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Post by maya55555 on Nov 30, 2017 21:41:06 GMT
Just listen to her stats:
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Post by gadreel on Nov 30, 2017 22:22:09 GMT
Just listen to her stats: Why do you dislike Islam so much?
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Post by maya55555 on Nov 30, 2017 22:33:20 GMT
gadreel
Because of its working history and philosophy. There are facts which you cannot deny, when one has studied the Koran and the Hadith. I never set out to dislike Islam. If you read my posts I had lived in Egypt for a month, speaking to the average person. It was an eye-opener. This was back in 1987, under a different political climate.
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Post by gadreel on Nov 30, 2017 22:34:35 GMT
gadreel
Because of its working history and philosophy. There are facts which you cannot deny, when one has studied the Koran and the Hadith. I never set out to dislike Islam. If you read my posts I had lived in Egypt for a month, speaking to the average person. It was an eye-opener. I don't really study Islam, but there is a pretty large Muslim population in NZ, and I see no issues. What do you think the solution is?
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Post by maya55555 on Nov 30, 2017 22:41:22 GMT
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Post by gadreel on Nov 30, 2017 22:46:56 GMT
What do you mean 'How would you view that?" Badly. Anyone being killed is bad, but the question is not is is bad that people die, but more is there a way we can live peacefully. There is quite a strong interfaith movement in this country, people of all religions trying to work together to understand each other. Is this something you think is possible on a larger scale?
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Post by maya55555 on Nov 30, 2017 23:05:50 GMT
gadreel
I would ask that question to the Imams as they teach the laws of the Koran, not me.
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Post by goz on Dec 1, 2017 0:17:04 GMT
gadreel
I would ask that question to the Imams as they teach the laws of the Koran, not me.
IN this country we have a program for Islamic youth where, if it is considered that they are at risk of being radicalised, that they are sent to a Council of Progressive Elder Imams to learn the truth about the peaceful religion of Islam which is in the majority here where we have a sizeable Muslim population which co-exists within our multicultural society.
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Post by gadreel on Dec 1, 2017 0:22:58 GMT
gadreel
I would ask that question to the Imams as they teach the laws of the Koran, not me.
That seems like a odd response, why rail against something if you will not even consider a solution?
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Post by maya55555 on Dec 1, 2017 0:26:53 GMT
gadreel
Well I am stumped.
What would be your solution?
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Post by gadreel on Dec 1, 2017 0:45:17 GMT
gadreel
Well I am stumped.
What would be your solution? I am pretty sure I already articulated it. All fear and misunderstanding boils down to lack of communication.
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Post by maya55555 on Dec 1, 2017 1:22:22 GMT
gadreel
Oh. OK.
Isn't that kind of difficult to do while one is being shot or blown up?
BTW, I do not fear Muslims, nor demonize them.
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Post by gadreel on Dec 1, 2017 2:23:52 GMT
gadreel
Oh. OK.
Isn't that kind of difficult to do while one is being shot or blown up?
BTW, I do not fear Muslims, nor demonize them.
I am not convinced that the majority of Muslims will shoot or blow you up, in fact your response of that suggests that it is your preconceived notions that would hinder open communication, not any ill will on the part of an Islamicist.
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Post by maya55555 on Dec 1, 2017 4:26:07 GMT
gadrell
As you have pre-conceived notions about everything and everyone, then why bother to ask questions, that you have already answered in your mind.
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Post by goz on Dec 1, 2017 4:51:20 GMT
P gadrell
As you have pre-conceived notions about everything and everyone, then why bother to ask questions, that you have already answered in your mind. Pot, meet kettle, only Gadreel's position is more 'Christian' than your bigoted discriminatory one.
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Post by progressiveelement on Dec 1, 2017 10:13:32 GMT
Polish Jaffa Cakes are called Delicje.
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Post by cupcakes on Dec 1, 2017 12:37:45 GMT
tpfkar gadreel
Because of its working history and philosophy. There are facts which you cannot deny, when one has studied the Koran and the Hadith. I never set out to dislike Islam. If you read my posts I had lived in Egypt for a month, speaking to the average person. It was an eye-opener. This was back in 1987, under a different political climate. Catholicism is equally nasty. BTW, I lie according to my whims.
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Post by gawaher on Dec 1, 2017 20:35:36 GMT
She mentioned "taqiya". This word itself doesn't exist in the quran. Taqiyya is a doctrine that developed in Shi’ism. Based on this belief, Shi’ites could pretend to be Sunnis in order to avoid torture and death. In other words, if a Sunni tyrant threatened to kill a Shi’ite, that Shi’ite could claim to be a pious Sunni and thereby save his life. According to Encyclopedia Britannica "Taqiyyah, in Islam, the practice of concealing one’s belief and foregoing ordinary religious duties when under threat of death or injury. Derived from the Arabic word waqa (“to shield oneself”), taqiyyah defies easy translation. English renderings such as “precautionary dissimulation” or “prudent fear” partly convey the term’s meaning of self-protection in the face of danger to oneself or, by extension and depending upon the circumstances, to one’s fellow Muslims. Thus, taqiyyah may be used for either the protection of an individual or the protection of a community. Moreover, it is not used or even interpreted in the same way by every sect of Islam. Taqiyyah has been employed by the Shīʿites, the largest minority sect of Islam, because of their historical persecution and political defeats not only by non-Muslims but also at the hands of the majority Sunni sect. ... A ccording to scholarly and judicial consensus, it is not justified by the threat of flogging, temporary imprisonment, or other relatively tolerable punishments. The danger to the believer must be unavoidable. Also, while taqiyyah may involve disguising or suppressing one’s religious identity, it is not a license for a shallow profession of faith. Oaths taken with mental reservation, for example, are justified on the basis that God accepts what one believes inwardly. Consideration of community rather than private welfare is stressed in most cases." "Liar" Islamophobes usually tell their blind followers that the word means "to lie to non-Muslim". However, "Telling the truth" is a basic Islamic rule; “And cover not Truth with falsehood, nor conceal the Truth when ye know (what it is). (Qur’an, 2:42)” “O ye who believe! Stand out firmly For justice, as witnesses To Allah, even as against Yourselves, or your parents, Or your kin, and whether It be (against) rich or poor: For Allah can best protect both. Follow not the lusts (Of your hearts), lest ye Swerve, and if ye Distort (justice) or decline To do justice, verily Allah is well-acquainted With all that ye do. (Qur’an, 4:135)” “...Help ye one another In righteousness and piety, But help ye not one another In sin and rancour: Fear Allah: for Allah Is strict in punishment. (Qur’an, 5:2)” “O ye who believe! Stand out firmly For Allah, as witnesses To fair dealing, and let not The hatred of others To you make you swerve To wrong and depart from Justice. Be just: that is Next to Piety: and fear Allah. For Allah is well-acquainted With all that ye do. (Qur’an, 5:8)” “O you who believe, you shall reverence GOD, and be among the truthful.” (Qur’an 9:119) Kid's Corner: Telling the Truth "Whoever disbelieves in Allah after his belief… except for one who is forced [to renounce his religion] while his heart is secure in faith. But those who [willingly] open their breasts to disbelief, upon them is wrath from Allah, and for them is a great punishment." This ayah was revealed because some Muslims (Companions of Prophet Muhammad (p)) were tortured and uttered disbelief so that the persecutors stopped tormenting them. Although they uttered the words, they still believed in Islam, and merely said it so the persecution stops. Hence, the Quran states that those who had done such, there is no blame on them for what they did, and said these things when they were in a situation where it meant either to live and continually be under torture or be put to death. So, there was no sin on those who said things which were contrary to what they believed in their heart. The general rule is that a Muslim must always speak the truth even if it goes against himself, his family, or his community.
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Post by Cinemachinery on Dec 1, 2017 21:19:51 GMT
gadreel
Because of its working history and philosophy. There are facts which you cannot deny, when one has studied the Koran and the Hadith. I never set out to dislike Islam. If you read my posts I had lived in Egypt for a month, speaking to the average person. It was an eye-opener. I don't really study Islam, but there is a pretty large Muslim population in NZ, and I see no issues. 3 million+ Muslims in the US. Never heard a peep from or about them until 9/11. Now, for the purpose of drudging up the rural vote, they're all pocket terrorists. Gotta tar them all with the same brush - intelligent distinction doesn't breed fear, doesn't buy votes, doesn't keep our MIC flush with money.
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Post by progressiveelement on Dec 3, 2017 11:22:47 GMT
I don't really study Islam, but there is a pretty large Muslim population in NZ, and I see no issues. 3 million+ Muslims in the US. Never heard a peep from or about them until 9/11. Now, for the purpose of drudging up the rural vote, they're all pocket terrorists. Gotta tar them all with the same brush - intelligent distinction doesn't breed fear, doesn't buy votes, doesn't keep our MIC flush with money. Ahyuck, we'd gonna fry Sinbad's ass!
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