make Avengers level money. If you go buy the metric of double production budget it made what 25m in theaters profit. If you add marketing it actually lost money. I think once dvd/premium cable/vod is added it might break even. So it is a flop. Not the biggest flop of all time though. I think the biggest insult I could level at the movie and the franchise is something you actually said. "It was never expected to make Avengers level money." Now I thought the movie was serviceable and I recommended it to my friends and family. The DCEU brand has fallen so far as it wasn't expected to be a big money and actually made less money than Doctor Strange. I don't even know how to react to that.
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Post by scabab on Jan 5, 2018 17:25:56 GMT
Shortly after it came out Forbes ran an article, which then !any other sites picked up on, saying Justice League was set to lose between $50-100 million.
That was based on the projection that it would gross $635 million. It's made more than that though so any loss would be less than that.
There's a whole bunch of movies that have lost drastically more money than that.
It's not even the biggest flop of this year, never mind of all time so yeah like I said, he just made an uneducated comment.
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Post by Vassaggo on Jan 5, 2018 17:38:20 GMT
Yeah I get that, but I just don't know how we came to be in a world that Justice League movie wasn't the biggest movie of the year. I mean I do know, basically ill will by the general audience members. (the diehards you already can bank on them watching) Half my comic book shelves are DC and Half Marvel. I'm not a fanboy of either side. WB/DC knows how to make a great movie, they've done it before. I don't know if the twisting and turning of the course corrections, the uneven tone, choppy editing, or two directors on the last flick is why DCEU has lost some of their good will. I am hoping Aquaman doesn't pull a Green Lantern because if it does WB will scrap the rest planned. They wait a few years and start over with Batman reboot again.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2018 17:41:05 GMT
Yes. That you are in denial as a fanboy thats fine but by pure name and reputation it should have made Avengers money. That was also the prediction by your beloved handegg fan. It is the biggest flop in history. Just accept the truth laddy. #teamcolden No. You just made another stupid comment again. It is not the biggest flop of all time. It is not the biggest box office failure of all time. That has not been reported anywhere or at any point. That is something that you just came up with not knowing any better. Should haves don't matter. It was never expected to make Avengers level money. Justice League is a bigger name than Avengers. Justice Leagues has bigger characters than Avengers. In not talking about official trackings and all that other shit you hide behind. Im talking about what you can expect as fans of the genre. You know, opinions. And in my book Justice League underperformed by a billion. Im sorry if you cannot stand the butthurt that gives you but name me an other film that underperformed by a billion dollars. Hey I liked the film and I will defenitely buy it on DVD (helping the profit for this) but it is a failure in the box office and a massive one at that. Btw are you allowed to call people stupid? Normally a mod will edit that kind of posting. Abuse of power spotted. #teamcolden (cause I aint #teamscabab)
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Post by Vassaggo on Jan 5, 2018 17:42:34 GMT
If I have to see the alleyway scene where Thomas and Martha die one more time I might scream. Even non-comic book fans know what happened to them.
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Jan 5, 2018 18:02:33 GMT
Forget about marketing cost and all of that stuff. No one outside of the accounting department of WB knows how much was spent on marketing. Even movies that totally bomb at the box office end up making money in the long run. Promotions, merchandising, product placement, DVD/Bluray, streaming and (still the biggest of all) TV rights all put money into the studio bank. I was Christmas shopping at Walmart and I saw a can of shaving cream with the Justice League on it.
Toys and T-shirts alone will give this movie a profit. We will all be seeing this on our cable guides every weekend for years to come just like we see all the other super hero movies.
I'll stick with the rule of thumb for box office success. That is if a movie makes double the production budget at the world wide box office then it is a box office success. that means the people involved in making it can put it on their resumes and the studio can make a sequel.
If it makes less then double the production budget than it is a flop.
I still have not seen any authoritative source state that the JL budget was $300 million. If that is true it is a crime because the film should have cost much less than that. Either way, it is a box office success.
Is it surprising that it makes less money than Marvel movies? I guess so but things change. I'm sure it was surprising when the Beatles made more money than whatever band had been super popular a few years earlier. Like I said things change.
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Post by scabab on Jan 5, 2018 18:03:46 GMT
Justice League is a bigger name than Avengers. Justice Leagues has bigger characters than Avengers. That there is the problem. That is not how Box Office works. Deadpool outgrossed Wolverine. Suicide Squad outgrossed Man of Steel. Guardians of the Galaxy outgrossed Captain America. It is not as straightforward as fame = money. They often don't know any better so that doesn't mean anything. You thought it should have made $1.6 billion so you think it underperformed by a billion. That's really your own fault for having unrealistic expectations. It was never in any conceivable way going to make that kind of money. But not close to being the biggest failure of all time. Justice League at least made more than double it's production budget. Last year's King Arthur didn't even gross it's production budget and was said to possibly lose $150 million, perhaps triple what Justice League will lose. I didn't call you stupid. I called your comment stupid because it is factually wrong.
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Post by Vassaggo on Jan 5, 2018 18:23:17 GMT
Forget about marketing cost and all of that stuff. No one outside of the accounting department of WB knows how much was spent on marketing. Even movies that totally bomb at the box office end up making money in the long run. Promotions, merchandising, product placement, DVD/Bluray, streaming and (still the biggest of all) TV rights all put money into the studio bank. I was Christmas shopping at Walmart and I saw a can of shaving cream with the Justice League on it. Toys and T-shirts alone will give this movie a profit. We will all be seeing this on our cable guides every weekend for years to come just like we see all the other super hero movies. I'll stick with the rule of thumb for box office success. That is if a movie makes double the production budget at the world wide box office then it is a box office success. that means the people involved in making it can put it on their resumes and the studio can make a sequel. If it makes less then double the production budget than it is a flop. I still have not seen any authoritative source state that the JL budget was $300 million. If that is true it is a crime because the film should have cost much less than that. Either way, it is a box office success. Is it surprising that it makes less money than Marvel movies? I guess so but things change. I'm sure it was surprising when the Beatles made more money than whatever band had been super popular a few years earlier. Like I said things change. All valid points. I know 300 million is what people are saying. (it may or may not be true) Let's say it is. And lets say that the secondary and tertiary money streams cover the marketing. That leaves 52 million that still is split ? So 26 million return on a 300million dollar investment. And yeah 8% return seems like a decent amount, but you will have to balance that with what money you could've made investing in something else. Also the creative capitol (directors, actors, writers etc) you could've used on another project. I hate to say this but even my 79 year old mother, who threw away my comic book collection when i was 12, knows about DCEU under-performing. That can taint the well too. If a big enough movie only breaks even/makes slight profit it does filter to "the Normal" people. And make them not trust what's next. I think under performing is to soft a term for Justice League. I think box office bomb is too hard. I think critical and financial flop is the right term. (again I'm not saying I disliked the film I'd give it a 6.5-7) That's just my opinion and not worth anything.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2018 18:30:45 GMT
Justice League is a bigger name than Avengers. Justice Leagues has bigger characters than Avengers. That there is the problem. That is not how Box Office works. Deadpool outgrossed Wolverine. Suicide Squad outgrossed Man of Steel. Guardians of the Galaxy outgrossed Captain America. It is not as straightforward as fame = money. They often don't know any better so that doesn't mean anything. You thought it should have made $1.6 billion so you think it underperformed by a billion. That's really your own fault for having unrealistic expectations. It was never in any conceivable way going to make that kind of money. But not close to being the biggest failure of all time. Justice League at least made more than double it's production budget. Last year's King Arthur didn't even gross it's production budget and was said to possibly lose $150 million, perhaps triple what Justice League will lose. I didn't call you stupid. I called your comment stupid because it is factually wrong. If opinions dont mean anything than why are there discussion board. Im gonna make this very simple. Justice League is the DC Avengers filled with bigger names than what Marvel has. The characters are more popular. They are iconic whatever that may mean. Purely based on that it should have been at least on par with Avengers. It is not by a billion. I call that the biggest flop in movie history. But hey, if Avengers Infinity War will make only a billion or even less it will take over that position. I dont give a fuck about trackings or official expectations. I just call it the way I see it. You may say its not but it is. #teamcolden
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2018 18:55:00 GMT
If opinions dont mean anything than why are there discussion board. But you didn't present your comment as opinion. You said this. "It hasnt made significant money. Its the biggest block buster failure in movie history. Underperforming by a billion" Which of course I could then only comment as being wrong. If you think it should have made Avengers money and you personally think it's the biggest box office failure ever then that's fine but again factually it isn't. But it so is. I wish you would be half as fierce when it comes to DC-Troll excuse me DC-Fan. Somehow Justice League doing very well at the box office is very important you. You are not really a DC fanboy are you? FYI I think JL deserved better than being the biggest movie flop of all time. It was a fun film. Much better than Wonder Woman or Man of Steel. And dont get me started on Martha and Hoolah girl. It so much deserved better. #teamcolden
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Post by scabab on Jan 6, 2018 7:28:51 GMT
Somehow Justice League doing very well at the box office is very important you. You are not really a DC fanboy are you? It's not important to me no. I have a general interest in Box Office is all. I liked the movie and I would have liked it have made more but it was a disappointment and that's all there is to it.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Jan 7, 2018 3:23:54 GMT
Somehow Justice League doing very well at the box office is very important you. You are not really a DC fanboy are you? It's not important to me no. I have a general interest in Box Office is all. I liked the movie and I would have liked it have made more but it was a disappointment and that's all there is to it. Disappointment is an understatement. It bombed. That's all there is to it. And "General Interest" said the man after 34 pages of responses on the topic.
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Post by scabab on Jan 7, 2018 8:34:20 GMT
Disappointment is an understatement. It bombed. That's all there is to it. And "General Interest" said the man after 34 pages of responses on the topic. It more than doubled its budget, for any other movie that would never be considered a bomb, it's a huge disappointment based on expectations. And yes there's a lot of pages in the thread because I and others are interested in it. Are you going to moan about that as well now?
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Post by Lord Death Man on Jan 7, 2018 10:08:00 GMT
Disappointment is an understatement. It bombed. That's all there is to it. And "General Interest" said the man after 34 pages of responses on the topic. It more than doubled its budget, for any other movie that would never be considered a bomb, it's a huge disappointment based on expectations. And yes there's a lot of pages in the thread because I and others are interested in it. Are you going to moan about that as well now?No, but, I will point out two things. 1. If this thread were measured in the millions and represented US currency, it would have made $14 million more than the movie itself. 2. Your previous post was the 666th reply to this thread. That said, I wish the DCEU nothing but good luck because, apparently, it's going to need it. Carry on, Sir.
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Jan 10, 2018 17:43:28 GMT
This whole situation is similar to the comic book business in the 1960's. In the 1950's DC owned superhero comics. They were by far the most popular. they produced numerous titles aimed at 8-10 year old kids. That was fine, I happen to love the superhero comics of that era.
But in the early 1960's Marvel suddenly surpassed them. People were shocked that Marvel superhero books could sell more than DC (just like people are shocked that Marvel movies are selling more tickets than DC).
I recently saw a documentary about comics where a guy who worked for DC at the time recalled a meeting where the boss came in and held up a Spider-Man comic and proclaimed "This book has a kid talking to his aunt for 2 pages!! How are they beating us?"
The fact is Marvel did new things. A teenager with the powers of the most revolting creature on Earth is a hero? A family with no masks, no capes, no secret identities and 1 is a hideous rock creature? A giant green rage monster is a superhero? Superheroes with mundane everyday problems? And so on. Marvel tried something different and it overtook the established and extremely popular DC superheroes. They also aimed it a different audience, tweens and early teenagers but it turned out that the books became a huge hit all the way up to college age consumers.
The same thing has happened in the movies. DC has owned superhero movies since the 1970's. In the early 2000's there were some challenges to DC supremacy in the form of X-Men and Spider-Man. Then Marvel studios tried something new with the carefully planned shared universe. They also updated their characters without "reinventing" them so long time fans wouldn't be upset. Marvel used creative marketing strategies as well. They also used that famous "Marvel Formula" which is actually the action movie formula that can be traced all the way back to "The Adventures of Robin Hood" (1938) and "Gunga Din" (1939).
No doubt, someday DC will pull ahead again but it is not that shocking that Marvel is currently in the lead regardless of how "iconic" the Justice League is.
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Post by harpospoke on Jan 25, 2018 22:32:43 GMT
This whole situation is similar to the comic book business in the 1960's. In the 1950's DC owned superhero comics. They were by far the most popular. they produced numerous titles aimed at 8-10 year old kids. That was fine, I happen to love the superhero comics of that era. But in the early 1960's Marvel suddenly surpassed them. People were shocked that Marvel superhero books could sell more than DC (just like people are shocked that Marvel movies are selling more tickets than DC). I recently saw a documentary about comics where a guy who worked for DC at the time recalled a meeting where the boss came in and held up a Spider-Man comic and proclaimed "This book has a kid talking to his aunt for 2 pages!! How are they beating us?" The fact is Marvel did new things. A teenager with the powers of the most revolting creature on Earth is a hero? A family with no masks, no capes, no secret identities and 1 is a hideous rock creature? A giant green rage monster is a superhero? Superheroes with mundane everyday problems? And so on. Marvel tried something different and it overtook the established and extremely popular DC superheroes. They also aimed it a different audience, tweens and early teenagers but it turned out that the books became a huge hit all the way up to college age consumers. The same thing has happened in the movies. DC has owned superhero movies since the 1970's. In the early 2000's there were some challenges to DC supremacy in the form of X-Men and Spider-Man. Then Marvel studios tried something new with the carefully planned shared universe. They also updated their characters without "reinventing" them so long time fans wouldn't be upset. Marvel used creative marketing strategies as well. They also used that famous "Marvel Formula" which is actually the action movie formula that can be traced all the way back to "The Adventures of Robin Hood" (1938) and "Gunga Din" (1939). No doubt, someday DC will pull ahead again but it is not that shocking that Marvel is currently in the lead regardless of how "iconic" the Justice League is. I think this box office is good news for DC fans. That's how things get changed at the studio level. They pay attention to box office. It could be worse. Star Wars fans have no idea if TLJ underperformed enough to get Disney's attention. It's going to clear 1.3 billion so Disney might actually think everything is fine and continue on course.
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