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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2017 18:33:38 GMT
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Nov 22, 2017 18:34:57 GMT
Yet Snyder's original version, most of it, tells a more rounded story than the actually released version. Snyder doesn't tell rounded stories. He slaps together action scenes with little cohesive tissue to make his glorifies video game cutscenes palpable. He's a talentless hack and always will be a talentless hack. But the author says that the original cut told a more rounded story than the actually released film, and there's no way to dismiss such a claim as you have not seen it for yourself - nobody here has. Other people involved in production, including the DP, says Snyder's original version told a better story. And on another note - "Talentless" and "hack" pretty much mean the exact same thing, one or the other is enough to classify a person.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Nov 22, 2017 18:38:03 GMT
Some of it would definitely make the film slightly better.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2017 18:38:38 GMT
Snyder doesn't tell rounded stories. He slaps together action scenes with little cohesive tissue to make his glorifies video game cutscenes palpable. He's a talentless hack and always will be a talentless hack. But the author says that the original cut told a more rounded story than the actually released film, and there's no way to dismiss such a claim as you have not seen it for yourself - nobody here has. Other people involved in production, including the DP, says Snyder's original version told a better story. And on another note - "Talentless" and "hack" pretty much mean the exact same thing, one or the other is enough to classify a person. Yes, I can. I've seen Snyder's other work and I've seen how he ruined Superman and Batman. Previous creative decisions are all I need to know that unfiltered Snyder is never how a film should be made. In fact, no film should ever be directed by Snyder. Of course they're saying he told a better story. They're being nice because his recent family tragedy. Whedon > Snyder, with no exceptions.
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Post by brownstones on Nov 22, 2017 18:40:52 GMT
Well, while I wouldn't have done evil/confused superman myself.... well.... in the movie it was pretty fun to see an unleashed superman vs the league, and if these deleted scenes are true I do like the ma and pa Kent stuff they added.
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Post by kleinreturns on Nov 22, 2017 18:41:41 GMT
But the author says that the original cut told a more rounded story than the actually released film, and there's no way to dismiss such a claim as you have not seen it for yourself - nobody here has. Other people involved in production, including the DP, says Snyder's original version told a better story. And on another note - "Talentless" and "hack" pretty much mean the exact same thing, one or the other is enough to classify a person. Yes, I can. I've seen Snyder's other work and I've seen how he ruined Superman and Batman. Previous creative decisions are all I need to know that unfiltered Snyder is never how a film should be made. In fact, no film should ever be directed by Snyder. Of course they're saying he told a better story. They're being nice because his recent family tragedy. Whedon > Snyder, with no exceptions. ^^^This.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2017 18:43:39 GMT
Well, while I wouldn't have done evil/confused superman myself.... well.... in the movie it was pretty fun to see an unleashed superman vs the league, and if these deleted scenes are true I do like the ma and pa Kent stuff they added. You know, I've overheard kids at the supermarket say they don't like Superman because he's scary (while they were looking at a display of pop cans with the Henry Cavill version on them. So yeah, I know which Superman they were talking about). Snyder's Superman scares children. Superman should not scare children. Him attacking civilians would just be another reason for kids to find him scary.
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Nov 22, 2017 18:47:09 GMT
Well, while I wouldn't have done evil/confused superman myself... You know, I've overheard kids at the supermarket say they don't like Superman because he's scary. Snyder's Superman scares children. Superman should not scare children. Him attacking civilians would just be another reason for kids to find him scary. Save Us, Scary Dark New British Superman!
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Post by justanaveragejoe on Nov 22, 2017 18:47:22 GMT
Well, while I wouldn't have done evil/confused superman myself.... well.... in the movie it was pretty fun to see an unleashed superman vs the league, and if these deleted scenes are true I do like the ma and pa Kent stuff they added. You know, I've overheard kids at the supermarket say they don't like Superman because he's scary (while they were looking at a display of pop cans with the Henry Cavill version on them. So yeah, I know which Superman they were talking about). Snyder's Superman scares children. Superman should not scare children. Him attacking civilians would just be another reason for kids to find him scary. I find it so weird that so many kids were happy to see Superman in the beginning of the movie.
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Post by brownstones on Nov 22, 2017 18:48:57 GMT
Well, while I wouldn't have done evil/confused superman myself.... well.... in the movie it was pretty fun to see an unleashed superman vs the league, and if these deleted scenes are true I do like the ma and pa Kent stuff they added. You know, I've overheard kids at the supermarket say they don't like Superman because he's scary (while they were looking at a display of pop cans with the Henry Cavill version on them. So yeah, I know which Superman they were talking about). Snyder's Superman scares children. Superman should not scare children. Him attacking civilians would just be another reason for kids to find him scary. You know they could have still trimmed the scene down, right? Again, I'm talking about the Kent stuff, not civilian angle.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2017 18:50:39 GMT
You know, I've overheard kids at the supermarket say they don't like Superman because he's scary (while they were looking at a display of pop cans with the Henry Cavill version on them. So yeah, I know which Superman they were talking about). Snyder's Superman scares children. Superman should not scare children. Him attacking civilians would just be another reason for kids to find him scary. I find it so weird that so many kids were happy to see Superman in the beginning of the movie. I know, right? The scene sounds nothing like the Superman they had in the previous two films.
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Post by brownstones on Nov 22, 2017 18:50:49 GMT
You know, I've overheard kids at the supermarket say they don't like Superman because he's scary (while they were looking at a display of pop cans with the Henry Cavill version on them. So yeah, I know which Superman they were talking about). Snyder's Superman scares children. Superman should not scare children. Him attacking civilians would just be another reason for kids to find him scary. I find it so weird that so many kids were happy to see Superman in the beginning of the movie. I'm assuming it took place after JL. But honestly the movie has like 3 introduction scenes
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2017 18:52:33 GMT
You know, I've overheard kids at the supermarket say they don't like Superman because he's scary (while they were looking at a display of pop cans with the Henry Cavill version on them. So yeah, I know which Superman they were talking about). Snyder's Superman scares children. Superman should not scare children. Him attacking civilians would just be another reason for kids to find him scary. You know they could have still trimmed the scene down, right? Again, I'm talking about the Kent stuff, not civilian angle. Snyder wouldn't have trimmed it down. He doesn't give a shit about the ACTUAL target audience Superman is intended for. All he sees is a big destructive force he can have ram through buildings and cause as much carnage as the villains. You'll never convince me that Superman saving civilians in this film wasn't something the studio MADE Snyder do or one of Whedon's additions.
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Post by justanaveragejoe on Nov 22, 2017 18:52:48 GMT
I find it so weird that so many kids were happy to see Superman in the beginning of the movie. I'm assuming it took place after JL. But honestly the movie has like 3 introduction scenes Now that I think about, I think you're on to something.
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Post by justanaveragejoe on Nov 22, 2017 18:53:50 GMT
I find it so weird that so many kids were happy to see Superman in the beginning of the movie. I know, right? The scene sounds nothing like the Superman they had in the previous two films. Towards the end, kids (girls I should say) swarmed around Wonder Woman, and that I can understand.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2017 18:53:55 GMT
I find it so weird that so many kids were happy to see Superman in the beginning of the movie. I'm assuming it took place after JL. But honestly the movie has like 3 introduction scenes It was one of their retcons to try to make everyone forget what actually happened in BvS.
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Post by justanaveragejoe on Nov 22, 2017 18:56:05 GMT
You know they could have still trimmed the scene down, right? Again, I'm talking about the Kent stuff, not civilian angle. Snyder wouldn't have trimmed it down. He doesn't give a shit about the ACTUAL target audience Superman is intended for. All he sees is a big destructive force he can have ram through buildings and cause as much carnage as the villains. You'll never convince me that Superman saving civilians in this film wasn't something the studio MADE Snyder do or one of Whedon's additions. I hate to tell you this, but the first time Superman is revived, he fights the Justice League and causes property damage.
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Post by brownstones on Nov 22, 2017 18:56:20 GMT
I'm assuming it took place after JL. But honestly the movie has like 3 introduction scenes It was one of their retcons to try to make everyone forget what actually happened in BvS. No? One was the superman phone intro, the other was a Batman story into, and then we get a Zack opening montage
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2017 18:57:50 GMT
Snyder wouldn't have trimmed it down. He doesn't give a shit about the ACTUAL target audience Superman is intended for. All he sees is a big destructive force he can have ram through buildings and cause as much carnage as the villains. You'll never convince me that Superman saving civilians in this film wasn't something the studio MADE Snyder do or one of Whedon's additions. I hate to tell you this, but the first time Superman is revived, he fights the Justice League and causes property damage. And this is how I know the upbeat Superman-y Superman who appears at the tail end of the film was a studio note or a Whedon addition.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2017 18:59:21 GMT
It was one of their retcons to try to make everyone forget what actually happened in BvS. No? One was the superman phone intro, the other was a Batman story into, and then we get a Zack opening montage Are you kidding? They did everything in their power to sweep BvS under the rug according to everyone I've talked to.
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